Liquid is insanely expensive.

[Anjaffm]

I had to laugh when I read this because I said similar to a gal friend years ago. She spent more on her under pinnings than she did on her outer clothes. I mean she spent a ton on underwear and not for any guys eyes... just her own. And, her unders had to match her outers... same colors.. so she had to have a set of unders for each outfit. Never made any sense to me.

*giggles*
That is something I could never understand. Hey, what is somebody like that gonna do? Prance around announcing "Hey, I am wearing very expensive underclothes that exactly match my clothing!" - ??? - Well, the people whom I know would show one of 2 reactions:

1. Wow! Let's see it!
2. So? Who cares?

Nawwww.. if I spend good money on something, then I must get some use out of it and - in the ideal case - be able to display it
Otherwise that would be just like going wee wee in your pants while wearing dark trousers: you get a warm feeling, but nobody else notices

 

[Caridwen]

I had to laugh when I read this because I said similar to a gal friend years ago. She spent more on her under pinnings than she did on her outer clothes. I mean she spent a ton on underwear and not for any guys eyes... just her own. And, her unders had to match her outers... same colors.. so she had to have a set of unders for each outfit. Never made any sense to me.

A good bra can make a world of difference. Just saying.

 

[patkin]

"warm feeling no one notices" cracks me up! What a super sense of humor you have!

 

[Fizzpop]

I get all-natural boutique juice for 50 cents a ml. If I needed to, I could buy good juice even cheaper, or DIY. Even buying boutique juices, my wife and I are spending a third of what we did on the stinkies.

 

[TTerri]

At the vape stores around me, and at a lot of retailers online, this stuff is going for $1 per ml. I understand that artificial food flavoring is expensive (that's why Pepsi costs $12 a can, right?), but should this stuff cost as much per ml as a $750 bottle of wine?

I can't believe more eliquid makers aren't competing on price in a market like this. Is demand really outpacing production by *that* much?

Being somewhat new to vaping....I totally understand the point you're making. When all is said and done, a good USA e-liquid supplier charges about a dollar a mil. I've felt the same way, no matter what people have said in your following posts...

A poster mentioned FastTech., and I checked them out, and they ARE super-cheap-BUT, it's a foreign company.

 

[Anjaffm]

A good bra can make a world of difference. Just saying.

It sure can I am no spring chicken, and I do have something to hold up
sigh.. I cannot find my favorite old (70's) "my bra is killing me!" commercial, so this one will have to do
I am not gonna go out and buy matching undies for all the new fall fashion colors though - much rather spend my money (much less money) on a new atomizer in metallic red

I get all-natural boutique juice for 50 cents a ml. If I needed to, I could buy good juice even cheaper, or DIY. Even buying boutique juices, my wife and I are spending a third of what we did on the stinkies.

That sounds tasty

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A poster mentioned FastTech., and I checked them out, and they ARE super-cheap-BUT, it's a foreign company.

Well, Hangsen and Dekang liquids are not everybody's cup of tea. There are much tastier liquids around.

 

[patkin]

I think I posted on this thread about this but... try to find a USA vendor offering bulk rates. Then buy small sizes there until you find one you really like to buy the biggest size. Mine from Mountain Vapor costs $45.00 for 4 ounces (118mls) so that's .32 per ml. It is not necessary to be paying $1.00 per ml for a premium taste juice once you find what you like for an ADV. Mountain Vapor juices are pretty high-priced in small sizes.. I think over a dollar per ml in the smallest they offer but the juice is so good you'll soon be into 4 ounce size and saving money. There are other vendors like this and that's, in fact, a clue. Why offer such big sizes if they aren't requested? The exception on that, for me, is MBV which offters 50ml I know but I don't care for their juice but many, many, others do.

Edit: I'm going to stick my neck out here and say: We, as vapers, have only ourselves to blame for high prices on juice. Money talks and IF we would only buy from those offering bulk rates, the high-price problem would be solved. The vendor makes seriously high profits on small sizes. They know we will pay what they ask to try a juice first so that's reasonable but we have only ourselves to blame if we don't graduate into higher volume purchases and keep paying sample prices OR if we continue to buy from vendors only offering smallish sizes with commensurate pricing.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

Psst........Complex ( 5 to 7 or so flavors in one juice) isnt hard if you have the recipie. I was doing complex mixtures the first week I tried DIY......thanks to members and recipies and guidance in these forums....... Just to be aware....

Yeah, but whos to say there aren't trade secret sources that some premium vendors use...i.e. nothing you can get from a place that makes perfume...perfume?!
Therefore, never really re-creating the flavor. Contrary answers I'll need proof for...

 

[Myk]

The way I price my services is standard in the industry. Either you have reading comprehension problem or you are trying to put words in my mouth. You claim I said I mark up each part then combine and mark up again. That is not what I said, I said you take the sum of all and mark up. I far from the most expensive and am not getting rich, if I charged less my employees would be making more than me. You trying to lump me in with people who scam is hilarious.

