Maxx Fusion Cartomizer Autopsy and Parts Explenation

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Rift

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I continue to be so jealous of the wick length I see in other's pics. None of my wicks were anywhere near that long, in fact, most just barely spanned the tube. That laborer assembling mine was heavy on the adhesive, and short on the wick...



They are using prefills and don't refill, right? It's probably just a matter of using different descriptive terms, but I'd describe a carto that starts to run out as tasting a bit like dry cardboard but the flavor is still fine. For me, when the taste became "weak" it was the precursor to the decline into foulness. Could you ask them if it was weak or dry? I wouldn't expect weak to occur on the first fill, then again those pics show worse damage to the silicone than I've seen, and if the silicone causes the foulness...

By weak they mean the taste is no longer as strong as it was when the carto was fresh. Thats about the best description I can get out of them =/

I should reiterate that there was no burning taste experienced with that carto. But as you can see some things are burning under normal use due to the way things are positioned. As the picture also shows the carto was not dry either.

Oh and that silicone sleeve was not as burnt as it looks in that picture. I noted that one area that looks really burnt was mildly singed.
 

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So apparently my dad has been refilling one cartomizer along with his normal usage of prefilled Bloogs to see what the experience was like.

He has been using V4L WOW Kamel with a small amount of Velvet Vapors Buttered Rum mixed in.

This is a cartomizer I got a hold of today that he has been rotating in between his prefilleds for the past 2 weeks and has now finally started to taste bad and burnt.

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I'm pretty amazed with this one it seems to have held up extremely well. Aside from the melted silicone sleeve the cartomizer exhibited no other damage. I'm not extremely happy with the silicone part, and I do think that area and the adhesive need to be looked into.

I'm showing the wick just to show what a clogged and caramelized wick looks like after being used for an extended period. Also note the coil position compared to the previous set of images. This one is nicely in the center the way it should be.
 

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Once again, amazing images. The macro capability of the lens on that Sony rivals $600 dedicated SLR macro lenses.

The photographer didn't do a half-bad job either. :)

Nicely done.

Carl Zeiss Vario Sonar ftw! Hehe thanks again for the compliments. I should have through about using this camera sooner before I shot the original set of images.

eeek, it looks like some creepy little blood-sucking insect from another planet.

its coming to get youuuuuuuuuu! runnnnnnnnnn ahhhhhhhhhh
 

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hey Rift? forgive me if you've mentioned this before, but are those pictures from a blank or a prefilled? I'm wondering if it makes a difference when I hear people having bad experiences with blanks. I've not tried blanks, just the prefilled and refill those.

hey starsong, i know the question is for rift, but wanted to share that i've had the burnt carto issue with both blanks and prefilled...
 

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Awww, thanks Gardner, that's very sweet!

SweetPuff, this might not be the right time or place, and maybe you aren't the right girl or I'm not the right guy, or maybe this isn't the right forum or the right subforum or even the right thread, and I am not expecting or asking anything from you but I just have to say it.

I love your avatar. There. I've said it.
 

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I'm pretty amazed with this one it seems to have held up extremely well. Aside from the melted silicone sleeve the cartomizer exhibited no other damage. I'm not extremely happy with the silicone part, and I do think that area and the adhesive need to be looked into.

I wish I had a camera that could do such nice macro shots... Based on my observations, I'm not surprised it held up ok. These things are generally built like tanks. Other than that one scorch I had on the fiberglass(?) tube, which I have no idea how that could happen unless it's a coating, I've seen no signs of burnt fillings.

It's only the adhesive and the silicone that have a problem. That's about what the sleeve looked like in the one I chopped up the other day: big scorches from the wires, except mine had melted a divot in the tapered end. It's probably seen ~2.5 weeks of duty with at most 10ml (a far cry from how many times a lot people claim). I cut the whole tapered end off, bad taste almost entirely gone again, and it's limping along on its last leg. I can't really remove anymore silicone because there's not a lot left, and I'd risk of the wires shorting on the shell.

I'm showing the wick just to show what a clogged and caramelized wick looks like after being used for an extended period. Also note the coil position compared to the previous set of images. This one is nicely in the center the way it should be.

Yup, they get pretty tasty looking. They start charring in less than a week.
 

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I can't thank DeeLeeKay enough for sending a 5-pack of cartos. I was down to only one functioning bloog, so she helped in the nick of time. My wife and I have our own cartos again. :)

However... I must say QC on these things leave a lot to be desired. With my now infamous original 10 cartos, the resistance was consistently 2.5-2.6. The resistance of these new 5 were not so consistent. Dismayingly most varied under moderate pressure on the battery tip. I discovered this when some of the cartos wouldn't work, or work reliably, unless threaded so lightly they wiggled a lot. Two of them had a stinging rancid acidic taste.

3.5, 3.1-3.9 under pressure
2.4 consistent
2.5, 2.5-2.8 under pressure
2.6, 1.1-2.8 under pressure
2.5, 0.9-2.6 under pressure

For the ohms to drop as much as they did on the last two, the battery tip wire must have been bowing to the point of almost shorting on the shell or the other wire.

I really didn't feel like taking them apart, so I looked through them with my (well, my wife's) trusty 30X loupe. I could see that: 3 of the cartos had the coil way off to the side; 1 coil was centered but the coil was loose and one of the leads crossed back over the coils; the coil wasn't even visible in one of the cartos... Sigh.

Yes, I took them apart... It's not fun anymore. I wasted 2.5 hours of my evening. Three of them looked like Rift's pic where part of the coil was actually in the slit of the tube. One them had the coil just completely against the side of the tube. The coil was actually completely outside the tube on one! I'm sure that would have tasted really good soon. On the plus side, the wicks were long enough to easily span the tube unlike my original cartos.

The adhesive was nothing like my original cartos. Not one had anywhere near as much adhesive. Most had a small paper thin ring, instead of a fat thick ring. One had just barely enough to adhere to the silicone sleeve and the inwards pulled out with little pressure. I didn't have to swivel the tube to release it. One had virtually no adhesive and the innards just pulled right out. At first I thought I reopened one again, but I hadn't.

The wicks look completely different than after being used for a while. It almost has the same appearance as the tube's braiding, which means it's probably fiberglass too. If true, I'm not sure I like the possibility of breathing in shards of fiberglass, but the coil should be holding it all together. The juice gums things up so that should help too.

I managed to get 3 of them to be consistently 2.4-2.6 and they seem to work reasonably well, although there is noticeable variance in the taste of identical liquids. Two of them are still unusably rancid, but one of them is 2.2 and the other still drops precipitously under pressure. I'll probably mess with them some more when I have nothing better to do.

I really like the way these cartos hit, or I wouldn't keep doing this. At this point, I can't recommend these to my friends who would expect me to mess with them and it's getting to be a waste of my time. Oh please, oh please, let the next batch be better and/or come out with the filler-less carto that was hinted in another post...
 

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Yup the amount of adhesive applied seems to vary greatly, as does the coil position. At least that's what iv gathered from the ones I took apart as you can see in the pics.
Did you have any with burned polyfill like the ones with the coils off to the side? I haven't noticed a great variation in the ohms so far most were in the original specified ranges with a few around the 3.0 mark.

I'm grateful for now that the ones my folks have are working well and between the two of them they have over 50. That and the v4l WOW Kamel have them pretty set with no problems.

Now if only we could hear something from Leaford. Because that silicone needs a looking at its definitely not happy with the temperatures. Id also like a little more details on the center casing and what it might be coated in.
 
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