I seriously doubt there are many if any "dead" Provari's or Lavatubes that are waiting to be stripped.
Let's do a Real comparison of the Provari and LavaTube
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Provari's...probably not many, if any.
Lavatubes are so inexpensive that they are probably not repaired if they break. I can't see it being cost effective, unless the broken units are shipped in bulk back to China to utilize the same labor rates which were in effect for their assembly.
I understand the ignorance and fear that leads to my being so attacked in my own thread when I had attacked no one. I understand this is a sad testament to the ECF staff for allowing this bullying to continue.
Did I ruffle some feathers with my strong opinions of some companies like Provari? Sure, that is to be expected. Did I repeatedly try to shove my opinions down others throats in someone elses threads? No I did not.
The majority of my feelings on the subject I posted in my own threads save for one or two other threads where I went in, made my point known, and left.
The behavior as adults that many of you are exhibiting in this thread is deplorable to say the least. I don't act like this in your threads continually with the purpose of derailing the thread. You "adults" should not either.
You have already confirmed that you and others were getting together to talk about me. Why don't you step from behind you hiding places and confront me like men? I can only guess.
Perhaps some of you are working for Provari to try to stop this unveiling of the parts and specs used? Some might say that's crazy, but I don't know.. you people seem to protest way too much as the saying goes. Makes one wonder.
I thought you had agreed to unsubscribe to my thread? Oh would you please, nothing would make me happier.
BTW, if this thread keeps getting derailed, to the point where it does not serve the intended purpose, I will post a new thread on this very same issue until the thread for once has serious on topic discussion. If need be, I will make another, and another, and another.
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Do you really expect people to take you seriously when you say things like this when you have also literally said "I am a strong Anti Provari crusader for many reasons.":
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-keep-comparing-lt-provari-4.html#post4968005
Oh, I know I said that in another thread, but I have a totally different unbiased goal with this new thread. Ok pal.
You should really read more and try to understand THIS thread before passing judgment. The two threads are unrelated. Yet, people keep insisting on discussing other issues they, not I are bringing into this thread.
Wow, John Phoenix I really feel kind of bad for you. I keep watching all the wildness. It's kind of like when you drive by a car accident really slow, so you can see the carnage. You took a hard stance that really ...... off a lot of people.
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Jeeze John, switch to De-Café would you.
Yeah… Our cover is Blown. We’re All working for Provari on a Secret Mission to Spread Lies about the Lavatube. Oh well, it was Good while it lasted.
And you are Right.
It is Way Past the Point where I Should Have Un-Subscribed. This thread has gone from Comical to Kinda Sad in a Way to Just Short of Bizarre.
Have a Good Night John.
Done. I read the thread in under 5 minutes, remembered you from a half dozen other threads about Provari vs Lavatube and subsequently understood your stated goal, and ALSO was able to comprehend your unstated goal. There's nothing complicated about your thread.
Just enjoy your Lavatube, man. The only person giving you a hard time about your purchase is yourself. Not sure why people have to constantly justify to themselves and random people on the internet why they bought A instead of B. The Lavatube is a decent PV with some nice features that a lot of people are looking for at a lower price point. Like just about everything, that lower price point comes with negatives in addition to the positive (low cost). The fact that this has generated so much discussion at this point is ridiculous.
What difference does discovering/revealing/disclosing the components used in the two PVs make? The negatives and positives of both are well documented throughout this forum. Does knowing the individual component part numbers magically resolve the shortcomings?
Why dont you buy a Provari John? That way you can make a honest statment about it (as you don't own one but continue to bash on it) and then you could "strip" its worthless body. And what I meant about trade secrets wasn't about the law. I know if I made a mod I was selling for profit I wouldnt want the part list floating around. Others could easily steal my ideas and designs, that I worked hard on. Its not right to the hard working people of either company. Stop it.
At this picture has the internals of the provari as well. Now just ask somebody to identify the parts (if they can, I doubt it for some of it) in the modders forum.
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/246093-electronique-lavatube-picture.html
At this picture has the internals of the provari as well. Now just ask somebody to identify the parts (if they can, I doubt it for some of it) in the modders forum.
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/246093-electronique-lavatube-picture.html
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Well you said a lot of stuff in that other thread that hurt your credibility in this one. When you say in this thread you just want the facts, and you say in another thread that you want to go all "Anti-Provari" without owning one, you lose credibility with people. You have to learn to deal with the persona you have chosen on this forum. You said a lot of stuff without facts in that thread, so why should I take you seriously in this one?
