Merged old sticky threads (7)

[Mik_Janty]

Hey, thanks for replying Mik! I thought Janty wasnt going to touch this thread by the lack of response initially. Unfortunately though, I tried your suggestion already and am getting so little vapor and kick, its not even worth the juice Im loading it up with.

Seeing as I had 8 complete 510s that Ill never use since the Janty Stick completely spoiled me (thanks for that), I traded a complete 510 to a friend that stopped vaping due to hardware fustrations. I traded for 2 nearly dead 801 atomizers, have no idea where he got them.

What I did was load up a cheap jewlery cleaner with white vinegar and put it on high. Left one of the two dead atomizers in the wash for 10 minutes. After that I put it in a hot water wash, also in the jewlery cleaner for 10 minutes. Lots of black chunks in both baths. Then I blew it out and held it in front of a hair dryer for a few minutes to get the moisture out. Put three drops on the atty, crap, I completely killed it. Then I put 2 more drops on it, and BAM! Almost enough to make me cough! Sigh of relief, first drag was enough to curb the cravings I was having all day. Resistance on the non Janty atty before I did this was 10.2, its now 3.1 and hitting sooooo good.

I did the same to the other atomizer from the trade with identical results. So Im ecstatic with no more nic fits and two extra atomizers, my friend is happy with the 510, order restored in the universe!

Back to the Janty atomizer, resistance on that sucker is 5.6, which doesnt seem that bad to me, but its really quite pathetic compared to the ressurected atomizers. Im not going to clean that one and just wait until it dies completely since theres a 6 mo warranty and im less than a month into it. Wish I knew what happened to it. I do vape quite a bit, but taste buds have come back enough to know when the atty is dry and I correct that condition immediately. I do notice little black specs on the cart, so I imagine its going to meet the same fate as the non janty dead 801s.

Note: This cleaning method was not approved by Janty and will more than likely void the warranty, so best to take the warranty claim if you still have time left.

Hey Nepenthy;

No worries, its not that we dont want to touch this thread, we are just busy; but yes, you wont find us telling you "this is the official way of cleaning an atomizer"..

The only thing i ever do is blow with my mouth - and some atomizers ARE just born bad, unfortunately. It all depends on where you buy them - if you buy janty, you usually ( I want to say all the time, but noone is perfect ) get good atomizers that works their best, - if you buy elsewhere, well.. its anyones guess. Ive had 3rd part atomizers (801) kick the living crap out of me, and ive had some i couldnt even suck on for some reason.

The only way ive ever tried cleaning, and this is NOT recommended by Janty but just a personal note, that worked for me was to drop an atomizer in a glass of fresh coke, and let it stay for 2 hours, then take it out, rinse with water, let it dry by _itself_, then give it _MILD_ hairdrier, and then blow out - and that woke a few 901's back to life again.

But i will not recommend it, i will not say it works, and this is only from me as a private person to you; I have tried it, it did work, but i cant guarantee you any results, and it will void your warranty. You should also know that i killed a 801 atomizer completely this way.

So... Good luck.

 

[Mik_Janty]

That would not be appropriate conduct in a thread in the forum of a vendor with a track record of providing its customers with the level of excellence and quality that Janty does. Feel free to PM me with any questions though.

I am excited about this device because there aren't many "new" things I can think of that haven't been done. So "two new features" is significant, and probably going to make this a device I'm interested in.

.. its itching in me to post the picture and reveal the two words as;

"Make your purse lighter" and a fully "splendid way of spending your money".

But.. that would be cruel, and im not cruel. (and no, those are not the features.. =)

 

[quovadis]

Mik
it's a question of ethics and morals in doing business.

Maybe we are not doing business?

I understand you mean well...I hopw we can all trust you the future next time you cry wolf.

 

[Mik_Janty]

IMHO the problem is a thread titled Cameo revealed in less than 24 hours. This says it will be revealed in 24 hours. If your going to post a thread promising something then you should deliver it. It seems to me that you are doing nothing more than attempting to get people more and more interested in the drama of the unveiling. Why not have the thread Cameo revealed in less than 24 weeks. That would have been more truthful for your customers.

The title was made when i was told i could reveal it. Then i was told otherwise. End of story. We are truthful, as everyone who reads this thread can clearly see, so lets relax a bit shall we?

This is not a 3 hour labor job with a dremel and a metal tube, - it takes time, and we thought it could be a fun way of kickstarting the hype about the Cameo - but unfortunately events lead us to the point where we had to delay it. We are trying to correct this as fast as we can.

But if it will make you any happier, i will go and change the title now.

update: I cant change the title...*sigh* - but atleast i tried.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Mik
it's a question of ethics and morals in doing business.

Maybe we are not doing business?

I understand you mean well...I hopw we can all trust you the future next time you cry wolf.

The way i see it, Janty is the very definition of ethics and moral in this thread; We make a contest, we deliver prizes. We then encounter an issue with the product that we wish to correct before we tell you about some parts of it, that could be altered to fix this issue. We then tell you, the forum, about this openly.

