Link to webcast of Dec. 17 FDA Public Hearing on NRT & Innovative Products
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And there is the gorilla in the room as the different interests between e-cig users and the ANTZ/BP. BP has no real motivation to get smokers to really quit - they make more money keeping smokers on the quit/relapse cycle and then getting sick from smoking-related diseases for which they have the "treatments."
Yep, a rep for Big, Evil tobacco that always lies. lol
Remember - in spite of the scientific evidence showing the opposite, tobacco companies are required by law to say that all of their smoke-free products are not a safe alternative to smoking, while Big Pharma is allowed to lie and call their products "safe and effective."
Uhmmm... can I hate BT? I do. I REALLY hate them for everything they did.
But I am mature enough to recognize that their arguments in this context here are valid, well supported and indirectly support our cause as well.
People can read transcripts of the testimonies up to this point here: Live Updates Of The FDA's Public Hearing | Ecig Advanced News They are live blogging the hearing.
The important points in Nicorette presentation that are good for "us":
- smokers cannot be expected to 'just quit'
- NRTs should be seen as a safe and effective 'chronic therapy' -- by the same token, use of non-tobacco nicotine products for recreation ought to be safe and effective
- NRT users are able to self-titrate dosage and avoid unreasonable high dose -- by the same token, e-cigarette users can do the same as we all know from our own experience
- NRT combinations are probably more effective than single NRT -- by the same token, recreational use of e-cigarettes cannot be considered harmful and ineffective a priori
- smokers cannot be expected to 'just quit'
- NRTs should be seen as a safe and effective 'chronic therapy' -- by the same token, use of non-tobacco nicotine products for recreation ought to be safe and effective
- NRT users are able to self-titrate dosage and avoid unreasonable high dose -- by the same token, e-cigarette users can do the same as we all know from our own experience
- NRT combinations are probably more effective than single NRT -- by the same token, recreational use of e-cigarettes cannot be considered harmful and ineffective a priori
A Tobacco Co. Rep trying to convince us that they care, is an absolute Joke. If they care so much, shut down the cig factories.
They only thing they care about is replacing there steadily loosing revenue...
They only thing they care about is replacing there steadily loosing revenue...
The correct assumption is that dual use results in too small a reduction in harm.
The incorrect assumption is use of non-tobacco nicotine / NRTs will "perpetuate" and "enhance" nicotine addiction and eventual switching is improbable
E-cigs came up a few times, but the focus of this hearing is NRT.
As long as you equally hate Big Pharma and the FDA for lying to us for 30 years about safer alternatives after they called out the tobacco companies for lying.
The ANTZ probably have killed far more people with their lies and they are still doing it today, all while blaming it on the tobacco companies.They WILL buy everything Nicorette and friends sell... And we MUST 'catch them at the pass' and force them to apply the same assumptions and inferences to e-cigarettes.
Self titration works when using pharma nicotine but non-pharma nicotine usage may lead to overdose. There is so much logic in that. Let's face it, everybody is trying to sell their product whether it is pharma, tobacco, of anti-smoking campaigns.
I'll take BT selling ecigs over BT selling regular cigs any day.
Well, think about it without the personal feelings (and the lies the ANTZ have told us for so long.)
They are a business that sells a product that 46 million Americans want and demand and another million or so new U..S users want and demand every year, in spite of full knowledge of the risks. Why wouldn't they care to have their customers live longer by switching to smoke-free products? Doesn't it make sense? But until now, they've been blocked by the government from telling their customers that smoke-free tobacco is orders of magnitudes safer than smoking and their safer products are blocked by the ANTZ at every turn, so the only available tobacco products are the most deadly. Whose fault is that?
Your so very right. Indeed, I am thinking with emotion, and not logic.
Doesn't this clown know that consumers have done continued use for decades, when the so desired. You just buy another box of gum. Consumers do what works for them.
They keep insisting that each individual product has some magic je ne sais quoi that an identical but unapproved product doesn't have.
This is an old FDA trick - that's how they make money for BP.
They are extreme in this, you wouldn't believe: for instance, a company has mixed two old, cheap blood pressure medications in one pill and proved that it worked well for African American hypertensive patients.
The FDA approved that specific brand of dual pill and allowed it a patent and to cost hundreds of times more than the two drugs separately; and stated officially that prescribing the two separate drugs together is not effective!
This is an old FDA trick - that's how they make money for BP.
They are extreme in this, you wouldn't believe: for instance, a company has mixed two old, cheap blood pressure medications in one pill and proved that it worked well for African American hypertensive patients.
The FDA approved that specific brand of dual pill and allowed it a patent and to cost hundreds of times more than the two drugs separately; and stated officially that prescribing the two separate drugs together is not effective!
Thank you Kristin, this is much preffered way over the quality I get from live stream.
– Lorie McClung, Private Citizen
– Linc Williams, Private Citizen/Documentary Director
– Lorie McClung, Private Citizen
I totally agree, the "It's so hard to quit" always floats around us so it's imprinted to our brain making it so.
– Linc Williams, Private Citizen/Documentary Director
... just amazing! Liked that one, apart from his hate for chantix (tho I have no idea wth is that, and frankly don't care).
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