Level with me- Kayfun Lite + worth the dough?

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EddardinWinter

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The machining on the R91 is every bit as good and the KFLs... matter of fact ALL the parts interchange perfect, except for the poorly made clear tanks of the KFL. Even had the same quality issues with the new blue tank svoemesto made. Was disappointed after receiving it from C9V that I has to trim excess plastic from the inside as well as clean the threads to even be usable just like the clear one it came with.

The only legitimate gripe I have heard about the 91 is the steel quality/grade is not up to snuff with the genuine KFL. I will effort to find the link for that.

That said, the 91 has some features that are nice that the KFL lacks (easy adjustment on the center post, for one). I don't have an Hcigar KFL clone, but I have heard lots of good things.



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The only legitimate gripe I have heard about the 91 is the steel quality/grade is not up to snuff with the genuine KFL. I will effort to find the link for that.

That said, the 91 has some features that are nice that the KFL lacks (easy adjustment on the center post, for one). I don't have an Hcigar KFL clone, but I have heard lots of good things..

I haven't seen an Hcigar KFL clone, the two I have are Kayfun 3.1ES clones and they are awesome. And at $39.50 they not much more expensive than a Aspire Nautilus. One or two coil rebuilds and you're ahead of the game.
 

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Ha! Found it.

Here is the revered XfooYen's dissertation. He did not cite it, because I did not challenge his assertion. I did not challenge it due to my experience of Xfoo's knowledge and care in the precise information he shares.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/hhv-army/374698-lets-talk-hardware-657.html

I jumped at ordering a Russian 91% today. Was a toss up between that and the KFL+v2, but since I could only find the R91 in stock in the US, my decision was made for me :). But to me, $89 for the R91 vs. almost $70 for an EHPRO clone, was a no brainer. Also knowing that if I don't like it, I can turn it on the Classifieds and lose less than what a pack of cigarettes go for these days, why not :)
 

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Ha! Found it.

Here is the revered XfooYen's dissertation. He did not cite it, because I did not challenge his assertion. I did not challenge it due to my experience of Xfoo's knowledge and care in the precise information he shares.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/hhv-army/374698-lets-talk-hardware-657.html


That's the problem with the internet. Without citation it is nothing more than speculation which leads to disinformation. Bonjour comes to mind.

But even giving him the benefit of a doubt, his assertion that the KFL is made of A4 vs. The R91's A2, both of which he also claims are better than that of the clones is really of no consequence. These are not parts manufactured for the aerospace industry. The likelihood of them failing from metal fatigue, corrosion, or anything other that user error are nell to none & I would challenge anyone to show proof otherwise. With proper care & use, either models metal parts should last for years and years. Also noted was he made no mention of quality of the machine work and I myself have never seen any proof of any noticeable difference between the two to make any such judgement.

If everyone could set their fanboyism aside, the truth would probably come down to personal preference solely based on appearance.
 

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That's the problem with the internet. Without citation it is nothing more than speculation which leads to disinformation. Bonjour comes to mind.

But even giving him the benefit of a doubt, his assertion that the KFL is made of A4 vs. The R91's A2, both of which he also claims are better than that of the clones is really of no consequence. These are not parts manufactured for the aerospace industry. The likelihood of them failing from metal fatigue, corrosion, or anything other that user error are nell to none & I would challenge anyone to show proof otherwise. With proper care & use, either models metal parts should last for years and years. Also noted was he made no mention of quality of the machine work and I myself have never seen any proof of any noticeable difference between the two to make any such judgement.

If everyone could set their fanboyism aside, the truth would probably come down to personal preference solely based on appearance.

I take no exception to any of that. I seek only point out that this is a (possible) legitimate difference in the products. Your desire for citation is understandable, I know Xfoo, and you don't. His word carries significant gravitas in my mind...if he were a stranger to me, I likely would require proof.

For the record, he speaks highly of the Russian in other posts I have read of his.

Like I said in my prior post, the 91% has clear and relevant design improvements over the KFL. It is legitimately a better choice for some vapers.



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I have to attest to the fairly easy coil build for these. My first coil EVER :banana: was built because of the KFL+.

My first coil.jpg

and here is the finished product

KFL and ProVari.jpg kfl+ picture1.jpg

I'm thinking I need a beauty ring....:unsure:
 

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I take no exception to any of that. I seek only point out that this is a (possible) legitimate difference in the products. Your desire for citation is understandable, I know Xfoo, and you don't. His word carries significant gravitas in my mind...if he were a stranger to me, I likely would require proof.

For the record, he speaks highly of the Russian in other posts I have read of his.

Like I said in my prior post, the 91% has clear and relevant design improvements over the KFL. It is legitimately a better choice for some vapers.



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Xfoo is truly, truly one of the most knowledgeable people I know in the vaping world. OMG he has tried everything that has come out I swear! Or seriously close. He does study and pick apart devices like no ones business.
I can vouch for X's excellent knowledge.
 

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Think I'm about to pull the trigger on a Kayfun Lite + too! Still got a Provari Mini and an IBtanked on the way, but this just seems like something else that I 'need' :D Rip Trippers coil builds just seem like they would work great on this platform.

I always avoid clones and replicas, but seriously thought about it on this one. In the end, it's not that much more for the real deal IMO.
 

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Xfoo is truly, truly one of the most knowledgeable people I know in the vaping world. OMG he has tried everything that has come out I swear! Or seriously close. He does study and pick apart devices like no ones business.
I can vouch for X's excellent knowledge.

