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Here's the link to the rayon as a wick thread. I think it's great stuff, tons of info and sources for it in the thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=561226
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Where would I find that thread? I was just at Walmart, and they do not have rayon yarn. At least, not at the extremely crappy walmarts around here. So unless there's somewhere else it might be found, I guess I'm out of luck anyway.
Andria
EDIT: nevermind, I found the thread -- now it's just a matter of knowing where to look for rayon!
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If you have a sallys near you get product # 44060 called cellucooton. It isnt cotton. It is called that for some reason. It does come in cotton or rayon.. You want the 44060 which is rayon and is a big box. sells for like 11.00 for 500 ft of it..
The Potential Perils of "Other Fibers"
Rayon, a tree-derived substance, is made from the fibers of bleached wood pulp. And these materials are often bleached with chlorine to get that bright, clean "white" look.
As you're probably aware, whenever you bleach something with chlorine, there is a possibility of creating the toxic carcinogens, dioxin and disinfection-by-products (DBP's) such as trihalomethane.
Dioxin, in the same family as Agent Orange, is a by-product of the production of paper and rayon products such as coffee filters, toilet paper, disposable diapers, and even possibly, feminine hygiene products. Dioxin can also be left behind from pesticide spraying and pollution from incinerators.
Studies show that dioxin collects in the fatty tissues of animals and humans. And published reports show that even low or trace levels of dioxins may be linked to:
~Abnormal tissue growth in the abdomen and reproductive organs
~Abnormal cell growth throughout the body
~Immune system suppression
~Hormonal and endocrine system disruption
Source: Mercola.Com
Rayon, a tree-derived substance, is made from the fibers of bleached wood pulp. And these materials are often bleached with chlorine to get that bright, clean "white" look.
As you're probably aware, whenever you bleach something with chlorine, there is a possibility of creating the toxic carcinogens, dioxin and disinfection-by-products (DBP's) such as trihalomethane.
Dioxin, in the same family as Agent Orange, is a by-product of the production of paper and rayon products such as coffee filters, toilet paper, disposable diapers, and even possibly, feminine hygiene products. Dioxin can also be left behind from pesticide spraying and pollution from incinerators.
Studies show that dioxin collects in the fatty tissues of animals and humans. And published reports show that even low or trace levels of dioxins may be linked to:
~Abnormal tissue growth in the abdomen and reproductive organs
~Abnormal cell growth throughout the body
~Immune system suppression
~Hormonal and endocrine system disruption
Source: Mercola.Com
I think this was brought to light in the rayon thread. might be best to post it there. thanks.
Most all rayon is oeko tex certified free from harmful chemicals.
From oeko
"After the brouhaha about bamboo viscose hit the press, many people did a quick scan of viscose and declared it unsafe for the environment. The reason the viscose process is thought to be detrimental to the environment is based on the process chemicals used.
Though sodium hydroxide is routinely used in the processing of organic cotton, and is approved by the Global Organic Textile Standard (GOTS), carbon disulfide can cause nervous system damage with chronic exposure.*(add - in manufacturing) And that chemical bath to harden the threads? Sulfuric acid.
But these chemicals do not remain as a residue on the fibers the proof of this is that almost all of the viscose produced can be (and often is) Oeko Tex certified (which certifies that the finished fiber has been tested for any chemicals which may be harmful to a persons health and contains no trace of these chemicals.)"
Oeko-Tex | O ECOTEXTILES
*Yes sodium hydroxide is used in processing even organic cotton. Thats caustic soda or lye. *
Yeah, actually there are, though they do seem to be getting rarer all the time. Usually the newer the store, the better it is; ennui hasn't set in yet amongst the mgmt, employees, and customers. The one nearest my house used to be the best one for 10 miles around, which comprises about a half dozen wallyworlds, but now it's got to be one of the worst. Maybe it's just a change in management.
