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albertbert

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$18.00 a cartoon so in 31 days i would have spent around $72.00

omg! thats so cheap. Switching was financially easy for me. I spent about 200 first month, much less than what I spent on smokes. I can't really say much that hasn't already been said. I do recommend bigger battery stuff, but i also recommend kr808's, if they want something cig like. Contrary to some of the posts in here, i think they are great. But, i never tell anyone the cheapest starter kit is all they need. Usually tell people to get 4 batts, two chargers, and a pcc. Anyway, i think we try our best to steer people in the right direction.
 

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Blues, there is no "truth." Let's get that right out of the way. Everyone is different, and what's more, not everyone understands how, or why, or even that they are different. We have never before had an alternative to smoking to give us a basis for comparison or even discover that there are different reasons why we smoked, why we kept smoking (apart from the addiction itself), and what the most significant aspect about smoking was that gave us the most satisfaction. These were aspects we never really gave a damn about before because we never really had products that gave us the ability to selectively enhance or reduce one or another aspect independent of others apart from "regular" or "ultra light" or whatever.

So imagine a long-time smoker looking into E-cigarettes. Without knowing anything about that person, you go and suggest a Riva kit. Now, I have no problem with that choice, the Riva is an excellent starter, and hell, even a good all-rounder to have in your kit either as a main or a secondary vape, so I completely agree with you on that. But there is the very real possibility that a large battery isn't going to do it for that person. They may not easily be able to adjust to its size, or a manual button for that matter. The ease of use that cigarettes provide may be essential to transitioning from analogs to electronics for that person. They may need an automatic 808 that's dead simple to use -- just lift and drag.

It may well be that slim autos may be something that person will outgrow, but here's the thing: That smoker knows absolutely nothing about their addiction other than that they are addicted. They don't know with any granularity what, specifically, they are addicted to. Is it the physical actions? The throat hit? The visual cues given by thick clouds of smoke/plumes of vapor? The flavour? A combination of these? Is an unfamiliar form factor going to interfere with the enjoyment of any of these to the point where they may feel like it's not working for them?

They don't know anything about their addiction. More importantly, neither do we. And until that smoker can tell us with more specificity what it is they really need out of an E-cigarette, the best we can do is offer our suggestions and why we believe they work for us, and then hope that the smoker can gather some clues from that to perhaps better understand what might work for them.

It might work at first for them, and it might not, regardless of what their first purchase ends up being. What's important here is not what they end up buying. It's what they end up learning about their addiction from it. What works for you is an intensely personal thing because only you can really understand why it does or doesn't work for you.

To use myself as an example, I started with an eGo 650 kit with some generic tobacco juice at 18mg. I knew nothing about my addiction, or even that there was anything to know other than that I was an addict. What I learned from my first kit was that form factor wasn't a big deal for me -- the eGo was awesome and it worked fantastic for me. I learned that throat hit was the most important aspect of vaping for me to make it work as well as cigarettes, and that 18mg wasn't enough (at the time). I learned I didn't really like tobacco-flavoured E-juice, even though I though I was supposed to, and that I was much happier with sweeter flavours. I learned that cartridges were fine at first but ultimately didn't last and that there were better options. I learned that I wanted more battery life and bought a 1000mAh battery. I learned that larger atomizers (the B-type) were far better than the 510s my kit came with, but that even cartridges in those didn't last as a satisfying solution.

It took a while, but I learned all of that and a whole lot more, both about E-cigs and about myself as both a vaper and an ex-smoker. And I spent a lot of money to learn that. And I'm glad I did, because each new thing I bought to try taught me something valuable that I could then use to better define what worked best for me as a vaper. These days I am very attuned to what works for me and why, and yet there are still things I'm learning.

So the truth is that there is no "truth" to tell Newbies except what the newbies can tell themselves through their experiences. All we can do is fire off what we like and what worked for us in the beginning and why and let them decide from that so that they can form their own opinions about their experiences and begin to better understand their addiction and what does and doesn't work.
 

