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yagottawanna

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Okay - what do I do with this puzzling thought?

I took a nap and got my headache to go away. I've been awake for awhile fiddling around with some stuff I needed to do.

Sat down - looked at my cigs - looked at my eGo - and thought to myself, "This is so annoying. I really just don't want to be bothered."

Hemmed and hawed. Picked up the eGo and vaped. Ick.

Picked up the cig, lit it, took a drag. Ick.

Thought about it some more and realized what my real problem is: an overwhelming fear of having to deal with the extremely uncomfortable experiences of going through nicotine withdrawal.:?:

So I "think" that means I don't "want" to smoke or vape. What the heck am I supposed to do with that? My addiction isn't going to magically go away by itself - and I don't think I have the stamina to get through withdrawal. (Change that to I know I don't.:()

Where are these thoughts coming from and what do I do with them?????????????

I swear I'm losing my mind! :blink:

 

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Take up knitting. Lol.

Really glad the nap worked. Naps are good things.

My thoughts -- find something else you like to do and get busy with that. It will help take your mind off it all and that is a blessing. Vape or not -- whatever is handy.

It could be it's time to change a flavor For The Moment. Or, could be one of those times where we "want to smoke" but don't want the nicotine-----and that's where PV's are nice. We CAN vape low or zero nic for that doingness thing. IMHO not wanting to do either moments are good signs and part of the adjustment.

And, I must disagree. You have shown much stamina and "guts". So there!

Now, I'm curious to see what other gems you receive in response!
 

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I have to say I have just read this entire thread and I am just amazed at the people here. Everyone is so wonderful. I wasn't sure about joining but now I'm so happy. This is a great place to be.

Congrats yagottawanna and good luck on your journey. Thank you for being so open and honest I have learned so much from your posts, I have laughed and cried along with you. Like others have said you are not alone. 
 

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realized what my real problem is: an overwhelming fear of having to deal with the extremely uncomfortable experiences of going through nicotine withdrawal.:?:

So I "think" that means I don't "want" to smoke or vape. What the heck am I supposed to do with that? My addiction isn't going to magically go away by itself - and I don't think I have the stamina to get through withdrawal. (Change that to I know I don't.:()

Where are these thoughts coming from and what do I do with them?????????????

I swear I'm losing my mind! :blink:


OK, as I said before a couple of times, we are going to get through this conversion from smoking to vaping together, me you and all the other newbies in here, together, with the advise of the experienced folks on this forum. You (we) don't have to worry about going through nicotine withdrawals. We can keep the nicotine going through the juice, at whatever level we want for ever how long (or short) we want. We will have to worry about habitual withdrawals, more on that in a minute.

I drove to My Freedom Smokes yesterday morning, picked up a eGo-T and a few juices, Chris showed me what to do, how to work the darn thing, I vaped on the way home and put my carton (less 2 packs) of USA Gold's in my sock drawer. Now it's 11:00 PM, the next day. still vaping (Strawberry Cheese Cake believe it or not) now, havn't had a smoke in going on 39 hours now, and its hour by hour. In that 39 hour period at 2.5 packs per day, I would normally have reach for my pack of cigs and lighter 75 times. Now, out of habit from 35 years in reaching for the pack, just the motion of reaching for the pack, the visual of looking for and at the pack caused me to STILL reach for the pack, 75 times, and EACH time the pack was not there, and I was anxious each time for 10 seconds or so, until EACH and EVERY TIME I remembered what someone told me on this forum, vape FIRST, then have a smoke if you feel like you still need one. So I looked away from my end table to find my eGo, which was in my lap (or if I was in the car I looked away from my center console, then to my lap). I can't remember who told me this, but I have done this SEVENTY FIVE times in the last 39 hours. I just did it AGAIN! I looked to my left at my computer desk for my smokes and lighter, they were not there, anxiety again, but for just 2 seconds, the eGo was on my desk between my elbows as I'm typing, just below my keyboard space bar, wow, vaping now, anxiety going away, made it through avoiding cig number 76. Now as each of these habitual experiences occurs, I have a mini "freak out" sesion. But it is MY choice to vape, then have a cig if I WANT TO. So far I HAVE DECIDED not to, but thats SO FAR. This option helps removes the pressure on me. But I do FORCE MYSELF to follow MY (borrowed) rule, VAPE FIRST! Now I am going to look back through ALL my posts (LOL as I am new hereso not many posts) and find who suggested this to me and thank them for this advise.