& he is also a self-admitted anti clone advocate... so there is that... which would lead me to want a cite for the info no matter what world he is from. ;)
 

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I take no exception to any of that. I seek only point out that this is a (possible) legitimate difference in the products. Your desire for citation is understandable, I know Xfoo, and you don't. His word carries significant gravitas in my mind...if he were a stranger to me, I likely would require proof.

For the record, he speaks highly of the Russian in other posts I have read of his.

Like I said in my prior post, the 91% has clear and relevant design improvements over the KFL. It is legitimately a better choice for some vapers.

Very interesting. I guess the question is, are there any juices out there which would create a corrosive environment for 303, A2 or A4 stainless. Also, would any difference in the use of these grades of stainless steel equate to any taste benefits from one to the other.

I mean, I could create a tank from solid 18 Karat gold (yes I know it's impractical but bear with me), but if it did not provide any taste or performance benefit, then what is the point?

I kind of compare this to the use of pure platinum in the Wizard evolve. Sure Platinum is strong and light, but it appears to be used simply for the cache of using platinum.

The choice of A4 stainless in the authentic Kayfun seems to be a similar choice. It is to add a level of exclusivity of the device simply for the sake of making owning one exclusive.

I am a little more careful making assumptions since I used the same logic regarding the ProVari vs something like the MVP. However enough people on this board have mentioned that there is absolutely no performance difference between a high quality Kayfun clone and an actual Kayfun, that I am a little more comfortable with my Kayfun clones.

Personally I wish SvoeMesto would release a "value" version of the Kayfun that puts it in the $50.00 price range, and is able to be produced in MUCH greater numbers. I would much rather SvoeMesto get benefit from my wallet then a clone manufacturer.

Actually what I think he SHOULD do is everytime he obsoletes a design, he should release it as a lower cost value line in 303 stainless.

Like now, he could re-release the original Kayfun 3.1 ES and original Kayfun Lite in 303 Stainless versions at around $50.00 while keeping KFL+ at $90 or more using A4 stainless. I wouldn't even look at a clone then. Those who want the "A4" models can pay for the limited runs, and those who simply want affordable devices can buy his "value" line.

There will always be those who buy cheap clones, but there are those of us who would be willing to pay right at the mid point for a more affordable and more importantly more readily available "original"
 
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Think I'm about to pull the trigger on a Kayfun Lite + too! Still got a Provari Mini and an IBtanked on the way, but this just seems like something else that I 'need' :D Rip Trippers coil builds just seem like they would work great on this platform.

I always avoid clones and replicas, but seriously thought about it on this one. In the end, it's not that much more for the real deal IMO.

I am a huge fan of the RiP vertical coil on the Kayfuns. Try it!



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To cite... Here is how it is done-

KFL+ V2 material: 304 stainless steel, Polycarbonate
Kayfun Lite plus

Russian91% - All high quality solid stainless steel 316
The Russian 91%

What’s the difference between 304 and 316 stainless steel?

The simple answer is 304 contains 18% chromium and 8% nickel while 316 contains 16% chromium, 10% nickel and 2% molybdenum. The molybdenum is added to help resist corrosion to chlorides (like sea water and de-icing salts).
http://www.nemaenclosures.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/stainless-steel-corrosion.pdf

So if I had to decide based on the manufactures claims it would seem to go in direct contradiction with what internet guy is saying with any cite.

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Very interesting. I guess the question is, are there any juices out there which would create a corrosive environment for 303, A2 or A4 stainless. Also, would any difference in the use of these grades of stainless steel equate to any taste benefits from one to the other.

I mean, I could create a tank from solid 18 Karat gold (yes I know it's impractical but bear with me), but if it did not provide any taste or performance benefit, then what is the point?

I kind of compare this to the use of pure platinum in the Wizard evolve. Sure Platinum is strong and light, but it appears to be used simply for the cache of using platinum.

The choice of A4 stainless in the authentic Kayfun seems to be a similar choice. It is to add a level of exclusivity of the device simply for the sake of making owning one exclusive.

I am a little more careful making assumptions since I used the same logic regarding the ProVari vs something like the MVP. However enough people on this board have mentioned that there is absolutely no performance difference between a high quality Kayfun clone and an actual Kayfun, that I am a little more comfortable with my Kayfun clones.

Personally I wish SvoeMesto would release a "value" version of the Kayfun that puts it in the $50.00 price range, and is able to be produced in MUCH greater numbers. I would much rather SvoeMesto get benefit from my wallet then a clone manufacturer.

Actually what I think he SHOULD do is everytime he obsoletes a design, he should release it as a lower cost value line in 303 stainless.

Like now, he could re-release the original Kayfun 3.1 ES and original Kayfun Lite in 303 Stainless versions at around $50.00 while keeping KFL+ at $90 or more using A4 stainless. I wouldn't even look at a clone then. Those who want the "A4" models can pay for the limited runs, and those who simply want affordable devices can buy his "value" line.

There will always be those who buy cheap clones, but there are those of us who would be willing to pay right at the mid point for a more affordable and more importantly more readily available "original"

Fair points.

I suppose I appreciate the highest quality metal because I like the thought that a couple of my atomizers could last over a decade. Is that practical? To me, yes. If you (or anyone else) say it means nothing to you, I get that, too. Does it make it "better"...I think it does. I spend a fair amount of time on the Chesapeake Bay, and I see what happens to lesser metals in that environment!

The question is, does that offset the cost in money or lost features of the 91....



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