But we still buy the majority of our groceries there, just because on those items, we save a lot of money. But we've started buying probably about 33% of our groceries at two other stores near us, an Ingles and a Kroger. It's great to live 2.5 miles from any of them. We used to live out in the real boonies, so living smack in the city of Lawrenceville is nice.
Andria
Ok I get that there are none of these chemicals *on* the rayon... but what about the problem of partial combustion, as in the case of a dry hit? Sure we all try our hardest to avoid them, they taste like.. well you know, that brown stuff. But they do still sometimes happen, despite best efforts -- so what about the safety of it then? As we've all learned, tobacco isn't that dangerous... till you set it on fire and breathe the smoke!
Andria
to be honest I haven't had one with cotton or rayon. lol. can't answer. I always have a wet wick.
The problem with this is that Mercola is not a reliable source of scientifically accurate information. "Dioxin" is a family of different chemicals, not one single thing (although to be fair a lot of them are pretty nasty.) Dioxin wasn't even an intentional component of Agent Orange: it was a contaminant introduced during the manufacturing of 2,4,5-T , one of the ingredients in Agent Orange. Dioxin pollution in the US has decreased drastically since the 1980's, by about 90%. That's not to say that there might not still be some rather nasty chemicals leftover in the processing of fabrics (there probably is to some extent), but dioxins aren't really one of them. The US has pretty strict laws and regulations against most dioxin-producing processes these days; I was fairly young at the time, but I remember decreasing dioxin pollution was a pretty big deal back in the 80's.
...aaaand I completely lost track of where I was going with that. Dammit!
Then you'd be partially combusting some cellulose. Not really any different than cotton or the paper tubes that used to surround your tobacco.
How many different ways do we need to wick our juice folks? I've been at this hobby/habit for awhile now and think I have seen every way possible to wick e-liquid. Then suddenly, a new method/material crops up. While I recognize that some materials are preferred to others depending on who you ask, is there really any one material that is head and shoulders above the others? Are there any real true game changers? If there is, I haven't found it. For now, I am staying with silica and cotton. Europeans have been using silica for 10 years and there have been no mass human kills. Cotton hasn't been a widely used material for long but I do feel safe using cotton...a very natural product. I'm sure others are safe too, but I see no reason to venture beyond what I feel comfortable with. At least not until there is some ground breaking new wicking method that takes the vape world by storm. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.
Everyone has their own preference. I like Cellucotton 100% Rayon, and too me it is ground breaking. I have been vaping with for over a week now. I can change flavor without changing wick while getting 100% of the new flavor within 5 - 10 draws. Yet to have a dry hit. The flavor is amazing, and it lasts a long time. Especially in my Kayfuns.
For me with this setup, I'm in vape heaven
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Posts like these are why I'm interested in trying the rayon/cellucotton. I agree that organic cotton is head and shoulders above anything else I've tried so far, but "so far" are the operative words. I'm still a newbie to all this vaping business, so naturally I want to try anything that seems promising.
And even though I do like the organic cotton, very much, there are times when I just can't seem to get rid of the cotton taste -- not burnt taste, *cotton* taste. It's not really a bad taste, but it's definitely not the taste of ejuice. Not sure why that happens sometimes, but [most] other times all I taste is the vape. I recognize the taste of a dry hit right off the bat, it's nasty, and tells me I've probably got too much cotton in there, but I can't seem to find the cause of why sometimes that cotton taste just won't leave, even in a wick I've been using for hours.
Andria
Oh I had forgotten about you using silica. That is why you have issues wicking above 7 watts without burning. Silica does not wick as well as cotton
Well... I have a nice Mutant 26650 mod sitting here. The kayfun 26650 is a bit large, very. I got a kayfat kit in yesterday. So simple, 3 pieces, oem base screws in, tank and top cap. Original chimney & top, needed a kayfun style drip tip. Ohhhh, this has been great for 2 days non stop & still going, refill scheduled for tonight.
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