Let's talk about the Vmod! Calling all Vmodders and those interested in the Vmod!

[machinestatic]

Ok, so this week I finally cracked and decided I'm sick of the frustration with priming and punching cartos, tanks flooding, dry hits and muted flavor in clearo tanks, etc. You know the drill. Sooo I signed up for the Vapage Emails, and BAM! I happened to get that 20% off code this weekend. Great timing. So I'm certainly intrigued. But... I feel like I'm in the gray area between the V-Mod 2.0 and the XL. I will not be carrying this around outside the house, so the super small size of the 2.0 is not a big deal for me and I already own 18650 batteries. However... 4.5 ml is an awesome size for me, and I don't want to commit to vaping 9 ml of the same juice in a row.

So, anyone want to answer a couple questions?

1. If you only fill the XL bottle say, halfway, does it still work just as well?
2. How convenient or annoying is it to have several of the V-Mod XL bottles filled and swap them once or twice a day?
3. I've become spoiled with variable voltage (usually at 8-8.5 watts). Will the vapor from the V-Mod seem cool to me at first?
4. Can the XL use both button-top and flat top 18650s?
5. How do Boge LR cartos work in these? I would buy some Vapage Silos/Hybrids if they're better, but I do have about 30 Boge lying around.

Um, I think that's enough before I write an entire novel here. Thank you Vmodders.

Edit: One more question! I'm assuming that, like clearos and cartos, if you fill a V-Mod bottle with something like menthol, that flavor is stuck there for good even after cleaning... so I'd want to have a bottle for tobaccos, another for fruits, another for menthols, etc. right?

 

[Commie]

Answers are in red.

1. If you only fill the XL bottle say, halfway, does it still work just as well?
It will work, but you will need to squonk harder. The more air in the bottle, the more effort it is to push liquid.

2. How convenient or annoying is it to have several of the V-Mod XL bottles filled and swap them once or twice a day?
Very convenient, not annoying at all. If the flavor is the same or similar. Flavors between bottles will mix a bit when you swap them without washing out the mod.

3. I've become spoiled with variable voltage (usually at 8-8.5 watts). Will the vapor from the V-Mod seem cool to me at first?
Depends on the atomizers/cartomizers you use. If you use 1.7 ohm, it will be warmer than what you're used to. I'd suggest 2ohm, which should be close to your 8 watt

4. Can the XL use both button-top and flat top 18650s?
Yes. Button top will make the throw of your firing button a bit shorter, flat top will make it longer. I prefer button top

5. How do Boge LR cartos work in these? I would buy some Vapage Silos/Hybrids if they're better, but I do have about 30 Boge lying around.
On the VMod, Boge LRs were my second favorite, after smoktech 1.7 shorties. They work very well.

Edit: One more question! I'm assuming that, like clearos and cartos, if you fill a V-Mod bottle with something like menthol, that flavor is stuck there for good even after cleaning... so I'd want to have a bottle for tobaccos, another for fruits, another for menthols, etc. right?
Haven't had that problem. My stinkiest citrus juice still washed out after a good PGA bath. You will, however, have to wash your mod with lots of hot running water when switching between incompatible juices. Luckily, washing it out takes about 20 seconds, and requires minimal drying (paper towel, and you're good to go).

 

[tearose50]

1. I've used til all but dry. Vapage suggests refilling earlier than that.

2. It's easy to dismantle the Vmod and change bottles. Some love the sounds and feel of taking off the cone and shell and putting it back together. I just use different devices. I think the bottles now come supplied with some sort of cap, so it shouldn't be a problem. You do need to use the Vapage bottles.

3. This would be a good time to learn about Ohm's charts. (just search google, there are a bunch out there) A freshly charged battery at 4.2 and the supplied 2.0 ohm battery is over 8 watts. At 3.7 it's 6.8. A 1.5 ohm atty at 3.7 is also over 8 watts...but more when it is freshly charged.

An atty is different and you may find that the slant coil hybrid atty is pretty sweet at 2.0 ohms. I feel it's best to get the feel of an atty and feeding down with a 2.0 before going to 1.5 YMMV and there are lots of opinions.

4. yes

5. The boges are commonly used. I used both them and the Vapage one's frequently, before the Slant Coil Version of the Hybrid Atty came out. Which carto is better? Everyone has an opinion on that. For me, the vapage one's lasted longer and I really liked that.

I see Commie gave some great answers while I was typing. I'm sure the OP (fourthroc) will have some good answers, too.