Sure my business isn't at all close to juice. That doesn't matter. Business is business. You want something similar? How about perfume? You think the perfume manufacturers are not marking up the bottle? If so you are clueless.

I only lumped you in with the scammers because you've made it obvious you work on the same way of thinking, that you'll lose some business but the extra money you make will make up for it. As you said it's industry standards which is why there are so many scammers in that business. Whether they're charging for services not needed, not done or marking up things that should be a cost of business and not a product sold they can get away with it.
(Funny how later you claim your profit margins are lower, well if you're marking up every little thing you can think of like you claim that wouldn't be the case.)

It sure does matter that the business isn't close. Few people can plug themselves into any old business and make it work in spite of their ability to make their own business work.
I'm sure you could plug yourself into the liquid business and make it work as far as your pocket goes. Obviously there are enough suckers out there to keep the $1/ml places in business, and the way you talk about business yours would be one of the most expensive liquids. But I bet plugging me into the liquid business would be more successful because I already have the concept of what it takes to keep a retail business going and the wholesale to consumer supply line.

Since you're a big pro-capitalism type guy, do you have any concept of why a VAT is a bad thing? That's basically the same thing you are doing wanting to mark up every cost you incur. Those non-value added tax cost increases get hidden and continue to be marked up every step along the way.

 

[ambientech]

There are long time suppliers here that put a lot of time and effort into complex flavors, BWB comes to mind. He's been a supplier for probably close to 4 years, and I don't think he's raised his price more than once or twice in that time. Many others I could name.

I think a lot of newer members think expensive liquid, fancy bottles and gimmick names equate that with with quality liquid and it's not always the case. Many of these suppliers open their business and then start mixing (they post in DIY asking how) whereas many others started out as members and perfected their recipes then got into the supply end.

Just marketing.

Agree with everything you said. BWB makes great juice and priced very reasonable. Price in the e-liquid game doesn't always equal quality. We have many that are way over priced. The problem I have is, I can name more juice that is way overpriced for what it is that isn't bashed at all, than juice that deserves a higher price that gets bashed here.

 

[Train2]

Wait a minute - FastTech sells Kia's?
Can you provide a link, that sounds like a deal!
Or maybe I'll wait until they clone the Tesla (the car, not the mod) - heck, it does run on 18650 batteries...

It's just ......ed to complain about prices of anything. You can buy a BMW, or you can buy a Kia. But you can't complain about the price of a BMW. It's just ridiculous, and absurd!

If you want a Kia, order your juices from Fasttech. $1.91 for 10 mls, AND free shipping. Even cheaper if you order more. I doubt if the majority of juices from B&M stores are any better than Fasttech. So what's the problem here?

best regards, larry mac

 

[ambientech]

I only lumped you in with the scammers because you've made it obvious you work on the same way of thinking, that you'll lose some business but the extra money you make will make up for it. As you said it's industry standards which is why there are so many scammers in that business. Whether they're charging for services not needed, not done or marking up things that should be a cost of business and not a product sold they can get away with it.
(Funny how later you claim your profit margins are lower, well if you're marking up every little thing you can think of like you claim that wouldn't be the case.)

It sure does matter that the business isn't close. Few people can plug themselves into any old business and make it work in spite of their ability to make their own business work.
I'm sure you could plug yourself into the liquid business and make it work as far as your pocket goes. Obviously there are enough suckers out there to keep the $1/ml places in business, and the way you talk about business yours would be one of the most expensive liquids. But I bet plugging me into the liquid business would be more successful because I already have the concept of what it takes to keep a retail business going and the wholesale to consumer supply line.

Since you're a big pro-capitalism type guy, do you have any concept of why a VAT is a bad thing? That's basically the same thing you are doing wanting to mark up every cost you incur. Those non-value added tax cost increases get hidden and continue to be marked up every step along the way.

The scammers are the ones charging you premium price for sub par service. They are charging you for repairs and parts not needed. I do not do that. I charge premium price for premium service. My margins are lower because my employees are top notch and require a higher wage. My 2 top techs last year each made as much as me!!!! Plus my equipment costs are twice that of the PRC equipment. I take the entire cost of materials and mark it up then add the labor. I sell a finished product not the individual pieces just as any other successful business does.

Plumbers price the same, auto mechanics price the same, those building your house price the same. Electronics priced the same. It goes on and on and on. Your posts show how clueless you are. The bottle is part of the product!!

Capitalism is what made the USA the great nation it was. If you don't want to pay my prices for my product nobody forces you to do so. Now that we have the entitlement generation running things it is no longer the great nation it once was. More on food stamps than work full time. The middle class is now poor! The government forcing you to buy products etc. etc. Chew on that fundamental change.....

Don't even bring taxes into this. The IRS is nothing but a gang of armed robbers as it is, they don't need anymore money. They make more money off my business than I do!

