Mesh over the wick without res. wire .. Is it possible ?

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you can go up in resistance by cutting a fatter or/and longer piece of mesh Dominic:)
Thanks, Imeo. That may be too low for me as I'm using a Provari and I'm sure it will put out errors (not lucky enough to snag a GG mod, will try when they're available again). I suppose if I cut the strand thinner and did more wraps that the resistance will go up - correct?
 

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I said 1mm in width but maybe it was more than this Dominic. Maybe it was 2mm in width and in some points was 4mm. I cut it by hand and quickly without paying any attention. What you can do is to cut a 2mm in width mesh and at 1,5mm in length and see if you get 1 or 1,5 ohms
From what i saw in the video that imeo put up, while the thickness of mesh might have been 1mm, the width of the band of mesh wrapped around the wick was more like 4mm. It would be possible then to make it thinner and wrap more of it.

Yes - SS wire might be the way to go, but part of the reason why I think this works well is that using the mesh as a wrap would cover more surface space on the wick. You solve several things: less chance of silica wires fraying and coming up the mouthpiece as they're being covered by mesh, more even distribution of heat over the length of wick, less gunk build up as might occur between the gaps of wire coils, etc...

As imeo points out, the issue now is the ultimate safety of the mesh, unoxidized - can untreated mesh release metal fragments or chemicals at high temperatures, can it interact with the silica wick in an unexpected way overtime, etc. I'm likely to think (and this just may be hopeful on my end) that mesh will hold up very well in this application, but I'm neither an engineer or a chemist to really know. The fact that stainless steel is used in kitchen appliances and items that get heated at fairly high temperatures (like my SS pots and pans) where food is involved, leads me to believe that we should be fine. Most of us use 316 or 316L mesh which, if I'm not mistaken is food grade, if not better.

Thoughts? Fantastic experiment and discussion, by the way, and thanks ggero for your ingenuity.
 

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yeap it is i did mine with manos today and it vaped like a champ. just it didn't satisfy me. Manos and i are looking to do dual coil action with this setup but it may be a little tricky because of building a constant ohms.

Just doing a single coil I measured it at 1.0 ohms then when i tied non resistance wire it was 1.8 ohms then i re looped the non resistance wire couple time to bring it down to .8 ohms. it vaped really good but i didn't get that heat im so used to at 25 watts dual coil.

I will be experimenting it with dual coil mesh and see how it will stack.
 

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Whatever setup of this method you choose, it will vape very very good for the first hours (continuously vaping)... The point is, if this method vapes good and the next day, and the other day, etc etc etc :)

We will see !!

We are still testing it
 

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SUCCESS baby was able to make dual mesh resistance coil at .7 ohms running one 4.2 battery WHAT AN AWESOME experiment.

I have the video uploading as I type. it took a while to get the two coils exact ohms and size in length. I learned some tricks on the way Ill explain in video.
 

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Some preliminary research shows that stainless steel mesh (type 316) melts at 2500F (1375C) and is recommended for continuous use at closer to 1500F (870C) and for intermediate use at 1650F (900C). How these numbers relate to the heat produced by your typical atomizer at 3.7volts I'm not sure. What happens chemically at any of these temperatures is also something I'm not sure of, but one imagines that a vaper is well below even the intermediate use, as defined by the articles I've read on the topic, and should be safe if not cranking up heat past the 1650F mark.

For comparison, Kanthal A-1 has a max temperature of 1500C before it melts with a recommended temperature for continuous use of 1400C which places it in a significantly higher range than SS mesh. Nichrome Type A has a melting point closer to SS mesh at 1400C. The argument for the use of these metals in atties, particularly Kanthal, has been that their inherent resistance to heat is so high as to cause a normal vapor no harm as you would never reach levels of heat that could effect the structure of these alloys. The question is, does SS mesh, with such lower numbers, come closer to the point of danger? I'm not sure.

Again, not sure what happens to the chemical structure of SS mesh at high temperature short of the melting point and what, if anything, is released into the vapor.

A better analysis (by someone who knows what they're talking about) is to compare the chemical composition of the three alloys to see what chemicals could potentially separate from each of the structures at high heat that could be potentially dangerous in vapor. A quick glance of these wires show that they are all some combination of iron, chromium and nickel at varying percentages of each with other metals added to the mix for the purposes of corrosion/oxidation resistance, both properties that stainless steel is known for.

Just my 2.5 cents (not worth much, but it's something) :)

Sources:
http://www.stainlesssteel-mesh.com/products/materials.html
http://www.kanthal.com/products/mat...heating-wire-and-resistance-wire/kanthal-a-1/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichrome
 

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All to say, by the way, that I personally believe SS mesh to be safe as I just don't think you're typical atty produces nearly enough heat to reach anywhere close to the maximum it can withstand. By adding anti-corrosion and anti-oxidation into the mix, you now have less chance of interaction between the metal and the liquid (I for one, can taste the iron in kanthal and it hurts my teeth from time to time). I'm hoping I'm right and that the industry might head towards this direction.

If anyone has any links for SS wires that can be used in place of kanthal/Nichrome wire and what your experiences have been, please let me know.
 

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@ Dominicanto

vaping on mesh has been going on for a long time. Granted the usual method is having resistance wires on mesh and that has never melted nor caused harm. the only difference is using mesh as the actual resistance wire which we are still testing so far it hasn't changed any composition from what my eyes can see but you bring a good valid point. its something to look into that's for sure being this is a very new coil build.
 

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You're probably right Bish. Just thought to put what I found out there to get the ball rolling on some research.

Here's a question...

What would happen if you widened the strip of mesh to, say, 4mm and folded it and then wrapped it around the wick. Would that increase the resistance? Would it pose some danger? I usually like to vape at standard resistances (2,4ohms and up) and wondering if this might work. Of course, I could cut thinner and make more wraps, but just curious what you guys think.
 

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George is WONDERFULL
i don't know about the duration but i vape it till noon
and it's going WOW, lot of vapor
and the flavor...... i make a 3 drops dripping and i still have the cinnamon cookie in my mouth:laugh:
thank you for the idea man
be well


ps
i wiil make a mesh dual coil on iatty,as Bishop, and i will post my experience tommorow
 
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