 

[machinestatic]

Wow, 11:00pm on a Saturday and I still got 2 excellent answers. Thanks for the info. I'm getting even more excited about possibly buying one of these tomorrow. The XL is sounding like it'd be just fine for me (especially since I already have 4 18650 batts and an XTAR charger), as long as I buy a handful of bottles.

Tearose, I do have an ohm/volt/wattage chart that I use, but my confusion was just that I'm used to all the fancy jazz going on in a regulated electronic mod. So with a mechanical, I had no idea how it would compare to VV (with RMS). But considering I usually take out my batteries and recharge them around 3.7 in my current VV mods, it sounds like I'd be happy.

So in other words, with a mechanical mod, you get exactly what the battery can give at any moment, is that correct? So... with a fresh battery you're vaping at 4.2v, when the battery's life drops to 3.7v you're vaping at 3.7v, etc.?

Now let's see if fourthroc can swoop in before I have to decide on using the coupon code.

 

[Baditude]

I had never had an interest in a bottom feeder mod before. I had not tried a drip atomizer since I had purchased my first mods over a year ago, and that initial experience was not a pleasant one. Likely because I had not taken the time to learn the methodology correctly.

Readers on the forum came to me, often considered to know a thing or two about cartotanks, frustrated with premature clogging of cartomizers in cartotanks and ineffective wicking of clearomizers when using thick juices like Boba's Bounty. What could they do?

I tried to reason things out. What was needed was to find a way to vape the thicker juices with a delivery device that did not depend upon polyfiller or string wicks to vaporize the juice. The answer seemed to be to use a drip atomizer. However, dripping is often considered inconvenient. Then the idea of using an atomizer in a bottom feeder sounded like it would be a good solution. The full flavor and no-clog factor of a drip atomizer with the added convenience of a tank.

I recommended a VMod or a Reo to these people, and many of them took the advice. And loved it! So much so that they tried to convince me to get one, too. Well, eventually I did. There was a learning curve (like any new device) with using the juice bottle and getting the correct amount of juice into the atomizer, but once I got consistant with that I was getting an extremely nice vape.

I didn't believe anything could outperform my Provari's. They are still my favorite APV. But the VMod is running a close second. It has a lot going for it. Size, pocket friendliness, portability, convenience, dependability, long battery life, long time between juice refills, and as I get more familiar with the methodology of a bottom feeder - consistancy. Lack of variable voltage? For someone who depends so heavily on variable voltage, I can't say that I've missed it with the VMod.

Bottom feeders won't be for everyone. But I think everyone should try one at some point. I know that I've been pleasantly surprised with mine.

 

[Commie]

Baditude, I feel exactly how you feel about provari, about my reos. I can't picture anything coming close to the taste of dripping, in a small, leak proof, pocket friendly form

 

[machinestatic]

I have officially ordered a VMod XL! I got the black shell, 4 extra bottles, and a spare 2-pack of the 2 ohm atties and 2.2 ohm cartos (because I don't know which one I'll like more). Then the coupon knocked off almost $30 and I got free shipping. Awesome. (I also ordered a 30ml of Halo Menthol Ice which I've never tried before, but that's beside the point. )

Also, I've got another question, since I did a little more researching. When using standard Boge cartos in the VMod, do you need to punch a hole to help the juice feed?

 

[time2quit]

First off... I want to give a big "Thank You!" To all of you who have helped answer my questions. Very cool of ya!

Now... I've come across another little snag that hopefully has a quick fix?

I'm using a 1.5ohm hybrid slant atty (from vapage) and the draw seems incredibly stiff! I've Loosened the base (the metal part that the blue O-ring goes around) as well as the atty itself. Still doesnt make a difference. I don't particularly like a airy draw, but this is getting to take some work in order to get a pull. Lol

Any suggestions?

 

[EddieAdams]

I had never had an interest in a bottom feeder mod before. I had not tried a drip atomizer since I had purchased my first mods over a year ago, and that initial experience was not a pleasant one. Likely because I had not taken the time to learn the methodology correctly.

Readers on the forum came to me, often considered to know a thing or two about cartotanks, frustrated with premature clogging of cartomizers in cartotanks and ineffective wicking of clearomizers when using thick juices like Boba's Bounty. What could they do?

I tried to reason things out. What was needed was to find a way to vape the thicker juices with a delivery device that did not depend upon polyfiller or string wicks to vaporize the juice. The answer seemed to be to use a drip atomizer. However, dripping is often considered inconvenient. Then the idea of using an atomizer in a bottom feeder sounded like it would be a good solution. The full flavor and no-clog factor of a drip atomizer with the added convenience of a tank.