 

[lasttango]

It's priced where it needs to be... if it were much cheaper, you'd lose incentive to produce it...

I don't get the complaining... diy, fasttech, mbv are plenty cheap...

pay more if/when its worth it...

I do dislike the opportunists who sell 10ml bottles of dekang for @29.99 though...

That's evil

 

[fetalbounce]

Being somewhat new to vaping....I totally understand the point you're making. When all is said and done, a good USA e-liquid supplier charges about a dollar a mil. I've felt the same way, no matter what people have said in your following posts...

A poster mentioned FastTech., and I checked them out, and they ARE super-cheap-BUT, it's a foreign company.

Yeah. I'm not going to inhale anything that comes from China. lolz.

 

[fetalbounce]

That's the Gillette business model. The razor is practically free, but the replacement blades are expensive. Before Gillette-style razors it was the other way around, meaning that the razors were expensive and the blades were cheap.

One can still buy an old-school safety razor for around $25 and up. The replacement blades are around 5 cents each.

OMG - in all these pages of posts, the outraged consumers and steamed-up small business owners haven't figured out the obvious???

Buy a computer, and a laserprinter gets thrown in for free, laserprinters are dirt cheap. If something breaks in them, it's cheaper to throw it away and get a new one, that pay to fix it. BUT go buy a couple of ink cartridges for it, you need a second mortgage...

A B&M sells the ego / evod / mod whatever cheap enough to get it out the door, a loss leader, maybe even throw in a bottle of juice. The customers keep coming back for the juice.$$$$ ding, ding, ding...

 

[fetalbounce]

I am referring to people that are vaping $30 juice ... 5-10 ml a day.

There are a lot of people that have never heard of a MBV and think the local B&M is it ... then, there are people who are vaping a $10 disposable daily, or a couple of Blu carts daily.

Those little Njoy cigs cost around $7 or so, and i would need 3 of them to get through a day.

 

[fetalbounce]

It's physically easy, takes a little time, and cheap once you get all your gear together, it's a hobby within a hobby.
Not everyone will want to do this, so juice makers (venders) will always be needed, and with a growing community, more and biggers companies wanting to get in the door.

It seems like a really nice business. I might test the waters sometime next year.

 

[Anjaffm]

Those little Njoy cigs cost around $7 or so, and i would need 3 of them to get through a day.

well, I suppose that you are happy to be here now and that you have probably switched to refillable models - which work a lot better and save a ton of money

 

[Myk]

The scammers are the ones charging you premium price for sub par service. They are charging you for repairs and parts not needed. I do not do that. I charge premium price for premium service. My margins are lower because my employees are top notch and require a higher wage. My 2 top techs last year each made as much as me!!!! Plus my equipment costs are twice that of the PRC equipment. I take the entire cost of materials and mark it up then add the labor. I sell a finished product not the individual pieces just as any other successful business does.

Plumbers price the same, auto mechanics price the same, those building your house price the same. Electronics priced the same. It goes on and on and on. Your posts show how clueless you are. The bottle is part of the product!!

Capitalism is what made the USA the great nation it was. If you don't want to pay my prices for my product nobody forces you to do so. Now that we have the entitlement generation running things it is no longer the great nation it once was. More on food stamps than work full time. The middle class is now poor! The government forcing you to buy products etc. etc. Chew on that fundamental change.....

Don't even bring taxes into this. The IRS is nothing but a gang of armed robbers as it is, they don't need anymore money. They make more money off my business than I do!

I never said you did that. I said you work on the same business plan (according to what you said) that you can stand to lose some work by inflating prices of every cost you incur. (Now you're claiming otherwise.)

Your employees making more would be another cost that you mark up. You're telling me you would mark up bottles that have no hidden costs but you wouldn't mark up wages that have all kinds of hidden costs?
Something doesn't add up.
You either have no idea what you are talking about, you're doing a lot of pretending trying to impress people on the internet or you have a very twisted idea of a business plan.

Plumbers and mechanics I know don't get paid what the business charges for labor. Neither do HVAC employees. It's the whole reason we have individuals going into shade tree business for themselves, otherwise everyone would be happy working for someone else getting paid as much as they could on their own.

It depends on which of your prices you're talking about on whether I would want to pay them. The ones that are you offering a good service at a fair price or the ones where you lick a stamp to send a bill and charge your customer an inflated price for that stamp, envelope and printer ink.
The IRS can't make more money than you do because you mark up all your costs remember?
You're not being consistent.

The guy you've claimed to be, don't worry, you wouldn't see a penny from me. They guy you now claim to be would be one I do business with. Who you actually are would be the determination of where my money goes.

 

[Etownguy]

The wife and I make our own because it would be just as expensive as smoking to buy commercial juice all the time. But if we are in a shop and taste something we really like we will go ahead and buy it. Blue voodoo from Mr e.liquid being one of those "indulgences"

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