Kayfun LITE

[mgmrick]

Just finished complete tear down and cleaning including taking center pin out and assuring that the center pin hole lines up with the air hole. Replaced all the orings new coil and new wick.

Had to turn down the wattage on dna30 to 12 watts as a hint of burning at my normal working wattage of 15 watts with my other kayfuns. So far at 12 watts it is working.... will report back if this did indeed fix or not.....

 

[mgmrick]

Two ways to check it.... insert something smaller than air hole (paper clip) measure it by holding your finger on paper clip then take out and line it up on bottom.... I also can shine a flashlight down thru the top of air tube and look thru the air hole and see in there..

I have no way of knowing, or seeing inside that small a hole, so I turned on the water just barely, and held just the edge of the base, where the airhole is, under the trickling water, and water does flow out of the center hole when I do that.

Andria

 

[Bimini Twist]

How many different ways do we need to wick our juice folks? I've been at this hobby/habit for awhile now and think I have seen every way possible to wick e-liquid. Then suddenly, a new method/material crops up. While I recognize that some materials are preferred to others depending on who you ask, is there really any one material that is head and shoulders above the others? Are there any real true game changers? If there is, I haven't found it. For now, I am staying with silica and cotton. Europeans have been using silica for 10 years and there have been no mass human kills. Cotton hasn't been a widely used material for long but I do feel safe using cotton...a very natural product. I'm sure others are safe too, but I see no reason to venture beyond what I feel comfortable with. At least not until there is some ground breaking new wicking method that takes the vape world by storm. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.

Speaking for myself (who else?), I have only vaped wicks of SS mesh*, silica, organic cotton, KGD cotton, and whatever it is they put in those cig-a-like cartos. Of the those, I like SS Mesh* and the cottons best for flavor. I never liked the taste of silica wicks, though you can't beat them for durabilty - well, SS cable probably would. To me, cotton was a game changer.

I really like KGD over drug store cotton if only for its lack of a (brief) break in period, but mostly for its convenience in consistency.

However, I have bookmarked, though not purchased, the Sally's rayon stuff. I feel it will be as convenient (or better) in wicking coils, and possibly longer lasting than cotton.

One thing I do know is that I am enjoying a variety of coils on a variety of attys on a variety of devices (not 33Hz) at a variety of wattages. I am also enjoying the search for the least flavored wick in combination with the most convenience in wicking - plus durability.

I think I'm going to try some of this rayon "CelluCotton". Should I wait until my 59 pads of KGD are gone? Nah, these ECF folks will likely come up with something even better before that happens. I'm enjoying the journey.

Is this latest wicking material ground breaking? Probably not for me. But I am enjoying the road that the ECF pioneers are blazing for the rest of us.

* I never tried SS mesh in a Kayfun
I skipped over ceramic and hemp because I see only inconvenience in preparation for vaping.

 

[AndriaD]

I just noticed the size of the airhole on that and it seems tiny by comparison to those I have. Other than drilling out the hole to a larger diameter I can offer just 1 suggestion and it may not apply to that model clone.

The center pin, the part that's the center of the 510 connector and who's other end holds the positive deck in place. It has the hole in the center up at the deck. It is solid at the bottom, where it's the center pin of the 510 connector. The way air gets into the center hole is a hole that goes outward, that should line up with the airhole in the base. If it doesn't line up airflow will suffer. Use something that will fit into the base airhole like a bent paper clip. What you're going to try is pushing on the paper clip while you make the center post turn, looking to see if you can find an orientation that indicates you've gotten the airhole in the base lined up with the outward hole in the center pin. Depending on design, this will help you get things lined up or it will fail and make the positive block become loose.

Sorry best I can offer for help.

