Yes $1.49 for 8ml equals $0.18 per ml however flavoring is used at between 3% and 15% give or take and 10% is as good of a average as any so that drops per ml down to $0.018 per ml.
Liquid is insanely expensive.
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Yes $1.49 for 8ml equals $0.18 per ml however flavoring is used at between 3% and 15% give or take and 10% is as good of a average as any so that drops per ml down to $0.018 per ml.
First of all, pay whatever you want, it is none of my business. However, that being said a "Premium" juice to me is anything that taste good. I make my own Peppermint and Peanut Butter juice and it is better than anything I have purchased anywhere for any price. One of my local B&M's has one flavor that I like (Mint Chocolate) for $7.99 per 15 ml so I buy it from them. I buy quite a bit online but most from MBV because I like the taste.
In defense of B&M prices, I owned my own small business for 15 years. The cost involved are unbelievable. There is a state or federal government "fee" for every thing you do. You worry constantly about getting sued. My liability and workman comp (21 employees) cost me $30,000 per year. You have rent, utilities, equipment upkeep, you pay half of your employees social security and medicare taxes, and the list goes on and on and on. I furnished healthcare insurance for my employees and that cost me another $45,000 per year. You have to pay an attorney and an accountant, and become an expert on every government regulation that exist and you will still get "fined" for violating something you didn't know existed. So when a B&M charges 50-60 cents per ml they are not getting rich. Most of that money is going to pay other people. I made less money as a business owner than I ever made as an employee.
Back to the topic, I would never pay $1.00/ml for a juice when I can make something that taste good to me for $0.10/ml.
In defense of B&M prices, I owned my own small business for 15 years. The cost involved are unbelievable. There is a state or federal government "fee" for every thing you do. You worry constantly about getting sued. My liability and workman comp (21 employees) cost me $30,000 per year. You have rent, utilities, equipment upkeep, you pay half of your employees social security and medicare taxes, and the list goes on and on and on. I furnished healthcare insurance for my employees and that cost me another $45,000 per year. You have to pay an attorney and an accountant, and become an expert on every government regulation that exist and you will still get "fined" for violating something you didn't know existed. So when a B&M charges 50-60 cents per ml they are not getting rich. Most of that money is going to pay other people. I made less money as a business owner than I ever made as an employee.
Back to the topic, I would never pay $1.00/ml for a juice when I can make something that taste good to me for $0.10/ml.
Yeah, Ive met up recently with a couple ECF members that tried DIY about a year ago and apparantly it wasnt for them either. They are both semingly Very knowlegdable Vapors in general. In fact, they were nice enough to "pay it forward" and give me some of their old unused supplies.
Its not for everybody thats for sure, and I may get bored with it after a while. Who knows...... Ill tell you one thing, Ive got a BUNCH of money in up front costs due to all the flavorings Ive bought....a bit over 100 flavors from TFA alone ( half ounce to 1 oz bottles, not the 1.50 sample bottles). It seems Kinda silly I know. Having that many flavorings makes DIY alot easier than most folks that try to dabble in DIY.
But I have a 4 vapor household.....so.....30 dollars of a venders juice to one person is like 120 to me.
Again, just rambling all....enjoying the thread.
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Shouldn't be factored in as a cost that is marked up, let me rephrase
Right, because the time it takes to order a bottle, hopefully sterilize it, the space where its stored, the lights and other equipment the vendor uses to mix it with like beakers, cylinders, and the energy and time it takes to take care of that equipment (again, hopefully at least washing it with hot water, preferably sterilizing it) don't cost these places anything.
You should go into business. Then all this overhead you won't figure into the cost of your juice will just show up out of thin air, you'll never have another utility bill and the juice mixing fairies will come by when you're done making money and take care of everything for you.
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I've never "run" a business, but I've worked at many Mom n' Pop stores, often times with less than 5 employees. I know how it goes. You don't need a huge facility to mix juice. Thus, you don't need $500/month worth of electricity. You don't need to pay $2000/month for rent for a building with a good location and visibility "downtown". You aren't paying employees $25/hour to measure ingredients and dump them in a bottle. You can hire an accountant to go over your spendings and revenue once a month. 10 hours of an accountants time isn't $1000 worth of labor. I fail to believe this is a "high cost/low profit" business arena.