Now you should make your own rule, for yourself, but leave yourself a way out, to eliminate the pressure. I believe that after smoking for 35 years (I'm 50), for me, its every little move, no matter how insignificate it may seem, that I would normally make toward the act of smoking, the visuals that follow each move, if anything at all is different, a millisecond (or more) of anxiety will set in. So If you normally sit at your computer desk and your smokes and lighter are usually to the left of you, just below the ash tray, then put your PV right there on purpose, put the ashtray somewhere else. If you are watcing TV, same thing, if you are walking around and smokes are normally in your pocket, put your PV in your pocket an so on. If you chose to snag up the VAPE FIRST rule for your self, just remember, you can still have a smoke afterwards if you want to. If you do, you will not have failed, you will have followed your rule. But put your smokes in your sock drawer so you have to get up and walk to get them. Don't leave them laying around in plain sight, right where they usually are, you have to change that visual of what is there (the visual) when you have the nic fit, and you need to see the PV when you look in the normal place, not the stinkerettes.

Now, I think thats the most I have ever typed at one time, I type with two fingers and my fingers are tired now..... as I look to my left, there is the eGo...
 
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...an overwhelming fear of having to deal with the extremely uncomfortable experiences of going through nicotine withdrawal

Good thing you decided to go with e-cigarettes, then, because avoiding that extremely uncomfortable experience is one of the reasons they, well, you know, exist... ;)

You had it right a little while ago - relax! Use the google search thing and poke around the health section to talk to other people who had headaches when they started. It will make you feel a little bit better just to see that you aren't the first.

I'm so sorry you're having them, but you can keep them under control with the antihistagestant/advil/aleve/tylenoltail. (If the headaches are happening behind your eyes, it's probably your sinuses, who are just going all meangirl on the new girl that is water vapor, in which case you can probably just take the antihistamine and decongestant and treat it as you would any sinus headache, raise your arms over your head and walk around, get in the shower and run water on your face, etc etc).

Number One - it has to be a pleasant experience. Stuff like headaches and digestive discourtesies and all the lip-mouth stuff will almost surely go away in a few weeks, and may make you temporarily miserable, but hardly deserves to be allowed to derail something that can save you from even worse misery, not to mention all the weapons grade DebbieDowner stuff!
 

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Sorry to dash anyones hopes, but cranky old lady is back again.:p

I actually had no intentions of popping into the forum today. Felt like I needed a break. Felt like my granddaughter's hamster - continuously running around and around and around in that extremely annoying (not to mention squeaky) wheel. Probably information overload (short circuit in the 3/4's of the one brain cell I have left); never-ending dizzy spells from whipping my head around from my eGo to my cigs; wicked headache (brought on by having a head - no need to get all technical about it - if you have a head, you're going to get headaches); trying to decide if I wanted to cry, throw another temper tantrum, chain smoke cigs till I puked, or try to smoke both of my eGo's at the same time on opposite sides of my mouth.

Also spent a great deal of time pondering the statements I made in my last post about not knowing what I want - only to come to the startling conclusion that I have never known what I "want" (Hamburger or hot dog? Cat or dog? Mini van or matchbox car? Charmin toilet tissue or Angle Soft? Fan on or fan off? Cordered phone or cordless phone? Black purse, white purse, or no purse at all?) So - for future references, when I say I don't know what I want, ignore me - because I'm going to change my mind 4.5 seconds later. I'm old - I'm cranky - and I think I have earned the right to be as wishy-washy as I want.

So - how did today go? Smoked cigs - vaped my eGo - fiddled around with my gear and gizmos - and I "think" I may have actually invented something!!!!! (If someone else already thought of this, don't tell me - or I'm gonna cry and/or throw a temper tantrum.)

Have to back it up here for a minute to when I first got my eGo kit. As anyone who has one knows, it comes with a "flat" tip (like one of those skinny cigars would have or those "I'm so alluring and sexy" (not) cigarette holders, that people with lots more money than I have can afford. (Along with their "bejeweled" cigarette cases.) And of course the prefilled carts that came with the kit had the flat tips too. For me, that took some real getting used to - felt like I was smoking a cigar - and didn't really like the feel of it on my lips.

The very next day (or I think it was the next day - vaping is also causing a great deal of "fog" in my brain) - I placed an order for some accessories - along with a pkg. of prefilled cherry cartomizers and a pkg. of blank cartomizers. When the order arrived, there were no tips on them and I couldn't figure out how I was supposed to vape on them. Called my guy - "Rick" - and he said I didn't need a tip - OR - I could take one of my used thingys that came with the kit, pullthe stuffing out, pull the white thing out of the top of the cartomizer and insert the tip in there. Okay. Did it. Didn't like it, but I needed my nicotine!! (And the prefilled cherry was ohhhhhhh so good!)