Ok, I did this; it did loosen the block, but I knew it would, from my experiments in trying to extend the center post a bit like the other 2 let me do with no problem. I used a needle actually, a really large one I keep here to separate wraps if they get wonky. I put it in the air hole, loosened the center post just a smidge, and I think I did feel a slight "give" in the needle. with the needle still in there, I repositioned the block back to where it should be, and held it, while I tightened the center post again, but not forcing it tight, *just* tight enough to hold the block in place. Then I went ahead and set it up with a wick and filled it, and it's hard to say but it may be just a tad looser; there seems to be *some* airflow, though still not a lot.

You're right though, that airhole is a lot smaller than the one in my 2 "2mm custom airflow" clones. so the only real fix may be to drill it, but I don't have the first clue where to even start with soemthing like that. someone pointed me at a video, but I think I've made my feelings known about videos, what a huge hassle it is to close EVERYTHING else except the video's tab in chrome -- all other apps, all other tabs -- just to get enough memory free to see the video and have it not be so screwed up by the lack of video ram that it's impossible to watch. Pics would be a great deal more helpful, but still pics seem to have gone the way of MS-DOS.

Andria

 

[sedge]

Bimini. Great post.

 

[Yotdawglife]

I forgot to take pictures, I rebuilt my Russian ONCE again, with the same taste, not a lot of cotton, different e juice. Still horrible taste.

I am sending it back to VaporDNA, ordered $31.02 Kayfun Lite Plus V2 Style Rebuildable Atomizer (4.5ml) - stainless steel at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping .

 

[Taylor]

I forgot to take pictures, I rebuilt my Russian ONCE again, with the same taste, not a lot of cotton, different e juice. Still horrible taste.

I am sending it back to VaporDNA, ordered $31.02 Kayfun Lite Plus V2 Style Rebuildable Atomizer (4.5ml) - stainless steel at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping .

I had one of those and just sold it to a friend and ordered another. I was very happy with it. Threads are just as good as my authentic russian 91%.

 

[Yotdawglife]

I had one of those and just sold it to a friend and ordered another. I was very happy with it. Threads are just as good as my authentic russian 91%.

Looks to be good, kinda excited, I just was at my wits end with this Russian, I did EVERYTHING to it, different builds, different watts, silica wick, cotton wick, different juice, different device, just could not stand the chemically taste it was making, I washed it multiple times, soaked it, water and alcohol. I still cannot figure out what was up. When I was cleaning it to mail back to Vapordna I completely disassembled it and dry sucked the mod after being clean and I still can taste whatever is in there....

Hope

 

[Yotdawglife]

Also, for my new kayfun clone, where can I get that tank piece on the right, will it work on my clone?

Picture stolen from the Coil Build forum from AndriaD

 

[Taylor]

Looks to be just a full clear m tank section. FastTech sells them too. I got one but didn't use it and threw it in for my friend. They'll work on any clone.

 

[regal55]

Cotton is much easier to work with as well... For a 5/64 coil I'd use 1mm silica doubled over.

Thanks for the recommendation. I personally don't see how a ball of cotton is easiest for a first build, so many opportunity for error. I just don'y have the time for practice. Now I've got to find a good set of tweezers or would electricians pliers work?

Also my tank is a Tobeco Kayfun Lite PLUS , I take it the fill hole is the Phillips on the bottom?

 

[ricks]

I thought most cotton users make their coils small in diameter??? His coil looks huge. I think he needs a longer coil that has a smaller diameter.

I'd agree, looks decently moist. The only suggestion I could offer, try a lower gauge wire (thicker) with more wraps so that you'll distribute the heat over a larger area. Alternatively same gauge but smaller diameter and more wraps.

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[vapdivrr]

Same build on 3 kayfuns (just did them tonite) works great on two of them at 15 watts on dna30. I lowered the watts down to 10 on this one but as soon as the juice from setup is used up it burns... does not wick.

Just changed the chimmney and tank to my clear full size tank.... still does not wick.