I recommended a VMod or a Reo to these people, and many of them took the advice. And loved it! So much so that they tried to convince me to get one, too. Well, eventually I did. There was a learning curve (like any new device) with using the juice bottle and getting the correct amount of juice into the atomizer, but once I got consistant with that I was getting an extremely nice vape.

I didn't believe anything could outperform my Provari's. They are still my favorite APV. But the VMod is running a close second. It has a lot going for it. Size, pocket friendliness, portability, convenience, dependability, long battery life, long time between juice refills, and as I get more familiar with the methodology of a bottom feeder - consistancy. Lack of variable voltage? For someone who depends so heavily on variable voltage, I can't say that I've missed it with the VMod.

Bottom feeders won't be for everyone. But I think everyone should try one at some point. I know that I've been pleasantly surprised with mine.

You can't beat the portability. I'm more than happy without VV and the 1.5ohm slant from vapage. I modded mini rda to bottom feed and it's my favorite imo. Ss wicked. I re-wrapped with 3 wraps later of 32 and it performs amazing.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...51-vmod-xl-rba-squid-rda-bottom-feed-mod.html
The larger rda I pictured earlier in this thread was just too big. Also has an air inlet through the base with a hollow chamber. I could see this becoming an issue. Filling up possibly and being very hard to clean thoroughly.

 

[EddieAdams]

I have officially ordered a VMod XL! I got the black shell, 4 extra bottles, and a spare 2-pack of the 2 ohm atties and 2.2 ohm cartos (because I don't know which one I'll like more). Then the coupon knocked off almost $30 and I got free shipping. Awesome. (I also ordered a 30ml of Halo Menthol Ice which I've never tried before, but that's beside the point. )

Also, I've got another question, since I did a little more researching. When using standard Boge cartos in the VMod, do you need to punch a hole to help the juice feed?

No it feeds through the bottom. I prefer the hybrids from vapage at 1.5. Have used LR boges on mine and just find the slant coil to be better imo though more expensive.

 

[tearose50]

So in other words, with a mechanical mod, you get exactly what the battery can give at any moment, is that correct? So... with a fresh battery you're vaping at 4.2v, when the battery's life drops to 3.7v you're vaping at 3.7v, etc.?

That's pretty much covers it and is certainly good enough for practical use.

There is a slight resistance reducing the outflow to the atomizer as the energy has to go through the connector. It is my understanding that this is true with ALL mods, no matter how low or high tech their mechanics are.

So, there are ever so slight changes due to the mod itself and those contact points.

I'd have to refresh my studies to find if there are even any VV's/VW's that compensate for that with their chips.

 

[machinestatic]

No it feeds through the bottom. I prefer the hybrids from vapage at 1.5. Have used LR boges on mine and just find the slant coil to be better imo though more expensive.

Thanks. Looking at the date, it turns out the conversation about punching/slotting cartos that I read was made a few years ago in 2011. So I guess that'd be BEFORE the VMod 2.0 and XL, when you had to use proprietary parts if you didn't want to make alterations, right? Got it.

If you're curious, it was here (page 7): http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/requests-opinions-reviews/231063-opinions-vapage-vmod-7.html

So I'm glad I can use my pile of Boge, and I'll also have 3 of the Vapage slant coil atties and 3 cartos. Win.

 

[fourthrok]

Also, I've got another question, since I did a little more researching. When using standard Boge cartos in the VMod, do you need to punch a hole to help the juice feed?

No..you do not. Just vape as you normally would. I like to prime mine (fill with a needle bottle) before attaching to the Vmod. I've heard that isn't necessary...but I think it helps for a more even initial feed.

 

[fourthrok]

First off... I want to give a big "Thank You!" To all of you who have helped answer my questions. Very cool of ya!

Now... I've come across another little snag that hopefully has a quick fix?

I'm using a 1.5ohm hybrid slant atty (from vapage) and the draw seems incredibly stiff! I've Loosened the base (the metal part that the blue O-ring goes around) as well as the atty itself. Still doesnt make a difference. I don't particularly like a airy draw, but this is getting to take some work in order to get a pull. Lol

Any suggestions?

If you look down into the connector of the Vmod you'll see a sort of screw head. If you turn it a bit left or right you can adjust the draw somewhat. See if that helps. I do it all the time especially when changing between the slant coils to Boge to Smok super shorties...and so forth.

(Edit: Actually...I've turned that screw head a couple of full turns before..adjusting to where I like it. No harm doing that.)

 

[fourthrok]

1. If you only fill the XL bottle say, halfway, does it still work just as well?
2. How convenient or annoying is it to have several of the V-Mod XL bottles filled and swap them once or twice a day?
3. I've become spoiled with variable voltage (usually at 8-8.5 watts). Will the vapor from the V-Mod seem cool to me at first?
4. Can the XL use both button-top and flat top 18650s?
5. How do Boge LR cartos work in these? I would buy some Vapage Silos/Hybrids if they're better, but I do have about 30 Boge lying around.