I quickly tired of that though (if patience is a virtue, I missed the line I was supposed to be standing in when the higher power handed it out), so I just started vaping the cartomizer as it came - with the white thingy at the top. I liked the fact that it was round - seemed more like the "real deal" - but didn't like my lips on the metal (or whatever it is) black part. So today I went to change one of the cartomizers (still trying flavors), took the 2 soft, plastic end caps off the top & bottom of the empty one (that I was about to fill) and for a brief moment, I felt like I had two brain cells left! Why not cut off the closed end of one and then just slip my "creation" over the top of the black "thing". Lordy, lordy - happy days are here again!!!!! Round, nice and soft, easy on my lips, and definitely felt more like the dreaded cig!!

But - it gets better! That got me to thinking about all the smokers (and even a few quitters who are still teetering on the edge) who wanted to try my eGo over the past 6 days or so that I didn't care to swap spit with. (Sorry if that's a little crass. Don't forget: cranky old lady here.) I could now make disposable tips for them to try it and I don't have to worry about getting rickets; Rocky Mountain Spotted fever; malaria; TB; H1N1-Q1B1; leprosy; or any of the other things a rational, sane person would typically worry about. Good golly, Miss Molly! I felt like I had reinvented the wheel!!!

Then - my order of sample flavors arrived from PinkSpotFlavor. (If I didn't know better, I would think they're only two roads over. Talk about fast!!) I got my sample 6 pack - and with every order, you get two little free samples. (Mine were: Pink Spot and Tropical Breeze.) I've tried 2 so far (need to get more empty cartomizers before I can try the rest). Pink Spot - not sure what's in it, but it's a very pleasant taste - kind of like Hawaiian Punch - and the Dutch Apple Pie (YUM!) Oddly enough, there's something about the Dutch Apple Pie that not only tastes really good (like an actual piece of pie), but there's something else in there that makes it taste more like I'm smoking a cigarette.:confused: SO much so, that after my supper tonight, I did NOT have my have-to-have 1, 2, or 3, "I'm done eating" cigs. Yay!!!! Stunning - absolutely stunning! :blink:

The only real problem I had today was with my adult daughter. She came in and started playing around with my stuff! I told her, "MY toys! Get your OWN stuff to play with!!" She wouldn't stop touching MY stuff! Smelling all MY stuff. Pushing buttons on MY stuff. Trying out MY own personal inventions on MY stuff. (She should know better. She's almost 39 years old and she has NEVER been allowed to touch MY crayons or MY coloring books!) Did it stop her? No. She just kept right on touching MY stuff.:mad: She's lucky I love her - or I would have kicked her sorry .... right out the door! :mad:

I think tomorrow I need to make a HUGE sign to hang on my door: "DO NOT TOUCH MY STUFF. I HAVE A GUN AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT!!!!"

I guess I would rate today a - ummm - 5 out of 10. Not too shabby, right? :blink:
 

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The only real problem I had today was with my adult daughter. She came in and started playing around with my stuff! I told her, "MY toys! Get your OWN stuff to play with!!" She wouldn't stop touching MY stuff! Smelling all MY stuff. Pushing buttons on MY stuff. Trying out MY own personal inventions on MY stuff. (She should know better. She's almost 39 years old and she has NEVER been allowed to touch MY crayons or MY coloring books!) Did it stop her? No. She just kept right on touching MY stuff.:mad: She's lucky I love her - or I would have kicked her sorry .... right out the door! :mad:

I think tomorrow I need to make a HUGE sign to hang on my door: "DO NOT TOUCH MY STUFF. I HAVE A GUN AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT!!!!"

I guess I would rate today a - ummm - 5 out of 10. Not too shabby, right? :blink:

hehe this is so awesome. :laugh::laugh: Thank you for the smile at the end of a hard day. :toast:
 

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I guess I would rate today a - ummm - 5 out of 10. Not too shabby, right? :blink:

I'd say that's way better than "not too shabby"! You found a new flavor you like that's helping you with your done-eating cigs (that's a huge victory!), and you're making your eGo your own with your own mods!

And, you probably made Rick's day by calling him! :wub:
 

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Love the daily updates -- keep them coming.

And, mouth feel is important. You found a cool solution.

I really rolled my eyes when my early kit had a whistle tip (that flat tip) but had to use it while I waited for the mailman. OMG--I could never use this in public! By the time my package arrived a few days later my vaping style was developing and I couldn't stand the hard cartomizer feel and stayed away from cartomizers for a couple months.

I've continued to change!

