Is this - which I'd be interested in getting if it holds up under reviews:
The Curve - YouTube
a knock off of this?
Mod themis - Titanide
The Curve - YouTube
a knock off of this?
Mod themis - Titanide
Knock off rant
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In my opinion, there is a market for lower priced PVs. The economy is horrible and vapers should have access to affordable gear to tinker with. My objection is to the blatant rip off of modders like Zen and Imeo by using their images, name, comparisons and offering a cheaply made replica of the items that they create.
I will not buy a knock off because I know that if they break, the money that I've spent is worth $0. If one of my genuine pvs breaks, I can have it repaired by one of the good ECF vendors here.
There is making a similar model with similar features and selling it, and their are cheap copiers who intentionally ride the coattails of someone else's good reputation.
I will not buy a knock off because I know that if they break, the money that I've spent is worth $0. If one of my genuine pvs breaks, I can have it repaired by one of the good ECF vendors here.
There is making a similar model with similar features and selling it, and their are cheap copiers who intentionally ride the coattails of someone else's good reputation.
My 2 cents......
Unfortunately, the OP is quite vague as to what particular products he has issue with. If he were to list particular products that he feels are knockoffs, then perhaps we could discuss each and maybe able to make some reasonable conclusion.
When I started vaping about 4 months ago, I had no clue as to the history of the e-cig and who first developed what device.
I just wanted to quit smoking and thought vaping may work (it did).
Obviously, as a new vaper I looked for a good device at a reasonable price. I was not interested in researching the history of each device and who may have a claim to the intellectual property (IP) rights of each device.
Although I have much more knowledge now as to the history of the e-cig, I still find that it would be difficult to identify the IP of each device. As a consumer, it isn't really my job to do that anyway. If a product is legally available to me, then I have to assume the IP issues have been addressed. If for example, Zen believes (he doesn't) that he owns the IP for rebuildable Genesis atomizers (he doesn't), then he would be responsible to protecting that IP. It isn't my responsibility to do that for him.
I know that isn't completely effective, however, it isn't possible for consumers to sort out all the potential IP rights of everything they buy.
Unless a product is being sold as a say, Provari, when it is in fact clearly not a Provari, I don't think this is an issue for which consumers should be blamed. Thus, IMO criticizing people for buying say an AGA-T as immoral or otherwise wrong somehow is wrong headed.
Unfortunately, the OP is quite vague as to what particular products he has issue with. If he were to list particular products that he feels are knockoffs, then perhaps we could discuss each and maybe able to make some reasonable conclusion.
When I started vaping about 4 months ago, I had no clue as to the history of the e-cig and who first developed what device.
I just wanted to quit smoking and thought vaping may work (it did).
Obviously, as a new vaper I looked for a good device at a reasonable price. I was not interested in researching the history of each device and who may have a claim to the intellectual property (IP) rights of each device.
Although I have much more knowledge now as to the history of the e-cig, I still find that it would be difficult to identify the IP of each device. As a consumer, it isn't really my job to do that anyway. If a product is legally available to me, then I have to assume the IP issues have been addressed. If for example, Zen believes (he doesn't) that he owns the IP for rebuildable Genesis atomizers (he doesn't), then he would be responsible to protecting that IP. It isn't my responsibility to do that for him.
I know that isn't completely effective, however, it isn't possible for consumers to sort out all the potential IP rights of everything they buy.
Unless a product is being sold as a say, Provari, when it is in fact clearly not a Provari, I don't think this is an issue for which consumers should be blamed. Thus, IMO criticizing people for buying say an AGA-T as immoral or otherwise wrong somehow is wrong headed.
Well, now that you mention Herd, perhaps you would like to learn a little bit more about that Human Condition.
Amazon Link - Herd: How to Change Mass Behaviour
Not to say that I support knock-off scam artists, but my first PV purchases were from the only brick and mortar location near me, and the three of them were all knock-offs. I didn't know this of course, because they look so very much the same as the originals and the salesmen weren't talking very much as their job is to listen. I find that I am very pleased thus far with my PVs, cheap chinese copies that they are. I will of course be buying better and better as time goes on, and as my budget allows because I am yet another young long time smoker making less than $200 a week who couldn't afford to smoke in the first place let alone quit with vaping as I have.
I am a newbie and basically took advice from a user on this site. I am not exactly sure if I will keep using or quit it all. I rather learn what I need to by using something cheaper. Are there non-knock offs that you can spend 100.00 or less on?...Not look alike's either. what ecig is the spinner a knock off?
there is another thread real similar to this one floating around today also
when supply can't meet demand,somebody else will step in and make the money,,simple economics
why do you think there are so many illegals in the states ?? they will fill the work void legal americans won't
when supply can't meet demand,somebody else will step in and make the money,,simple economics
why do you think there are so many illegals in the states ?? they will fill the work void legal americans won't
Of course, people who can't afford to put food on the table for whatever reason, should forget they have a tobacco addiction, and if they cannot afford to Vape they should just go back to Smoking tobacco or Just Give Up Smoking. The words Quit or Die spring to mind.
After all, we all know how easy it is to stop smoking right? A little bit of empathy would really go a long way for those who cannot afford to smoke and can hardly afford to vape but they are Trying to maintain a Family, Finances and their Health. Often they do not start vaping because they're being selfish but because they're trying to make a positive change both for themselves and their Family.
Considering how many of us probably started with a little e-cig designed to look exactly like a cigarette, is it any surprise there's a market for mods that look like other popular mods?
I huge part of the popularity of vaping is that it's a very good simulation of something that it's not. Apparently a lot of people have figured out that imitation sells. Big shocker there.
I huge part of the popularity of vaping is that it's a very good simulation of something that it's not. Apparently a lot of people have figured out that imitation sells. Big shocker there.
You just said it yourself that the $100 product isnt the same as the $20 product... so the person producing the $100 product should have nothing to worry about. Also illegal aliens are not making them, if they were, they would also be labled as "made in america". The people who mass produce are the chinese in their native country and are not illegal aliens.
heres that other thread,,is has a lot of the same silly comments in it too
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-who-sell-obvious-knock-offs-i-e-hybrids.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-who-sell-obvious-knock-offs-i-e-hybrids.html
Some knockoffs are so good, they look as if nothing can go wrong, I know not everybody can afford the best of everything I know I can't. But cheap bread or cloths won't hurt you, a dangerous battery can? The best of this stuff anyway, I just wanted to quit smoking not end up I injured
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