Kayfun/Russian wick setup that works great for me.

[LReyes66]

Wait I thought that one end of each side meets in the middle and goes across to the other side. How is that both ends are on the same side for you. Also that is alot more cotton than Im using for sure

heres trumans method

Here's my latest wicking method, pretty much self explanatory.
1.5mm 12 wrap 28g a Nichrome…1.3ohm, The Nichrome has a little less resistance than Kanthal, requiring 12 wraps vs 8 with Kanthal to reach the same 1.2-1.3 rating, I wanted a little more coil surface area, we'll see how it performs when fully broken in…so far so good though.

The only difference is that the coil is diagonal instead of parallel/horizontal. 1 end is folded like above and the other end is looped with that 1 strand covering the entire top coil. Unless your doing trumans previous method (Looped on each side and tucking the end strand between the screws and coil). I guess sunnatas picture didnt show but im pretty sure its the same concept as mine as I used his idea lol. This is my go-to wick method. If my coil happens to be extra long (10+ wraps) then I might use his previous wick method with each strands covering the top coil and tucked between the coil and screws.

yeah i used less cotton but my juice makes my cotton blow up.

 

[BobC]

Turn that coil vertical, directly over the center hole, then wrap it in hemp fiber, I challenge you to find a better, more tasteful vape

 

[LReyes66]

The vertical coil was the first coil i slapped on my R91 when I got it. Yeah taste was great but it was a pain to wick right. The VP wasnt as great and got gurgle. I tried many times to fix it til I scrapped it for this.

 

[TruSound]

Turn that coil vertical, directly over the center hole, then wrap it in hemp fiber, I challenge you to find a better, more tasteful vape

I've tried the vertical build, the throat hit was not nearly what I get with my wick-over method, and the vertical didn't produce nearly as much vapor either. I believe this has to do with the coil/wick being directly in the air flow path vs passing thru an open coil.

I've changed the top wick method slightly, instead of looping one of the wick tail back up and over the coil, now I use a single wick with the tails resting on their respective decks, then I take a separate flat piece of cotton and just lay it over the top of the coil.

Here's the first part of the build, it'll look like this on both sides. Once done use the flat piece of cotton just slightly less wide than the inside of the screw heads, wet the cotton and lay it across the top of the coil and tuck the ends into the loops on the deck, gently install the chimney tube then adjust the top wick as necessary, when you screw down the chimney tube it'll snug the over wick down across the coil, done properly it will not move.

But like I always say, stick with what works for you, having said that...I challenge you to try my method.

 

[fjgotgame24]

how is that I missed these pics? like the one where he puts the top wick over the coil, I swear I went through this thread more than 5 times and never seen that pic...

 

[TruSound]

how is that I missed these pics? like the one where he puts the top wick over the coil, I swear I went through this thread more than 5 times and never seen that pic...

LOL...I haven't posted pics of my new wick-over method yet, the pick above is the first step... Check back tomorrow, I'll rebuild and post the pics.

 

[LReyes66]

how is that I missed these pics? like the one where he puts the top wick over the coil, I swear I went through this thread more than 5 times and never seen that pic...

Pic I quoted was from another thread lol

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[LReyes66]

I've tried the vertical build, the throat hit was not nearly what I get with my wick-over method, and the vertical didn't produce nearly as much vapor either. I believe this has to do with the coil/wick being directly in the air flow path vs passing thru an open coil.

I've changed the top wick method slightly, instead of looping one of the wick tail back up and over the coil, now I use a single wick with the tails resting on their respective decks, then I take a separate flat piece of cotton and just lay it over the top of the coil.

Here's the first part of the build, it'll look like this on both sides. Once done use the flat piece of cotton just slightly less wide than the inside of the screw heads, wet the cotton and lay it across the top of the coil and tuck the ends into the loops on the deck, gently install the chimney tube then adjust the top wick as necessary, when you screw down the chimney tube it'll snug the over wick down across the coil, done properly it will not move.

But like I always say, stick with what works for you, having said that...I challenge you to try my method.

reason for modifying it again?

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[BobC]

I've tried the vertical build, the throat hit was not nearly what I get with my wick-over method, and the vertical didn't produce nearly as much vapor either. I believe this has to do with the coil/wick being directly in the air flow path vs passing thru an open coil.

I've changed the top wick method slightly, instead of looping one of the wick tail back up and over the coil, now I use a single wick with the tails resting on their respective decks, then I take a separate flat piece of cotton and just lay it over the top of the coil.

Here's the first part of the build, it'll look like this on both sides. Once done use the flat piece of cotton just slightly less wide than the inside of the screw heads, wet the cotton and lay it across the top of the coil and tuck the ends into the loops on the deck, gently install the chimney tube then adjust the top wick as necessary, when you screw down the chimney tube it'll snug the over wick down across the coil, done properly it will not move

But like I always say, stick with what works for you, having said that...I challenge you to try my method.

Not understanding you, with this method, the air flow through the coil should be the best, as nothing should be in the coil, you also need to use hemp fiber, not cotton or silica, the hemp fiber should be wrapped around the coil

 

[fjgotgame24]

I give up...Im putting this up on the classified. I tried for 2 whole days!!! Like literally 12+ hours!!! My contacts are dry, my back hurts, efff thiss man. Im also going to put up the nano-kit, be on the lookout if you guys want it, Im sure it'll sell out pretty quick.

 

[TruSound]

@BobC...So what your telling me is a hollow coil should out perform a coil with an internal wick that has air flowing across it surface, can you tell us why you think this ? And just curious, have you tried a standard cotton build with an additional top wick over the coil like I described ?

