I really hope that the adhesive issue are going to be resolve soon enough. I still going to order some stuff from bloog because of their have one of the best customer service I've ever dealt with in e-cig world, and i have read only good words about Maxx Fusion, although I didn't like KR-8 platform myself (that includes some riva's kr-8 based, vgo, and so on).
Maxx Fusion Cartomizer Autopsy and Parts Explenation
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very good questions... I'd be interested in knowing if other brand cartos use adhesive too. I don't expect all the materials to be the same because they are different designs, which is what makes the MF better.
Glad to see this post is helping people a bit and possibly giving Leaford another angle to look at the burnt carto issue.
Unfortunately I have no experience taking any other cartos apart because the only ones I have had dealings with are the Maxx Fusion ones. To my knowledge what makes the BMF cartos so special is the inner casing because it encloses the wick and keeps the polyfill as far away as it can from the wick to prevent burning. That's not to say you can't overheat the coil and start burning certain things. But the inner casing and wick wont burn.
Regarding the adhesive according to others (not me since I have no experience with other brands) they are being compared to Kangers. There have been some reports that the internal makeup of the BMF cartos, and Kangers is pretty similar if not almost identical. There has also been a report that there was no such adhesive found in the Kanger.
There hasn't been enough testing to cement the adhesive as being the sole issue regarding the burning, and bad tasting cartos. This still needs to be looked into a lot more. I will however say that this thread, and the one by cryx have shown a somewhat inconsistent application of this adhesive. Some cartomizers seem to be receiving a lot more then others. The ones receiving more could be having an issue if the adhesive is being spread to places it shouldn't be upon assembly. Again tho there is going to have to be more testing regarding the adhesive.
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I really think we need to wait for Leaford's input here. We really have no way of knowing what exactly is going on. First is was plastic being inhaled, now it is adhesive. I think we all need to just take a breather and wait for someone who actually knows about the materials in question.
I still question as to wether or not there is an adhesive problem. There is not much different if any in the adhesive of a brand new carto and a heavily used one.
Let's be patient and stop jumping to conclusions.
I still question as to wether or not there is an adhesive problem. There is not much different if any in the adhesive of a brand new carto and a heavily used one.
Let's be patient and stop jumping to conclusions.
Oh its definitely an adhesive I have no doubt about that. I have stated tho that I don't know what exactly it is, and that its a question better left to Leaford since he is at the factory where this stuff is assembled. I can also firmly say that just by looking at what was inside mine and comparing it to the other images iv seen both here, and on another forum, there is somewhat of an inconsistency in how much of this adhesive is going in there. You can see it pretty clearly from my picture of the center casing. I cut away one half to show where my carto had its adhesive placed. Mine was on the inside out of site while the others that have been shown have a pretty large amount of it on the outside.
As iv said a few times I am coming to no conclusions with this, my only intent was to better educate people on the inside of the device there using, and to possibly give Leaford a little more information then he previously had. I make no firm statements that the adhesive is the cause of the problem.
I didn't say it wasn't an adhesive. I am saying that we maybe jumping to conclusions that the burning problem is the adhesive.
Semantics! Argument Diffusion! Let's Move On! Hehe.
I'd bet Leaford has read into the general basis of the problem as figured through these threads and is currently stomping around the factory to instate a fix. At which point he would be able to face us with a positive plan already in place and chugging along, rather than mere promises to have it looked into!
I'd bet Leaford has read into the general basis of the problem as figured through these threads and is currently stomping around the factory to instate a fix. At which point he would be able to face us with a positive plan already in place and chugging along, rather than mere promises to have it looked into!
I've dissected v4l cartos, no adhesive, and I've read other autopsies, watched youtube videos, and found no adhesive. Just filler. Doesn't mean no other manufacturer's cartos have adhesive, but it's apparently not the norm. Just like my problematic cartos are apparently not the norm.
Makes me grin ear to ear too! I'm really glad someone is looking out for us.
