Mechs ohm laws wire choice is over whelming

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Naw I am grateful to the ones who didn't post a meme or make a wise as comment thank you did show me i was doing ohm law right

Some things are clear others are not

But know that my batterys are safe above .2 i know that I can pretty much start experiment

Just want to find my omg feels like I dripped the juice in .my mouth it's perfect build now and not later

I have read this thread and I've mostly seen no builds other then the gauges and wraps I've stated I've gotten explanations about gauges and that works

But as far as heatflux still don't get it no value i change on steam changes the heatflux this confusion on that

I look at that with vape tool probably should get the pro as looks like that is a simpler heatflux

Jeez, stop, just stop.
When using a mechanical base everything on 4.2v, as has been said too many times to count.
If you're using something that automatically uses 3.7v when mech is selected, it isn't something that should be used or will be accurate.
If you are selecting 3.7v, no one can help...

If you started with & understand the basics & basic builds, heat flux becomes a useful tool when experimenting with & modeling unfamiliar builds.
If you have no grasp of the basics,,, more confusion & frustration.

The 'perfect build' starting from scratch takes all of us time, patience, practice, experimentation and a solid working knowledge of what we are doing and why.
No one can tell you what your 'perfect build' will be, it is all a matter of personal preferences. Those you have to experiment with tons of variables to find.
 
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Have been eyeing a entheon clone and that new blitz ghoul rda as I know I can use the same coils I do in my reload I got every Clapton from avs and kp in 10 packs

I got 100 bucks invested I'm not giving up just trying not to spend any more money or waste

Hopefully you'll be able to take your own advice.



Throwing more money at your problem will not fix it. Your materials aren't the issue here.
 

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I mean to put above but I was blindly tapping predictive text while coughing my face off

Above .2 and my 20700s safe

Still don't know how many wraps to try first with this 26g I really hate wasting cotton and in this case wire

I don't want to experiment

I watched tutorials on steam still don't get heat flux not my fault I'm ......ed

You know what the Problem is? You Don't want to Experiment.

With a Regulated Mod, you can put Just About any build in it that the Mod will fire and get a Decent Hit by Adjusting the Wattage Up or Down.

But that Not How a Mech Works. Every "Adjustment" on a Mech requires a New Build. And you might need to try a Dozen Builds before you find what you like Best.

You're Not a ....... You just seem to be Stuck because you are Unwilling to try Different Builds.

That, and you Want a Single Battery Mech to drive High Mass Dual Coils, something that a Single Battery Mech has a Hard Time doing. That, and it sounds like you are trying to Squeeze a Bunch a Flavor out of an RDA that design more to Blow Clouds than for Flavor.

None of this would be Happening, and there wouldn't be a Need to 295 Posts, if you had gotten a Regulated Squonker. But you Didn't. So you have to Work with what you have.

And that means doing Build After Build until you have tried Everything. And if you Still Can't get the Hit you want, you buy a Regulated Squonker and Move On. Or you just Don't use a Squonker.
 

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Got the rabbit because it was highly recommended for its flavor

I have been sick and working 90hours a week so I haven't had time to wrap some coils yet I like vape tool I understand that

Steam engine never shows me ohms heatflux nothing it literally just stays blank for me no matter how many times I try to use it and change numbers lap top pc mobile it don't work for me so I can't grasp heatflux
 
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Got the rabbit because it was highly recommended for its flavor

I have been sick and working 90hours a week so I haven't had time to wrap some coils yet I like vape tool I understand that

Steam engine never shows me ohms heatflux nothing it literally just stays blank for me no matter how many times I try to use it and change numbers lap top pc mobile it don't work for me so I can't grasp heatflux

I just want to make sure I understand your logic here.

1) You know how to make a safe build
2) You don't want to test a safe build and draw your own conclusions on heatflux because you don't want to waste money (wire/coil is expensive???)
3) You want to buy an entheon clone or blitz ghoul rda because this will solve your heatflux questions?
 

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I can't help that when I change values on steam engine the numbers stay exactly the same

Then Screw Steam Engine.

And go back to how I and about 500,000 other people did it before Steam Engine even existed.

Get out your 26ga NiChrome. Put 9 wraps on a 3mm Rod. Mount the Coil. Measure it. Write the Ohms/Wraps down on a 3 -x- 5 Card. If the Coil is Safe to use, try it.

Don't Like it? Do a New Coil with One Less Wrap. And repeat everything above.

You are Too Hung Up on the entire Heat Flux thing. And should ONLY be concerned right now with How a Coil Actually Tastes.
 

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OK you seem to have come back to your senses a bit so here is what I was going to post. Take it for what you will.