Some (perhaps many) of us use what's called a drip tip on a carto for a few reasons. Mouth feel is certainly one. They range in s size, shape, price & materials used to make them. Most are in the $2-$3 range. One takes out the little white plastic thingy and uses the drip tip of choice as a mouthpiece. It is also very easy to remove for topping off (adding a few more drops to a waning cartridge) and you don't need to find a pick, paperclip, crochet needle or other pointy device to pull out the white thingy before topping off.

Maybe someday you will venture to drip tips. I really like the glass (high end) one I have but often use more economical ones---but not metal.
 

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Okay - what do I do with this puzzling thought?

I took a nap and got my headache to go away. I've been awake for awhile fiddling around with some stuff I needed to do.

Sat down - looked at my cigs - looked at my eGo - and thought to myself, "This is so annoying. I really just don't want to be bothered."

Hemmed and hawed. Picked up the eGo and vaped. Ick.

Picked up the cig, lit it, took a drag. Ick.

Thought about it some more and realized what my real problem is: an overwhelming fear of having to deal with the extremely uncomfortable experiences of going through nicotine withdrawal.:?:

So I "think" that means I don't "want" to smoke or vape. What the heck am I supposed to do with that? My addiction isn't going to magically go away by itself - and I don't think I have the stamina to get through withdrawal. (Change that to I know I don't.:()

Where are these thoughts coming from and what do I do with them?????????????

I swear I'm losing my mind! :blink:

yagotta i think that is a very good thing that you didn't do either at that moment. most likely it was simply your body (and mind :D) telling you that you've had enough nicotine. if you are getting headaches while vaping one possibility is that you're overdosing on nicotine...(in which your above post indicates your body is now giving you the old 'Danger Will Robinson' warning...)

also since you've found a dessert flavor you like for after meals...just as a test instead of grabbing a dessert you could simply vape your Dutch Apple Pie...there's quite a few people who have done this type of thing and lost weight in the process (unfortunately i haven't found a dessert flavor that i like...haven't really looked for one since i've been spending any money i've had recently on getting my 2 daughters' mission trips paid for ... good thing to do but it ain't cheap lol)
 

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    t started vaping the cartomizer as it came - with the white thingy at the top. I liked the fact that it was round - seemed more like the "real deal" - but didn't like my lips on the metal (or whatever it is) black part. So today I went to change one of the cartomizers (still trying flavors), took the 2 soft, plastic end caps off the top & bottom of the empty one (that I was about to fill) and for a brief moment, I felt like I had two brain cells left! Why not cut off the closed end of one and then just slip my "creation" over the top of the black "thing". Lordy, lordy - happy days are here again!!!!! Round, nice and soft, easy on my lips, and definitely felt more like the dreaded cig!!

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    I agree with the eGo being a great starter, it was my second PV (i'm odd, my provari was my first... the eGo is my backup/loaner). But I have discovered that no tobacco juices match the real thing close enough to make me happy (think veggie burger vs real thing... some of them are quite good, but its apples and oranges and trying to imitate something is more difficult than being original IMO) so I just avoid plain tobacco flavors. I would suggest trying other things that are further from what you are used to.
     

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    yagotta,

    Hang in there... I promise it will get easier! One thing that saved my vaping life was to blow the vapor out of my nose! I was very happily surprised by how much this changed the experience for me. It not only improves taste but improves the nicotine absorption also as the membranes in your nose can sop up some of that nic for your brain :)
     

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    Well folks, I'm afraid I have some sad news from this "vaper wanna-be".:( My vaping has been put on hold for awhile. Just how long, I can't say for sure. I am so incredibly disappointed, but something went hay wire along the way and until I can figure out exactly what happened, the vaping has to stop.:(

    I'll do a little recap here and then add the more recent events.

    As some of you know, my eGo arrived a week ago last Thursday - which began my journey into the world of vaping. I was so excited, but also very confused. With the help of you folks here - and Rick at EcigBestSave - I finally figured out what was in my package (for the most part) and how to use it (for the most part). I began vaping that afternoon, with the prefilled USA red mix carts that came with the kit. Right away I didn't like the "nothingness" of that flavor (well - actually there wasn't any flavor), learned here that my complaint was a common one, and went on to place another order via Rick for some 26mg. cherry cartomizers. Due to the 4th of July holiday being that coming Monday, I didn't get the cherry flavor until Tuesday, the 5th. Meanwhile I continued to use the USA mix, was frustrated by the lack of "anything", but kept at it. I was still smoking regular cigs as well - although quite a bit less than I normally would. I chugged water like crazy (having been told I would need to do that), struggled a bit with some headaches and "bathroom issues", but nothing serious enough to back away from the whole concept.