Many have tried verticals in the Kayfun, and from what I've read, most if not all of them prefer the horizontal method...but hey, if your vertical does it for you that's fantastic.

Edit: thanks for the suggestion, I'll stick with cotton wicks.

 

[LReyes66]

I give up...Im putting this up on the classified. I tried for 2 whole days!!! Like literally 12+ hours!!! My contacts are dry, my back hurts, efff thiss man. Im also going to put up the nano-kit, be on the lookout if you guys want it, Im sure it'll sell out pretty quick.

Pm bout the nano kit might b interested

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[TruSound]

Here's the complete build, and my Pepsi challenge to a vertical coil build, for me this build destroyed the vertical carto style, HI BOB. The top wick should be good and wet when laying it over the coil, when you install the chimney tube it'll snug the top wick down over the coil…I have yet to have any wicking material out of place. Break in takes a bit, it'll perform really well after about a 1/4 tank.
1.5mm diameter coil, 8-9 wraps , 28ga Kanthal A1…measures 1.2-1.3ohms

TOP OVER-WICK

 

[LReyes66]

whats the difference in performance between this and the last one?

 

[TruSound]

Although my last wick-over method using a single piece of cotton worked extremely well, air flow was inconsistent, never a problem…but sometimes creating a slightly tighter draw, the other minor issue was the top wick would swell slightly and work its way off the top of the coil.

I've found a couple advantages with this new 2 piece build, air flow is always consistent and the top wick never budges from the top of the coil, staying well in place thru 3 tankfuls.

Overall I feel like the 2 piece method has better vapor production due to better air flow and flavor is about the same.

whats the difference in performance between this and the last one?

 

[sandt38]

So weird...so after like 500 unsuccessful builds even after following Truman method, and everyone elses tips I decided to give it up. It never failed to give dry/burnt hits after about 7-10 puffs into a new build. Then I decided to try something out and I made that same exact build on my Kayfun 3.1 clone, and its amazing...Obviously Im happy that I finally got it to work but at the same time its like, I paid 93 dollars for my authentic Russian 91 and it dont work. Also the main reason I got the Russian 91 is because of its form factor plus I even bought the nano-kit for it so it could be even smaller. Why is it working on my Kayfun 3.1 and not on my Russian 91?

I have an R91 and build it exactly like sunnata does below. I run mine at 1.7 ohms and snug up the air bleed screw a bit. I set the screw flush with the base, then turn it in full turn. I chain vape it pretty heavily with no issues. I am on tank #7 without a rewick, and no burn. Without a doubt it is better than my other devices; both vacuum fed and drippers... still trying to figure out how my drippers don't taste as good as my Russian, as I know they should, but at this juncture the Russian has a sweeter and more complex flavor offering than my drips.

my current coil and wick, please excuse the left over juice stains on the brand new wick..
(it looked clean ..ish.. until I added the new wick...)

 

[fjgotgame24]

Are you guys using mechanical mods or vv/vw?
edit: I currently have it on a mech mod and am wondering maybe this is the reason I'm not getting same results as everyone else. Its clear to me that even with Trumans build, that my wicks cannot wick fast enough. In his latest post I was kinda shocked to see how much cotton there was. If I ever use that much cotton it will be no time before I get dry/burnt hits. The only time I get even the slightest positive results is when I use like 1/4th of the cotton everyone else around here seems to be using. Even though my ohms is constant @ 1.1, maybe there are some other factors involved like voltage or wattage . Yea I know I said I was going to sell this but Im waiting to borrow a better camera so until then, I guess Ill keep trying. I think I need to go super high ohms, at least much more than Im used to.
edit #2: Oh nvm, some people got mechs...(sighh I was hoping that was the reason)

 

[LReyes66]

I use a provari as well. I've only been using a mech to subohm my twisted 28. I'll be bringing back my provari after this week. Even while using the provari I had 0 troubles.

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[TruSound]

I use the JD Tech Stingray mechanical. It's really tough to judge the quantity of cotton being used when you look at photos, just make sure when you install the thru the coil wick that it's pretty loose when you gently pull it side to side...it needs to have very light resistance, when fully broken in it'll swell quite a bit, and just a little bit to much cotton and it'll get choked off.

I'm using 100% VG Bobas Bounty, it's very thick...it wicks perfectly in the build i posted...stick with it, you'll get it.

Are you guys using mechanical mods or vv/vw?
edit: I currently have it on a mech mod and am wondering maybe this is the reason I'm not getting same results as everyone else. Its clear to me that even with Trumans build, that my wicks cannot wick fast enough. In his latest post I was kinda shocked to see how much cotton there was. If I ever use that much cotton it will be no time before I get dry/burnt hits. The only time I get even the slightest positive results is when I use like 1/4th of the cotton everyone else around here seems to be using. Even though my ohms is constant @ 1.1, maybe there are some other factors involved like voltage or wattage . Yea I know I said I was going to sell this but Im waiting to borrow a better camera so until then, I guess Ill keep trying. I think I need to go super high ohms, at least much more than Im used to.
edit #2: Oh nvm, some people got mechs...(sighh I was hoping that was the reason)

 

[dice57]

I have found that the Russian wicks and vapes great with most builds, the Vapegod knows I must of built it 100 different ways since I first bought it. My latest build is using the Mundy Magic wire with a dual series vertical micro coil build wrapped with hemp fiber wick vaping it at 20 watts. Fraking Awesome vape. Came out to 1.3 ohms, just when I thought it couldn't get any better, it did.

Congrats on finding a great build on your Russian. I've found that vertical builds work best for me, and dual series verticals work even better, especially with a hemp fiber wick.