It's just ......ed to complain about prices of anything. You can buy a BMW, or you can buy a Kia. But you can't complain about the price of a BMW. It's just ridiculous, and absurd!
If you want a Kia, order your juices from Fasttech. $1.91 for 10 mls, AND free shipping. Even cheaper if you order more. I doubt if the majority of juices from B&M stores are any better than Fasttech. So what's the problem here?
best regards, larry mac
If you want a Kia, order your juices from Fasttech. $1.91 for 10 mls, AND free shipping. Even cheaper if you order more. I doubt if the majority of juices from B&M stores are any better than Fasttech. So what's the problem here?
best regards, larry mac
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HVAC business, the overhead is higher than a juice business but it lay's out what overhead does to the cost of a product or service.
Homeowner could buy a fan motor for their AC for $150. Install it themselves and all it cost them was the $150 and their time. The same motor cost me $80. I have to pay an employee to go to your house and replace motor. He makes $35 per hour and it took 2 hours to complete. It doesn't end there. I have to pay an accountant, rent on the building, utilities, insurance on the business, insurance for my employee, insurance on the van, maintenance on the van, and gas for the van, and the website. You wouldn't believe the taxes that have to be paid. I have to pay taxes on the business income, my income I even have to match my employee's taxes!! In the end I have to charge the customer $650.00 so the company can profit about $50. I still haven't been payed !!!!!
Homeowner could buy a fan motor for their AC for $150. Install it themselves and all it cost them was the $150 and their time. The same motor cost me $80. I have to pay an employee to go to your house and replace motor. He makes $35 per hour and it took 2 hours to complete. It doesn't end there. I have to pay an accountant, rent on the building, utilities, insurance on the business, insurance for my employee, insurance on the van, maintenance on the van, and gas for the van, and the website. You wouldn't believe the taxes that have to be paid. I have to pay taxes on the business income, my income I even have to match my employee's taxes!! In the end I have to charge the customer $650.00 so the company can profit about $50. I still haven't been payed !!!!!
Then just order your juice from online vendors and quit your .....in! Only a newbe or a putz would buy juice made by a B&M anyway (at least most of the ones I've seen)! Although I've done it, so I guess I'm a putz! lol.
best regards, larry mac
Edit by lm: the OP said "At the vape stores around me, and at a lot of retailers online", in his first post. So how did you even get that it isn't about online vendors?
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I owned a pawn shop for ten years. Three people ran it....... Me ,my wife and one employee. My monthly "Nut" was 7,800.00...... before we made a dime.
Just chiming in.......
I kinda feel sorry for these small Brick anf Mortar stores that are finally popping up, because I see their inventory and I dont see how many of them are going to make it. I really dont.
Just chiming in.......
I kinda feel sorry for these small Brick anf Mortar stores that are finally popping up, because I see their inventory and I dont see how many of them are going to make it. I really dont.
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Until you run a business yourself you have no idea the costs involved. I never said these juice vendors are not making a good profit. If they are doing it properly they are making a decent living. Anyone who runs their own small business should be making a decent living with all the long hours and hard work involved. Capitalism is what made the USA great and set it apart from the rest of the world. Too bad we have the give me generation destroying it
I do own my own business, and if you'll re-read my other posts, you'll see that I am mentioning those costs to others in an attempt to explain whether online or B&M, there are other costs involved beyond just sticking chemicals in a bottle.
I have plenty of overheard, and my business is chemicals. Mixing them and making sure they don't explode when a firearm discharges them specifically, as well as making sure they do exactly what I say they will. If anything I'm more aware of the costs of DIY, being a startup and what all comes with it.