I'll take this chance to publicly thank Rift for being so open-minded while I was being pilloried. I'm by no means belittling the efforts of many other kind people in the threads. Rift stepped up and collected data that helped identify the inconsistencies in the product, which led to me discovering the adhesive is the problem with my cartos. I can now see myself continuing to be a Bloog customer (assuming the problem is fixed!) thanks to Rift's contributions.
Oh yes, that's more or less the image I had. I fantasize him acting like Steve Jobs!
BTW...
I just fixed a second carto. Last week, my wife apparently chucked them in the trash under the kitchen sink because I found it sitting near the can. Before anyone razzes, I sterilized it with alcohol. I then completely rinsed the wrappings out & refilled with cowboy menthol. Still had that odd nasty taste. So I cut the adhesive off the tube and the silicon sleeve. Just like the 1st one, wow oh wow, it's now heavenly bliss! I just can't put it down.
It's her favorite flavor, so now maybe she'll stop being jealous of the one I already fixed and stopping bugging me to buy those "other" cartos. Assuming I can resist the urge to silently hoard it for myself...
BTW...
I just fixed a second carto. Last week, my wife apparently chucked them in the trash under the kitchen sink because I found it sitting near the can. Before anyone razzes, I sterilized it with alcohol. I then completely rinsed the wrappings out & refilled with cowboy menthol. Still had that odd nasty taste. So I cut the adhesive off the tube and the silicon sleeve. Just like the 1st one, wow oh wow, it's now heavenly bliss! I just can't put it down.
It's her favorite flavor, so now maybe she'll stop being jealous of the one I already fixed and stopping bugging me to buy those "other" cartos. Assuming I can resist the urge to silently hoard it for myself...
+1.
Well, I do... Do you know what kind of adhesive it is? How heat-resistant? Besides, the adhesive theory doesn't explain why the cartos don't work well with VG juices, at least for some users.
I've been taking cartomizers apart for almost a year and I assure you that just mere presence of a substance that looks like adhesive of some kind doesn't automatically explain anything. As Leaford is fond of saying, a cartomizer is a system. This Bloog system still has some problems, somewhere, but I don't know what they are.
I really hope that Leaford will share his thoughts with us soon.
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Ummm Iv kinda stated a bunch of times already that I don't know exactly what it is. Not sure how many more times ill have to say it. This is something I'm looking to find out as well. Along with what exactly the center casing is made of. Unfortunately I don't have a Mass Spectrometer in my arsenal of tools to come to these answers myself.
I said its definitely an adhesive because its clearly holding the center casing to the silicone o-ring. But I did not say this was definitely the cause of the problem. I just said that it might be an area to look at in regards to the issue because its so close to the atty. I did observe that some cartomizers have more of this adhesive then others. Cryx took it upon himself to experiment with his cartomizer which had quite a bit more then mine. According to him removing this adhesive fixed his problems.
But again I'm not stating this is the definitive problem to anything. I just noticed something and pointed it out. I have been patiently awaiting Leafords input as well. When he gets the chance I'm sure he will post. Hes clearly been busy back at the factory with there next massive shipment of stock.
A have not come to any definitive conclusions other then the fact there is a discrepancy in how much of this adhesive is applied to each carto. I'm merely passing along that information.
A quick note ... I only disassembled 2 cartos, a BMF and a V4l. I tossed them out after I burn tested all the parts I found .... but I dont remember there being any adhesive on the one I took apart. Certainly not enough to pool at the bottom of the carto and form a ring. I did start a new one yesterday which had an "Off" taste ..... gonna take that one apart later today.
Did you contact the customer service ppl at bloog? could be there was a bad batch that made it thru their QA .... they would prolly replace all your bad ones for you.
Did you contact the customer service ppl at bloog? could be there was a bad batch that made it thru their QA .... they would prolly replace all your bad ones for you.
Thank you. I'm glad you were able to get your cartos squared away.
The amount applied seems to vary. In my pic the one I took apart had the adhesive on the inside somewhat out of sight.
My folks have had no issues with burning taste in there cartomizers, so I haven't really had a need to call in regarding that.
ah .... I was refering to those who seem to have found so much of the adhesive that it formed a ring, and consequently causing a burning taste.
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