Ok All You Original Maker Type People... Knock It Off...!!!
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Morality is nothing more than a barrier. I do what benefits me, and I gladly support the makers of clones for providing something nice at such a low price. If I were to create something, which I don't see myself doing, I'd be happy to sell it at a fair price. I see where people like me are coming from, and I'd be glad to help them out too.
It doesn't take much of a brain from today's standard knowledge to improve upon a tube of metal with a switch. If a creator honestly believes a tiny improvement is worth doubling the price, they should deflate their ego.
Feel free to call me Lucifer for not supporting swindling.
I generally don't get involved in these type of threads, for the most part it is hopeless trying to change someone's emotional, rather than rational, opinion. However, there are a couple of things in this post that seriously disturb me.
" Morality is nothing more than a barrier"
I think my issue with this should be self explanatory, look out for #1 and the hell with how it effects those around me is rationalization for many atrocities. I will leave historical examples out but I'm sure you can think of many.
" Feel free to call me Lucifer for not supporting swindling."
Swindling is a criminal act where you take something that is not rightly yours. When a seller creates something and sells it for market value, whether you think it is fair or not, that is enterprise, not swindling. When someone sells a clone of said product as a clone, that is capitalism, not swindling. When someone tries to sell a clone as the real thing, that is swindling.
Off my soap box now.
Saw this thread when it started and didn't want to chime in......but op has a tendency to start threads that get people riled up. THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON OP.
I believe if my memory is correct, I have come across 2 previous threads by op that are "confrontational".
Op is entitled to his view and I may disagree or agree with him. It just doesn't matter to me. BUT it does matter to me when the post gets people riled up.
Edit: so I checked some of the posts by op and found that not all his threads are " confrontational ". My apologies if I've offended him. It so happened that I had only seen those threads by op.
I believe if my memory is correct, I have come across 2 previous threads by op that are "confrontational".
Op is entitled to his view and I may disagree or agree with him. It just doesn't matter to me. BUT it does matter to me when the post gets people riled up.
Edit: so I checked some of the posts by op and found that not all his threads are " confrontational ". My apologies if I've offended him. It so happened that I had only seen those threads by op.
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tj99959, unless you've got a million bucks worth of CNC machines and a free month to do the milling, don't even bother. If you look at what you made under a microscope, you'll see its just junk. You do look at all your stuff under a microscope, right? You should....it makes things work better.
It could be any of those, and so long as you aren't making it for anything other than personal use it is both perfectly legal and acceptable.
Maurice
$30k would get it done 16" x 40" CNC Lathe With 6 Positions Toolpost & 2 3/8" Bore - CNC Lathes & CNC Milling Machines, CNC Machine Center at Bolton Hardware
Use your spare cash to buy stock, a class or two in cnc theory, lots of rum to ease the pain of mistakes, etc.
Maurice
$20K
What's sad is a laser welder for me is $30K. I think I could have more fun with the CNC (not so sure about making more money, but it would be different money which a laser wouldn't really bring in).
This thread is nothing more than "Catfish Troll Bait" and we all swallowed it Hook, Line and of course.....Sinker
a doppleganger! an imitator! a long-lost evil twin! (check for mustache/goatee)
or maybe you went back in time and recreated the events to end up in the present with 2 of the same item! a paradox!
Clones vs. Authentics? For Mech Mods, it is stupid.
There isn't a notable performance difference between a 25 dollar copper tube made in China, and 300 dollar copper tube made in the US.
If there was, people would be avoiding clones like the plague.
For the RDA's and RBA's - there are sometimes noticeable performance differences. And oddly though, I generally find these authentic RDAs/RBAs etc to be way more reasonable in price.
There isn't a notable performance difference between a 25 dollar copper tube made in China, and 300 dollar copper tube made in the US.
If there was, people would be avoiding clones like the plague.
For the RDA's and RBA's - there are sometimes noticeable performance differences. And oddly though, I generally find these authentic RDAs/RBAs etc to be way more reasonable in price.
Well guess what, I made my own a looooooooooooong time ago!
Cost $2.20 to make and it still works just fine.
Somebody even liked the idea
But they only wanted $134.95 for it
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Well guess what, I made my own a looooooooooooong time ago!
Cost $2.20 to make and it still works just fine.
i'll probably never buy another authentic product again, sorry but no one cares about vapers and their status of an authentic vs clones...the only ppl that care are vapers
i get the intellectual property and designs, but at the end of the day even originals for the most part all look similar, theres not much thought that goes into this stuff, it's a tube and button...even drippers are all shaped similar...sorry designers but i don't think what you make is artwork, does a battery fit? does it make contact? ok done...in fact i'd prefer none of these crappy logo's on the tubes, engraving your name is fine but it's nothing i'm willing to pay for
stuff gets cloned in every industry, the 300m looked like a bently, under armour gear is made by nike and reebok now...golf clubs get cloned all the time...i don't see the big deal, i'll always buy a combination of quality and price, if i'm wearing a shirt to gym i don't need a $40 under armour when the same reebok shirt is $12
then i see people like Zen on-line who's super annoying, i'll never buy one of his products
with that said i had a gus telescopic and have an EA original and don't feel the $180 difference is worth the quality that i paid for them
i get the intellectual property and designs, but at the end of the day even originals for the most part all look similar, theres not much thought that goes into this stuff, it's a tube and button...even drippers are all shaped similar...sorry designers but i don't think what you make is artwork, does a battery fit? does it make contact? ok done...in fact i'd prefer none of these crappy logo's on the tubes, engraving your name is fine but it's nothing i'm willing to pay for
stuff gets cloned in every industry, the 300m looked like a bently, under armour gear is made by nike and reebok now...golf clubs get cloned all the time...i don't see the big deal, i'll always buy a combination of quality and price, if i'm wearing a shirt to gym i don't need a $40 under armour when the same reebok shirt is $12
then i see people like Zen on-line who's super annoying, i'll never buy one of his products
with that said i had a gus telescopic and have an EA original and don't feel the $180 difference is worth the quality that i paid for them
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The Myth of the Starving Artist
Because art and a little different approach to design is what differentiates a Nemesis from a Caravela or any other mod on the market.
They all do the same thing as two wires taped to a battery, but I'm not in the market for that mod.
Maurice
Because art and a little different approach to design is what differentiates a Nemesis from a Caravela or any other mod on the market.
They all do the same thing as two wires taped to a battery, but I'm not in the market for that mod.
Maurice
This alone makes me shudder. But, then, I remember all the clothes that were made by the same slaves, but with different labels inside. Those $1500.00 original slacks are the same as the $15.00 slacks, they just go to different stores. As fast as today's mods and attys are being copied, I sometimes wonder what some of those modders are really doing. Zero equipment, zero overhead, zero scruples.
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