That is being honest, having ethics, and displaying moral.

If we were to show it to you, tell you that it has this and that, and this, and then two weeks later put it on the market, without this, and thats being changed, and this has also been changed; THEN we would be dishonest, and show a lack of ethics and moral.

 

[quovadis]

Mik
the way you have handled this particular situation is not ethical.
Regardless of what new features you will add or not to the new device..

We are all human beings here, and we lose trust in each other if we do not DO what we say we will DO.
How do you expect us to believe you when the cameo is out for pre-order?
Cried wolf once.

I hope the new product is thoroughly tested before you place it up for sale, so we do not have to return products on warranty.

It costs us time and money.

Thanks
Quo

 

[TDM]

The title was made when i was told i could reveal it. Then i was told otherwise. End of story. We are truthful, as everyone who reads this thread can clearly see, so lets relax a bit shall we?

This is not a 3 hour labor job with a dremel and a metal tube, - it takes time, and we thought it could be a fun way of kickstarting the hype about the Cameo - but unfortunately events lead us to the point where we had to delay it. We are trying to correct this as fast as we can.

But if it will make you any happier, i will go and change the title now.

update: I cant change the title...*sigh* - but atleast i tried.

Nuff said.

 

[Mik_Janty]

I think Janty, and all others, need to focus on using power sources that are freely available and design an atomizer that works with those power sources. 9 volt, AA, and AAA battery sources. I think a 9 volt battery model would fit the Janty Stick design.

Long lasting atomizers + available power source = Great consumer device.

Hey Disman,

There are alot of problems with using "freely available power sources". If we were to use 9 volts, we would have to reduce that voltage ( or fry the liquid ) - which would be wasted. If we were to make the JS or any other device so it could use off the shelf batteries, disposable ones, that could be an environmental disaster; Consider in 5 years from now, if 20% of all smokers went for e-cigarettes. In America that would be what .. 10 million people'ish?

Imagine 10 million people tossing out batteries every day due to this?

It only makes sense making e-cigarettes with rechargable batteries; and once you do this, we might as well pick the battery we want to use, seeing as that battery will be "freely available" since you dont need 10 of them lying around, as you will recharge them, if you understand what i mean?

I also think this is a normal practise - what about cellphones? Would you want those to use freely available power sources? No. Youve grown accustomed to the battery being "built in" - and i think this is the direction E-cigarettes are heading towards in the long run - and a right one at that.

Imagine when you no longer can see the battery, and dont have to worry about it, because its grown so powerful, and can last for so long, that you only need to charge it once a week. Thats where we want to go =) But there is still some road to be paved, to get there!

Regarding the twinbox;

I now have my prototype at home, and ive been vaping on it all night. It has some small issues if we need to produce it, and im looking into those right now - and im also checking out if its possible to integrate USB into it, so you can smoke on it through usb, and charge 2x kissbox batteries.

But it is working perfectly, and is giving off tremendous vape

 

[chief druid]

lol i've killed 4 of the rechargeable batteries ... think it was because i left my dura passthrough plugged in for far too long when i wasnt using it

 

[Mik_Janty]

We are all human beings here, and we lose trust in each other if we do not DO what we say we will DO.

I said i would reveal it, then i said i cant reveal it.

So, I did do what i said i would do. It just wasnt what you wanted me to do

Besides, its not my decision - i designed it only. I just thought id try to clarify why its not a "cry wolf" situation, as i honestly dont see it as one. I see it as an unfortunate event that lead to an unfortunate situation, both of which are out of my control.

And - its also costing us money to delay it, so .. that should imply that its something we want to fix, and make good, doesnt it?

Wouldnt it be far worse if we just said "yesyesyesyes here it is" and didnt have everything just perfect in it before we launched it, just so we could earn some more cash?..

Anyyyyyway.. Enough of this, - ive said what i want to say in this matter, and i hope you understand. Ill do my best to see to it that the Cameo comes out as good as it can, as fast as it can! I cant do anything more than that.

 

[J W in Texas]

Well, I see they are up to their old tricks again! Let's toy with the customers and set a new release date. Is this the third or fourth time now?

Mik, maybe you should read the past history in this forum and then you might understand a little better why some here are more than a bit skeptical.

Oh, and I'm still the proud owner of two JS 510 adapters that are good for little more than paperweights.

I gotta give props to Jeff and Parker for doing a great job but I don't know how they put up with the parent company aggravating the customers time and time again.

 

[gjrhine]

What's the big deal? You all have devices already anyway and if you don't there are plenty of choices. I can wait until they get it right.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Well, I see they are up to their old tricks again! Let's toy with the customers and set a new release date. Is this the third or fourth time now?

Mik, maybe you should read the past history in this forum and then you might understand a little better why some here are more than a bit skeptical.