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Blues, I've always found this forum an exceptionally helpful place, specially our little corner (Canada Forum) in it. Are you referring to the New Members Forum. It can get kinda insane there and yes, not all answers are helpful but there is a ton of information on there as well.

In a forum of 77000 people, there's bound to be superfluous information, and it can sometimes seem like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack at times but I do sincerely believe that most people are on here to assist new smokers find their way. It's just that there are so many "ways" to achieve vape nirvana.
Dusty,

When you do find it, let me in on the secret. I have found satisfaction, bliss but no Nirvana :( I sure wish I knew what I was doing wrong.
 

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Dusty,

When you do find it, let me in on the secret. I have found satisfaction, bliss but no Nirvana :( I sure wish I knew what I was doing wrong.

It's hidden in the PG, but sadly you are "allergic" to PG, and hence are doomed to a life of bliss, but ... NO NIRVANA FOR YOU!! :)
 

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I just bought 4 1100 mah T-Rex for under $30.00 each. Add to that a pack of cartos= $10.00 and add to that 150 ml juice @ total $35.00
$30- Starter Kit
$10.00- cartos
$35.00 150 ml juice
Total= $75.00
Shipping= $35.00
It can be done but the problem is many vapers are impulse shoppers.

And the cartos are Mega DC cartos.
 
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I just bought 4 1100 mah T-Rex for under $30.00 each. Add to that a pack of cartos= $10.00 and add to that 150 ml juice @ total $35.00
$30- Starter Kit
$10.00- cartos
$35.00 150 ml juice
Total= $75.00
Shipping= $35.00
It can be done but the problem is many vapers are impulse shoppers.
Bingo, folks only see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.
 

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I said when I started I would not go over half of what I spent on smoking ($200). Lately...now that I use the same thing every month I am spending 25% of what I use to spend. The trick is buying in bulk for me.
2 14500 batteries for my mod- $4 at deal extreme includes shipping
160 ml of juice- depends on what specials are going on where. $60 dollars using Vapor Rooms weekly flavors (that is 30 a month as I only use 80ml a month)
one LR 306 and one pack of boge carto's $20 with shipping

So I am spending 50 a month and normally just falling back on my old 20 dollar madvapes box mod.

So no, I don't spend nearly as much as I use to and for $60...in the States one could easily get
madvapes- box mod, lr306 atty, 510 atty,box of cartomizers
juice vendor- 80ml of juice
dealextremes- batteries
and be up and running for a full month for 70 or less.

I know shipping is more in Canada and your options are more limited.
 

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im in the same boat i have one mod i use with 14500 batteries i have 4 batts and the 4 used i got with the mod so good to go for years
i have one juice i use and i wait for it to go on the deal of the day so i can grab it for a good price at mlv
i have 5-6 quality attys i rotate so i dont have to keep buying cartos ( i use a bottom feeder )and my 5-6 atties will last me at least 6 months but i think more like a year

so now i pay about 13.75 a month for the 30 ml i vape a month
in a year ill buy 4-5 atties more

my first year i spent alot more but once i settle the cost did too
 

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im also still smoking just under half a pack a day if i full on quit i would probably be 60ml a month
but thats only 27 bucks or so per month
but i do believe everything is very personal with the direction you go and amount it costs
for some people its a hobby or a collection others its just to help quit and i 510 is all they will ever have or need
 

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Truth is - there are people who vape forever on a 510 automatic.

There are people who vape forever on an eGo 650.

There are people who vape on something new every month.

Everyone will have their sweet spot on hardware and their sweet spot on eliquid. For some that sweet spot will change regularly and for others it will stay the same or change only intermittently.

For others - vaping becomes a hobby - collecting PVs, different liquids, carto`s and mods, making their own PVs, DIYing liquids, modifying existing hardware or accessories - trying as much as they can.

This is one thing that I love about vaping and vapers - there is so much variety, so many variations on people and needs and likes. It puts the fun back in the puff (...lol)!
 

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But where did you come up with the $29.99 thing?? I have yet to see anyone advertise or make such a claim in order to sell or recommend an ecig, especially here on ECF, so where did you get this supposed $29.99 cure all price? .... and why do you seem so angry btw??