I deal quite well with my persona on this forum. Anti Provari - against the Provari, for many good I think reasons, YES ! And so what? Big Fat Hairy Deal. It's my opinion, I stated it. You all don't have to fight me over it. That thread is over and done with.
If it was me, I'd say to myself " O.k. that guy has some strong opinions on the Provari. " and leave it at that. But you guys don't do that.. you keep bringing it up and throwing it around like children playing ball.
What really gets me is most people in this thread have no sense of separation. I did not mention any of those past issues one time in this thread. I didn't bash The Provari one time. So why bring them up here?
You don't think it's right for me or anyone else to list the Provari parts? That's your opinion. I happen not to share that opinion but I will respect you for having it. I already proved doing so does not break any laws, nor does it break ECF rules. You'll just have to get over it.
Patent infringement is another matter. Anyone can closely mimic anyone's design and that is 100% legal as long as it does not exactly duplicate the patient. The Provari people accept this fact when they get in business knowing it is done everyday. They are not worried about this in the least I assure you.
Look at it this way, if I were wrong and you were right, then Provape would have awesome written evidence against me to take me to court with. Letting this thread develop would be therefore the best thing you can do for Provape and to shut me up. We all know that's not gonna happen. That's what everyone seems to be afraid of.
If it was me, I'd say to myself " O.k. that guy has some strong opinions on the Provari. " and leave it at that. But you guys don't do that.. you keep bringing it up and throwing it around like children playing ball.
What really gets me is most people in this thread have no sense of separation. I did not mention any of those past issues one time in this thread. I didn't bash The Provari one time. So why bring them up here?
You don't think it's right for me or anyone else to list the Provari parts? That's your opinion. I happen not to share that opinion but I will respect you for having it. I already proved doing so does not break any laws, nor does it break ECF rules. You'll just have to get over it.
Patent infringement is another matter. Anyone can closely mimic anyone's design and that is 100% legal as long as it does not exactly duplicate the patient. The Provari people accept this fact when they get in business knowing it is done everyday. They are not worried about this in the least I assure you.
Look at it this way, if I were wrong and you were right, then Provape would have awesome written evidence against me to take me to court with. Letting this thread develop would be therefore the best thing you can do for Provape and to shut me up. We all know that's not gonna happen. That's what everyone seems to be afraid of.
Of course not. It gives people who wish to know these things greater insight into the two units. One understands better why each PV preforms exactly as it does. This does not always interest all people but it does interest others. Some wanna know how to tell time and always know the clock will work, some want to know how the clock works. Perhaps displaying such knowledge will cause both companies to produce a better product. It can only be a win win for everyone.
Then forgive us for not seeing this as a quest of truth but as a way to further bash a product you have NEVER tried. Stop it.
No one but you thinks anyones going to court, yet you keep mentioning it. Is that your unstated goal? To get enough followers to get them to go to court with you. You should say that outright. It was save us the trouble of deciphering exactly what it is you want.
...and some might like to compare the parts list between the two devices in order to reinforce their contention that the Provari is obscenely overpriced.
You know.... when I purchased my Provari, I remember thinking "Wow. These guys are smart! Their pricing structure and options pricing is designed very cleverly to maximize their profits from this purchase".
$15.00 to choose the blue LED that is a limited time offer? Brilliant! What a cash cow!
But I (quite happily) purchased it anyway, because I decided that I would rather possess the items I chose than the $278.00 I was paying for them. I even got the blue LED.
It's called "skimming the cream". When a company produces a product that is innovative or shines way above its competition, the smart business markets it at the very highest price it can get. Before long, other producers will copy it and flood the market, forcing a lowering of prices. The innovator can only hope that new buyers will insist on the original and that they have been able to lower their costs with production advances and economy of scale.
Would you really expect a company smart enough to develop a Provari to be too dumb to seize the moment and build a strong company that will be able to weather their market through the coming cycles?
Don't hate the player John. Hate the game.
It would seem no one else does however.
Probably because you feign the impartiality of a comparative experiment while trumpeting your prejudice.
Outside of your professed animosity towards the Provari product, you're correct.
Well, at least you "proved" it.
Your second sentence is false. In many cases you cannot "mimic" design of a patented product. The concept can be patented. As to your references to the "Provari people"...how would you know what they accept or are worried about?
How noble and brave you are.
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