    Tuesday arrived, I began using the cherry flavored cartomizers and loved the taste! :) Still couldn't totally eliminate the cigs though, but eventually figured out this wasn't a "race". Since my funds are extremely limited (and rolling my own cigs were costing me less than $2 a pack and I had plenty of supplies here), I opted to purchase a sample kit of several flavors to see if I could find "just the right one" that would satisfy me enough that my eGo would definitely be preferable to my cigs. Samples arrived on Thursday and I was very impressed with the Dutch apple pie. Something in that flavoring really reminded me of actually smoking, so I was using that flavor more often than the cherry - with the occasional cigs here and there (mostly first thing in the morning with my coffee). I thought everything was going well - until I noticed late Friday that I was starting to get a little sick to my stomach and was getting a headache again. Rather than end up with a full blown headache, I decided to go to bed earlier than I normally would.

    Two hours after I fell asleep, I woke up rather abruptly in serious pain. I wasn't sure if I was having a heart attack or the worst case of acid reflux/heartburn in the history of mankind. I wasn't sweating though - and I thought I remembered reading somewhere that when you're having a heart attack you sweat profusely - so I stumbled out of bed and found a packet of Alka Seltzer. (The only packet I had.) So I put one tablet in 4 ounces of lukewarm water, sat in my chair, and sipped it slowly. After a bit, the pain let up enough to the point where I felt I could rule out the heart attack, so I took a mild sedative I have on hand (for claustrophobia and other issues) and went back to bed. Woke up Saturday morning and was so gosh darn sick, the heart attack was starting to look good.:( Severe intestinal cramps; severe bathroom issues; severe nausea; pounding headache; and my stomach felt like a horse had kicked me in the gut. Coffee and cigs were a no-go; vaping was a no-go; wanting to lay down and die was a "bring it on".

    I kept trying to get up and do something - anything - but nothing was working right. At one point I rushed into the bathroom (thought I was going to heave), caught my toe on something (either broke it or sprained it badly), fell backwards and slammed my shoulder into the door jamb. I crawled into bed. Tried to sleep but couldn't - even though I was exhausted. Tried to read, I couldn't. Got up and tried to vape, I couldn't. Tried to drink some water, I couldn't. Tried to smoke, I couldn't. Tried to eat, I couldn't. Basically I just spent 99% of Satuday laying on my bad, in the bathroom (trying to heave or "other), or slumped in my chair. I spent a lot of time praying for something - anything - to improve. It didn't. Eventually I called it quits and went to bed for the night.

    Woke up yesterday morning - repeat of Saturday - (minus the toe and shoulder incident) - except I was able to have a couple of cups of coffee and a couple of cigs. Tried to vape once (the Dutch apple pie) and immediately wanted to heave. That was the end of that. No more vaping for the rest of the day or evening. When the nic cravings got too bad, I had a few puffs of a cig and then put it out. My daughter came wandering in, I told her my tale of woe and she wondered the same thing I was wondering - "Was it the changing of flavors?" It seems that up until I did that, I was doing pretty well - nothing bothersome enough to decide I wasn't going to vape at all. :confused: She suggested that I go back to square one. Stop vaping entirely for a week - or at least until several days had passed without any issues - and if I could afford it, order some more of the cherry cartomizers (from Rick) and when they arrived, use only them for 2 or 3 weeks - no other flavors. I was so miserable at that point, I was agreeable to just about anything.:(

    Woke up this morning, only 2 "bathroom issues" (not as bad as over the weekend), had my coffee, had my cigs with it, and have smoked - rather than vape - all day long. All the other "nastys" seem to be gone, so I'm really leaning towards the idea that it had something to do with the flavorings.

    Tomorrow I have to pay all of my bills for this month - will see what's left and then try to order some more of the 26mg cherry cartomizers from EcigBestSave. (Don't want to try the other place where I got the samples just in case their flavorings don't agree with me. Nothing against the company - I just happen to have a very, very sensitive digestive system.)

    After I have been symptom-free for a week (maybe less) and I can return to the cherry flavor, I will start all over again - a "second-hand" newbie. Till then, I'm feeling pretty down in the dumps - but so glad I'm not that sick anymore. I could not have taken that for more than a couple of days.

    Is this where I get kicked out of the club? :(
     

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    Nope, no kicking out here, but anyone is free to leave for any length of time.

    While it may look like we are all on the same journey, each path is an adventure and unique.

    Thankfully, here, there will be somebody who's been across your path, or near enough, to suggest what may lie ahead.

    A reset seems like a wise move to me. Isolate the issue so it can be addressed. Until you know, you won't know what you don't know.
     
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