And some genuine friendly advice ... when you post, you should use actual paragraphs when composing your post because that would make them much easier for us all to read. Maybe the lack of response is due to the difficulty some may have getting past the first few lines of your post??
 

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Some people don't read intire posts, and lets face it - people like to talk about themselves, so in a forum situation like this one here, people will just jump on threads and add in their personal opinions and how things work for them. If noobs really want advice they are better off creeping for a while instead of asking a direct question. For example a noob asks "how much can i save switching to vaping?" All the answers will be differant and everyone is going to recommend their set up and how they manage to keep costs low. The noob is better off just reading all the posts related to money VS vaping VS smoking and work it out for themselves.
 

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That 29.99 is a more of vendor problem. Obviously the entry level starter kits. These can be enough to start vaping, but with extra cartos.. and juice. Of course, the vendor sites don't note this basic fact. Sometimes a new user will ask in ecf, will this kit be ok, or that kit, and we answer yes, or no, or whatever. We also might not mention the extras needed, because after all, they are only asking the about different kits. I think vendors, should have disclaimers on their starter kits. On the really basic ones, saying you might need more stuff, "a typical vaper needs _____ a month"

I've even seen some sites that have 1 battery starter kits, and that enrages me! Poor new vapers might order this junk, and of course it wont be adequate, and will have a horrible experience and maybe go back to smokes. Might be a good item, for someone grabbing an extra battery, and all the other stuff, but it really should have bold red letters saying this isnt enough to start vaping.


Anyway, rant complete.
 

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Vaping is a way for some to kick a bad habit.
Vaping became a hobby for some who looked for a way to kick a bad habit.
Those are the people who comprise this great forum.
They will always have their opinions whether strong or weak, sound or unsound.
It is up to you, as with all other forums, who you choose to listen to.
Having said that, listening to BOTH can only heighten your vaping experience.
 

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IMMHO anyone that buys a starter kit with just one battery, deserves what they get. Time to get real folks and be accountable in this society where it has to be someone else's fault.

I shopped for over 2 weeks for my first kit A new day, a new way! - Vaping: The Safe Cig. The kit was sold to my neighbour 1/2 PAD and he absolutely loves it. Mileage will vary. Its the 510 that got me off analogs.
 

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Hey Blues, I'll quickly chime in here with my thoughts about your post. 1st off I'll say that I have gotten nothing but good 100% honest information from the ECF community. I started with a e-health cig for $10, then a week later (after finding ECF and getting help) I got a Volt kit and some juice for $85. So during my first month $95 dollars spent. I would have spent about that much on analogs (I was a light smoker).

Not once did anyone tell me that I would save money. Personally I don't care about that aspect at all. What I do care about is finally getting off analogs. That mission seems to be accomplished as I'm over 3 months without a single cigarette.

Since I began, I have helped at least 10 people get set up on e-cigs and quit smoking. And yes, they have all bought Volt kits (808s). So these smaller PVs CAN and DO work. Some of these are people that I care about the most in my life (brother, grandfather ect.) That being said- e-cigs along with the help of ECF member have been a lifsaver for me. So for that part of your post I agree 100%.

Much like other folks here I did get the itch to buy other PVs to see what all the hype was about but that was because I WANTED to. I didnt need to spend that $$$ but I wanted to do it. I'm not going to complain about the $$ I have spent because it was a concious decision that I made. This has turned into a hobby for me and I quite enjoy it.

The bottom line is - this can be a way to save mony but most importantly it is to get off cigarettes and save our lives.

Did Santa put coal in yer stocking or something?? lol, jk

(is that paragraph-y enough for ya Switched) :) lmao
 

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When I first began I went straight for a Mod cuz I was desperate for this to work. To offset the original cost I quickly moved to DIY ( after 3 weeks) so in the end I overspent in one area but am saving in other areas. It's all about how much effort one wants to put into this and those that do put forth the effort reap the rewards IMHO. Because my analog supplies were so cheap I'm really not seeing any savings (see my sig) except in the health dept which was 100% my intention and I call that SUCCESS
Happy New Year, Vapoor.
 
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