Going to tear down center pin and all and recoil and rewick it .......... again

i agree on the earlier post about getting more wraps on your coils. what is that like 4 wraps? no good my friend i would double that. a micro coil should have at least 8 wraps minimum and 10 wraps being optimal. im not surprised of you getting dry hits with that coil, there is just not enough coils there. as for the other set ups that are working, just lucky my guess. also a diameter of about 2mm is optimal

 

[vapdivrr]

For me your coil is way too high above the air hole... but I am only batting 67% two working great and one not....lol
I have mine stipped down... I dont see any issues putting it back together... glad I have lots of juice

something looks wrong in the airhole andria, like something is missing. this wouldn't prevent airflow but it could inhibit proper airflow direction. have you tried to see if there is any obstruction in the afc? i have heard in some clones of shards being in this airflow channel. as for your coil? i would lower it for sure and if your using cotton try to keep them all touching. i believe a cotton set up should be a proper micro coil where all wraps are touching, if using a spaced coil, it works better with silica

 

[TheKiwi]

Lol the only thing I think looks weird are

1) the coil sits reaaaaal high
2) pretty sure the centre post isn't tightened properly which might explain the poor air flow. I mean look at the 3rd picture. The centre post is suppose to come up to being approximately flush with the positive block, no?


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[vapdivrr]

Lol the only thing I think looks weird are

1) the coil sits reaaaaal high
2) pretty sure the centre post isn't tightened properly which might explain the poor air flow. I mean look at the 3rd picture. The centre post is suppose to come up to being approximately flush with the positive block, no?

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yes that's why i said it looks like something is missing. there must be a threaded top that takes up that gap from the center pin, it looks like hers is missing. it wouldn't reduce the airflow though and i guess she has stuck a pin in the afc and nothings obstructed. maybe the hole on top is smaller then most, or maybe the hole in the 510 pin is smaller, either will make the draw very tight

 

[TheKiwi]

yes that's why i said it looks like something is missing. there must be a threaded top that takes up that gap from the center pin, it looks like hers is missing. it wouldn't reduce the airflow though and i guess she has stuck a pin in the afc and nothings obstructed. maybe the hole on top is smaller then most, or maybe the hole in the 510 pin is smaller, either will make the draw very tight

I was thinking more along the lines of if the centre post isn't screw on tight enough, the airholes on it might just be squished against the sides in the atty

No clue though


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[vapdivrr]

I was thinking more along the lines of if the centre post isn't screw on tight enough, the airholes on it might just be squished against the sides in the atty

No clue though


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that would do it for sure but i think she said she was able to insert a needle thru the airhole all the way.

 

[vapdivrr]

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This does not look dry to me. I took it off upside down so no juice could flow into the coil

im not saying a 5 wrap cannot work at all in the kayfun but much more wick coverage would work a lot better and more consistent.

 

[Bronze]

Speaking for myself (who else?), I have only vaped wicks of SS mesh*, silica, organic cotton, KGD cotton, and whatever it is they put in those cig-a-like cartos. Of the those, I like SS Mesh* and the cottons best for flavor. I never liked the taste of silica wicks, though you can't beat them for durabilty - well, SS cable probably would. To me, cotton was a game changer.

I really like KGD over drug store cotton if only for its lack of a (brief) break in period, but mostly for its convenience in consistency.

However, I have bookmarked, though not purchased, the Sally's rayon stuff. I feel it will be as convenient (or better) in wicking coils, and possibly longer lasting than cotton.

One thing I do know is that I am enjoying a variety of coils on a variety of attys on a variety of devices (not 33Hz) at a variety of wattages. I am also enjoying the search for the least flavored wick in combination with the most convenience in wicking - plus durability.

I think I'm going to try some of this rayon "CelluCotton". Should I wait until my 59 pads of KGD are gone? Nah, these ECF folks will likely come up with something even better before that happens. I'm enjoying the journey.

Is this latest wicking material ground breaking? Probably not for me. But I am enjoying the road that the ECF pioneers are blazing for the rest of us.

* I never tried SS mesh in a Kayfun
I skipped over ceramic and hemp because I see only inconvenience in preparation for vaping.

Silica definitely imparts an off flavor but it goes away after a couple/few mls. Also, torching the silica before assembly helps a lot.