Oh, and I'm still the proud owner of two JS 510 adapters that are good for little more than paperweights.

I gotta give props to Jeff and Parker for doing a great job but I don't know how they put up with the parent company aggravating the customers time and time again.

Well, i dont read posts from the past, as im not part of it.

What i say, i stand by. I wish - as i said many times - that i would have been able to reveal the Cameo; but the reasons for not doing so, i also understand.

So stuck between a rock and a hard place - and im just doing what i can to both let you know that its being worked on, and to protect the integrity of the company i work for.

Its not an easy situation, but lets face it; Janty is not Chevrolet, Marlboro, Pfizer. Its not a multimillion dollar corporation with a global market of millions of customers. Its a company growing, in a niche thats expanding - and that takes getting used to. As far as i know Janty doesnt have an insane amount of employees - and they are as a company working their *ut*s of trying to make do with what they have.

Maybe in 5 years Janty will be the worlds biggest e-cigarette manufacturer, and be sitting on an insane capital; Then I feel it will be in its place to stick it to them about this and that, and whats gone wrong here, and how this didnt work, but as it is right now Janty is probably one of the only European/American companies that both sells, markets, invents, distributes, and promotes their own products. Noone else does this, on this scale.

And at the same time, theyre doing so in a market that noone knows where will be in 5 years, or even one year. Noone here knows if this whole thing will be superbanned by everyone in the world, or if it will suddenly become a massive revolution; Only time will tell.

But until then, i think its fair that Janty, as any other company its size, has trials and errors, otherwise how should they/we learn?

I, for my part, am trying to say what i mean, be honest about what i know, and also respect the wishes of the company i work for. Thats all i can do; So i wont tell you that youre wrong - im sure there has been issues with Janty before, as there has been with every e-cig company.

But I will do my best, atleast, to try harder - to service more - and to invent products that, when released, i feel i can put my name on and be proud of; AND use myself.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[tmbrown327]

According to the seller it's 15ml (1/2 ounce). A dry 801 cart will hold about 1.1 ml. FWIW

 

[Mister]

The way i see it, Janty is the very definition of ethics and moral in this thread; We make a contest, we deliver prizes. We then encounter an issue with the product that we wish to correct before we tell you about some parts of it, that could be altered to fix this issue. We then tell you, the forum, about this openly.

Mik, I get it, you've run into something unexpected and want to get it right before making an announcement. A bit of a screw up but not surprising with a new product and I believe that you are doing the right thing in that regard.

What I do not get is that you haven't filled in the blanks in your contest's sentence. If someone had guessed right you'd have had to reveal the answer. But no one did, so you decide it is ok to withhold the promised answer? After generating a lot of interest and attention, as you clearly intended.

If the glitch (or whatever) Janty has run into impacts how the contest's sentence will read then I think Janty has ethically screwed up by announcing "vapor-ware" (in the old meaning of the term!)

If what you've run into does not change how that sentence will read then why not publish that sentence to properly close the contest and to address some of the curiosity you've drummed up? With the attached apology of course that the promised release of additional details will be delayed.

As things stand your lack of a proper wrap-up to the contest understandably leaves a slightly bad taste to some people.

 

[TDM]

Would be the same as.

OK folks heres what you have been waiting for the CAMEO!!

OOPS!! Forgot to turn the lights on. I'll try again tomorrow.

 

[Mik_Janty]

Mik, I get it, you've run into something unexpected and want to get it right before making an announcement. A bit of a screw up but not surprising with a new product and I believe that you are doing the right thing in that regard.

What I do not get is that you haven't filled in the blanks in your contest's sentence. If someone had guessed right you'd have had to reveal the answer. But no one did, so you decide it is ok to withhold the promised answer? After generating a lot of interest and attention, as you clearly intended.

If the glitch (or whatever) Janty has run into impacts how the contest's sentence will read then I think Janty has ethically screwed up by announcing "vapor-ware" (in the old meaning of the term!)

If what you've run into does not change how that sentence will read then why not publish that sentence to properly close the contest and to address some of the curiosity you've drummed up? With the attached apology of course that the promised release of additional details will be delayed.

As things stand your lack of a proper wrap-up to the contest understandably leaves a slightly bad taste to some people.

Once again, i agree and understand. But im not allowed to. Not everything is my decision you know.

But, after seeing how much this thread has woken to life, i will try to dig into it with my employers to see if i can infact reveal parts of it.

I think both me, and the rest of Janty didnt expect people to get upset about us delaying it, seeing as we havent said "it will come out on this date" and then postponed. We simply did a competition, and with held the answers - when noone guessed it anyways.

But, ill see what i can do. Im actually looking forward to hearing the reactions from people when we do reveal it - both good and bad. This device might not be everyones cup of tea, but it will be damn cool.

 

[quovadis]

Truck
massive ROLF!!!!!!!!!

DAMN YOURE HARSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mik_Janty]

Actually its very close to my design. Well done

 

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