We have told you repeatedly, that the more mass of wire you have the cooler the vape will be. This is why we keep pushing you toward a single coil setup. Obviously 2 coils is going to be more wire than 1 coil, right?

OK so here is my suggestion, take your 26ga Ni80, wrap it 6 times around a 2mm diameter jig and use a SINGLE coil. That will have you vaping at around 35 watts which should be a warm vape.

If you insist on using dual coils, then using the same wire, make 2 coils, 7 wraps each on the same 2mm jig.

Try that and let us know how it is.
 

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Forget heat flux. Ignore it ever came up. Keep your builds over 0.3 ohm. Use whatever software you like to be sure you know how many wraps to use and then double check with an ohm meter or regulated mod that displays resistance. Keep building different coils until you stumble on one that you like.

As to wire and cotton waste, well, that's a pretty lousy argument as 100 ft of wire is $5 with shipping from Temco and a bag of 100 cotton pads is less than $10 on Amazon. If wasting a few dollars of wire and cotton is deterring you from experimenting then mechs are not for you.
 

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I paid 12 bucks for this trying not to spend alot for a bit I had to fix the car so tapped out till the 1st
 

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OK you seem to have come back to your senses a bit so here is what I was going to post. Take it for what you will.

We have told you repeatedly, that the more mass of wire you have the cooler the vape will be. This is why we keep pushing you toward a single coil setup. Obviously 2 coils is going to be more wire than 1 coil, right?

OK so here is my suggestion, take your 26ga Ni80, wrap it 6 times around a 2mm diameter jig and use a SINGLE coil. That will have you vaping at around 35 watts which should be a warm vape.

If you insist on using dual coils, then using the same wire, make 2 coils, 7 wraps each on the same 2mm jig.

Try that and let us know how it is.

2 coils 2id 7 wraps =.283 will give that a try I normally dig 3 ids
 

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I paid 12 bucks for this trying not to spend alot for a bit I had to fix the car so tapped out till the 1st

If you use 6 inches of wire per coil experiment, that is 200 coils worth. Even with experimenting you shouldn't need to buy more for a while, unless you need to change gauges or wire type.
 
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Fifty, I mean this with all the niceness I can muster, if you are feeling that ill, is now the exact second to be experimenting right now? I know you spent money and invested a lot of time, but I have found that a) when I am that ill, I don't always do my "best work" as it were, and make errors I otherwise wouldn't and b) I don't taste/sense things well when I am sick. I don't want you to skip over what might be YOUR best build because you feel awful, are coughing, and not smelling and tasting well.

Maybe let all this information just stew in your brain for a while, and come back to it when you are feeling better? It also kind of makes sense (being sick) why you got upset/lost patience.

Really, you have your equipment and you have known builds you enjoy on a regulated mod. Just do THAT until you feel better. I know it's annoying, and I have setups I have put aside for various reasons (including frustration, like the Doggystyle, which everyone loves but I have the WORST time with and I really want to vape it). I always have the opportunity to go back to it when I'm ready, you know?

Setting up a mech and finding a great vape, you really want to be at your best for that.

I agree with everyone about just building "safe" builds then testing them on your mech (and also a single coil RDA, you can get a good if not Great clone for about $13 or less, probably) to test out your builds without the distraction of dual coil.

It has been said repeatedly that dual coils don't shine on a single battery mod, I would start thinking about that, because I think your frustration is coming from a LOT of things, including the complication of a dual build on your first mech. Heck, I find dual builds difficult, period. I am more MTL than you, but you can achieve a good, even great result with a single coil and the right build on that deck, probably a better build than you will get initially with a dual build (which is also a WHOLE LOT more work for testing builds.)

I sincerely hope you feel better, and my advice would be right now to take care of your health, not worry about your mech.

Anna
 

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2 coils 2id 7 wraps =.283 will give that a try I normally dig 3 ids

Good now we are getting somewhere. Let us know how that works for you.

I still really think you are going to be happier with a single coil build. Single coils are warmer (less mass than dual), cheaper (one coil per build instead of two and half the wire and half the wicking), and easier (less work, and less math). JMHO though.
 

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What do you mean measure the coil? I don't own a ruler a drill or hammer

9 wrap 3id should be .9 for dual it should be close to .4 hopefully they fit but I'm way to sick to try I can't vape with out coughing like crazy will report how 9 wrap works

Sorry.

I should have said "Measure the Resistance" of the Coil.
 

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Yeah I probably will end up selling this rabbit first day I had flavor was great since not so much even with my favorite Claptons for my reload just sucks to buy for 45 and get rid of it not even a month into it

And single coil prob would suck for this i got a framed staple that's enormous that might work tho

Never liked 2 or 2.5id tho no flavor and spaced coils never improve flavor either I must be a crackhead
 
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