1. It will work, but the vape/flavor may suffer a bit once the juice gets down to only about 1/3 left. Easy enough to top off or just change to another full bottle.
2. Very easy. The bottles come with little caps.
3. You may be surprised at the hit you get on the Vmod. I also like 5.5 to 8 watt vaping, and am plenty satisfied. If not...get the 1.5ohm cartos or atomizers.
4. Yes.
5. Boge work EXCELLENT on the Vmod! As does Smok...both standard and super shorty, and Kanger.

 

[time2quit]

If you look down into the connector of the Vmod you'll see a sort of screw head. If you turn it a bit left or right you can adjust the draw somewhat. See if that helps. I do it all the time especially when changing between the slant coils to Boge to Smok super shorties...and so forth.

(Edit: Actually...I've turned that screw head a couple of full turns before..adjusting to where I like it. No harm doing that.)

thanks fourth! But just to clarify...when you say "look into the connector" are you talking about the "chimney" I believe it's called? Or are you talking about removing the atty, and "chimney" then looking inside of the connector that doesn't come out?

I hope that makes sense??

Thanks Fourth!!

 

[fourthrok]

You don't really have to take the chimney off...just the atomizer. The screw head is recessed in there so you'll need a smallish screwdriver. I keep one in my vape bag all the time. Flathead. Just look down in the connection in the chassis...you'll see it.

 

[time2quit]

You don't really have to take the chimney off...just the atomizer. The screw head is recessed in there so you'll need a smallish screwdriver. I keep one in my vape bag all the time. Flathead. Just look down in the connection in the chassis...you'll see it.

Gotcha Fourth. Thanks for the clarification! I just bought some of the Shorty 1.7ohm to try them out. Not that I'm looking for better performance then Vapage cartos...just a cheaper alternative.

 

[fourthrok]

Gotcha Fourth. Thanks for the clarification! I just bought some of the Shorty 1.7ohm to try them out. Not that I'm looking for better performance then Vapage cartos...just a cheaper alternative.

I hear you there! I'm the same way. I do use the super shorty Smok cartomizers sometimes...trying to save money. I loaded up on a whole crate of them! lol! Then I discovered that they don't really hold up to all day/night heavy chain vaping, which is my style. I was only getting an average of about 24-30 hours using them. At $1.59 a pop...that adds up when you are on a monthly "vape budget". Plus I seemed to have problems with them getting over saturated and spitting juice in my mouth. One solution for that was to replace the Vmod cone with a straight sided eGo cone (that fit) with a tiny rubber band to act as a "gasket"...then use a knucklehead drip tip.

That worked pretty okay. Then I discovered that actually the Boge standard (I use 2ohm) single coil cartomizer worked even better and seemed to last (for a VERY heavy vaper, I am not exaggerating) at least 3 to 6 days (thanks more2!). Much better, if you ask me! And I could get them for a few cents over a $1 a pop. I use the super shorty type drip tips...and they look fine on my Vmod. Not too tall or funny looking. YMMV. Also...the flooding/spitting thing was greatly reduced. The Boge are packed much tighter than the Smok...thus they don't get as juicy-sloppy as quick!

 

[time2quit]

I hear you there! I'm the same way. I do use the super shorty Smok cartomizers sometimes...trying to save money. I loaded up on a whole crate of them! lol! Then I discovered that they don't really hold up to all day/night heavy chain vaping, which is my style. I was only getting an average of about 24-30 hours using them. At $1.59 a pop...that adds up when you are on a monthly "vape budget". Plus I seemed to have problems with them getting over saturated and spitting juice in my mouth. One solution for that was to replace the Vmod cone with a straight sided eGo cone (that fit) with a tiny rubber band to act as a "gasket"...then use a knucklehead drip tip.

That worked pretty okay. Then I discovered that actually the Boge standard (I use 2ohm) single coil cartomizer worked even better and seemed to last (for a VERY heavy vaper, I am not exaggerating) at least 3 to 6 days (thanks more2!). Much better, if you ask me! And I could get them for a few cents over a $1 a pop. I use the super shorty type drip tips...and they look fine on my Vmod. Not too tall or funny looking. YMMV. Also...the flooding/spitting thing was greatly reduced. The Boge are packed much tighter than the Smok...thus they don't get as juicy-sloppy as quick!

Well...aren't you just a wealth of information! ; ) Thanks for the "heads up!" Where do you get your Boges from?