If that wasn't directed at me, then carry on
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Sorry but that is spoken from an employee's point of view. Talk to any mom and pop owner and ask them what their overhead costs are when they get to the point where they have five employees and you will hear the same stories. $10 an hour is just the beginning of what an employee costs. Add in unemployment insurance that is paid by the employer, Social Security, Medicaid, workman's comp, insurance etc. Then you have the work it takes with scheduling these people who may or may not have the greatest motivation to always show up to work for $10 an hour. Training them takes time and money too and just when they are trained they find a better job. Now you also have paper work to do on top of all of that. I honestly don't think anyone is getting rich making juice for you. If it was that easy there would be a whole lot more of them doing it for sure. Also this is not the kind of business that allows these people to take a vacation or have any kind of life but serving their customers half of whom are probably complaining about one order in ten and taking up more of their time.
Honestly if you owned a mom and pop store you would be singing a different tune.
In my area they are popping up like gas stations did in the 90's. Two of them I frequent often and they are busy as hell!! One has just about everything one would want when it comes to Chinese gear. They sell juice at $15 dollars per 30 mil. The other that is my favorite carries high end mods, RBA's and RDA's. They carry Liquid Express juice which is pretty good but they also carry several premium juice lines. I just picked up 2 Kayfun Lite's for $250. Sure they cost a little more than I could have bought them online but I got try one before buying. Also they had them in stock unlike online
As an "employee" I was in-the-know as to finances and the like. It was a family business, and I know what goes on. Just because you've owned a small business doesn't mean that you're some master of economics. LOTS of people do this. As for your statement "If it was that easy there would be a whole lot more of them doing it", you must be new to the internet. There ARE lots of them doing it.
I never said anyone was "getting rich" from it, but I bet a lot of the "bigger" juice companies are doing pretty damn well.
We have 2 B&M's here in Bryan Tx, and they are both about ¢.55 per ml
I usually pay $17 for 30ml, but lately I have been buying 50mls for $24.00
I usually pay $17 for 30ml, but lately I have been buying 50mls for $24.00
compaired to what I use to pay for cigarettes, its a savings all around no mater what vendor I use.
Again spoken like an employee. Just about every employee I have known that works at a small place thinks they know how to run the place. When in fact they see about half of what it really takes. Oh and I for one hope they are doing pretty damn well and so should you.
If I don't like the price I don't plunk down my money. If I like the product enough then I pays my money, & everybody is happy. Seems simple enough to me.......
near me 12 bucks for 15ml and 20 bucks for 30ml, before tax, is the going rate. which imo, SUCKS. however these guys are selling out of juice and have to get their suppliers to expedite. i can understand brick and mortar is and expensive proposition but this seems to be the going rate for decent quality, online only juice retailers as well.
my personal solution is this: i buy 50/50 or higher PG juice with high nicotine and mix it with store bought VG. i like high VG because im not fond of throat hit and i like the big clouds. even though i am paying .75 cents per ml for juice it lasts forever and i get more enjoyment out of it because 50% pg is too much and burns/drys me out.
i also plan to buy larger diy quantity supplies from mountbakervapor or rts.
my personal solution is this: i buy 50/50 or higher PG juice with high nicotine and mix it with store bought VG. i like high VG because im not fond of throat hit and i like the big clouds. even though i am paying .75 cents per ml for juice it lasts forever and i get more enjoyment out of it because 50% pg is too much and burns/drys me out.
i also plan to buy larger diy quantity supplies from mountbakervapor or rts.
OMG - in all these pages of posts, the outraged consumers and steamed-up small business owners haven't figured out the obvious???
Buy a computer, and a laserprinter gets thrown in for free, laserprinters are dirt cheap. If something breaks in them, it's cheaper to throw it away and get a new one, that pay to fix it. BUT go buy a couple of ink cartridges for it, you need a second mortgage...
A B&M sells the ego / evod / mod whatever cheap enough to get it out the door, a loss leader, maybe even throw in a bottle of juice. The customers keep coming back for the juice.$$$$ ding, ding, ding...
Buy a computer, and a laserprinter gets thrown in for free, laserprinters are dirt cheap. If something breaks in them, it's cheaper to throw it away and get a new one, that pay to fix it. BUT go buy a couple of ink cartridges for it, you need a second mortgage...
A B&M sells the ego / evod / mod whatever cheap enough to get it out the door, a loss leader, maybe even throw in a bottle of juice. The customers keep coming back for the juice.$$$$ ding, ding, ding...
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