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Ok er'buddy, look forward to even better lookin vape of the day pics! I have one of those new iPhones coming to me next friday. I got the bigger one with the image stabilizing lens on the camera. Anyone that's used a camera with that feature can agree just how much better the photo quality is, without even doing anything extra. I know you all can't see it, but with my somewhat shaky hands, it takes like 5-6 bad attempts before getting that 1 clear enough to share picture. Hopefully now, it will be a 1-2 attempt deal to get that nice clear shot to share with you all. And then with the nice big screen, I can see even more detail on the beautiful tips that Kayte posts, hopefully no more squinting at a screen trying to make out what I am looking at. Ha!

Oh, and speaking of beautiful tips, Malaysian Blackwood (Ebony) arrived last night. Pictures incoming later today, but hot dang shes a looker. Dark, subtle, elegant. I can see myself using this one quite often.
 

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    TheGF3

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    So... I guess now we know what happened to all that surplus of DNA20 clone chipsets when The DNA30 was released and the cloners focused on copying that. Not that its a bad thing, if these little guys prove reliable, they will be a great alternative to the ego batteries for people new to the vaping world. Small enough not to be intimidating, powerful enough to grow with their needs as they upgrade their toppers, and the price is a sweet spot for someone that isnt sure how much they want to sink into their new-found hobby.
     

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    So... I guess now we know what happened to all that surplus of DNA20 clone chipsets when The DNA30 was released and the cloners focused on copying that. Not that its a bad thing, if these little guys prove reliable, they will be a great alternative to the ego batteries for people new to the vaping world. Small enough not to be intimidating, powerful enough to grow with their needs as they upgrade their toppers, and the price is a sweet spot for someone that isnt sure how much they want to sink into their new-found hobby.

    About the only thing a rip-off,(clone) is good for is to find out what you would want in a mech mod. I haven't visited the rip-off Hannas yet, and don't suppose I will ever. I have been through enough rip-off mech with their wonkey switches and poor quality medals that I could have bought a good $200 mech.

    Wow we are a talkative bunch today are we not? I'm waiting on some collage football myself. Weather delayed my UGA vs USC game. To what extent Idk, but I've been to many a game in Columbia SC at Williams Brice and it can get stormy up there really quick. Oh well, I'm off for awhile. TTYL Mountaineers.
     

    JohnD0406

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    About the only thing a rip-off,(clone) is good for is to find out what you would want in a mech mod.

    PS - Ever see a PS at the beginning of a post? After writing this long-winded post, I think I should perhaps back off the nicotine a bit today, LOL. I've gone through and colored a few lines in blue that are the highlights of this gem - feel free to skip the rest, unless you're truly interested in the subject.

    I hope this doesn't spark a clone debate (seems the subject comes up in EVERY thread on EVERY forum), but I can think of a few more reasons. I 100% agree with what you said - clones are great for deciding if you like a certain mech or atty, before spending a ton of cash on the real deal. The key is finding something you like and following through with getting the real one. I have a somewhat large collection of clone mods and attys, which has led to the purchase of only a few real ones. The cones sit there doing nothing but make my vape stand look more impressive to those "not in the know". I have a few clone mods and attys that turned out to be nowhere near what I was expecting, and am so glad I didn't waste my money on an authentic.

    While you have to keep in mind certain quality differences between clones and authentics, the overall usability is the same. In one example, I got a clone dripper that turned out to have the coil too close to the bottom of the drip tip, so all it does is shoot hot comets down my throat. No thanks. On the other hand, I got a clone Origen v2 and loved it so much I now have a real one. Same with the Atmomixani Dome, Nemesis (of which I now have 3). Although the 3D was a great idea, in practice I found it all but a useless gimmick. Maybe if you don't sub-ohm and burn through juice like I do, it would be more suitable.

    But, clones are also good in environments where you have a high risk of damage, theft, loss, etc. I usually take a clone mech to trade shows, because I get easily distracted and end up leaving it at a booth several times a day. If it disappeared, it's just a cheap clone, no big deal. I also go to several desert events (like Burning Man, which has a very alkaline sand/dust that eats metals and destroys electronics). I'd also never bring an authentic on a boat - heard too many stories of people dropping them overboard, where there's no chance of retrieval. I also bring a clone to work, because there are 400 people in the building, and things disappear from people's desks all the time. But, anywhere else I can keep the mod with me all the time, the authentics really do work better.

    Then there's always the chance of running into the actual modder, and it'd be a little awkward if you're using a clone of their product. Happened to me 3x so far. I've run into the original modder of the Mankos mods, who was visiting my neighbor as I went out to get the trash cans, though I don't own either clone or authentic. I've run into the MAD Industries Penny Mod modder (of which I have an authentic), and the Mutant modder who asked what my serial number was in casual conversation. I figured I'd be safe bringing my Nemesis clone to ECC last weekend, as Atmomixani weren't on the guest list, however they were there according to the VapeRev booth, who said Atmomixani dropped off a bunch of Nemesis 30mm/26650 mods (which all sold out in a few hours). So, you never know...

    But, whatever your stance is on clones vs authentics, it's an endless debate that will never have any resolution. The industry is starting to take a stance however. ECC didn't allow vendors to sell clones, and one vendor that broke that rule got served papers at ECC (video's on YouTube). ECF no longer allows vendors to sell clones (but does allow private people to sell in the classifieds). There are also a large number of American modders making new authentic mods at around the $100 price point (some even less), so they're much more affordable (some authentics go upwards of $300+, so you can't really fault someone buying a clone).

    Anyway, to each their own - we (the private individuals) need to let it be, and the industry has to solve their own problems. Clones/counterfeits/pirate copies/etc. have forever been an issue in every industry - it's nothing new to vaping, which is why the debate is truly endless and pointless. I work as a Digital Media Engineer, and pirate copies of movies and music directly affects my business, but there too is a debate. A pirated movie isn't necessarily a lost sale (as most would never have purchased it if that were the only option), and there's no doubt there are lost sales, but the flip side is how many more sales are generated due to exposure from one person telling their friends how great the movie was? Perhaps one lost sale creates 3 sales that would never have happened otherwise. Perhaps the same is true in the modding world - exposure might actually generate sales. Nobody can track those numbers though. Some modders accept and even embrace cloning, and others go on the legal warpath and create an excessive amount of negative PR in the process (ahem, V3, Hana, etc.).

    IMHO, and this is my just my opinion, the only two issues anyone should have with the whole debate is clones/counterfeits being sold as if they were authentic, and duplicating a copyrighted logo - there's no excuse for either of those, and I think everyone can agree on that.

    PPS - Keeping this somewhat on topic, when I first became a "mountaineer", I saw another drip tip manufacturer make a tip from the same unique material, and wrote an email to Doug claiming they copied his idea. He then educated me on how they source materials to make most of the tips, and everyone has access to most of those materials. Of course, they do make some of their own materials, and Kayte's artwork is of course unique, which along with the quality of workmanship, sets them apart from the rest. I don't see any other tip maker with a following like Kayte and Doug have. Say no more (no, really John, say no more! LOL)
     
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    About the only thing a rip-off,(clone) is good for is to find out what you would want in a mech mod. I haven't visited the rip-off Hannas yet, and don't suppose I will ever. I have been through enough rip-off mech with their wonkey switches and poor quality medals that I could have bought a good $200 mech.

    Wow we are a talkative bunch today are we not? I'm waiting on some collage football myself. Weather delayed my UGA vs USC game. To what extent Idk, but I've been to many a game in Columbia SC at Williams Brice and it can get stormy up there really quick. Oh well, I'm off for awhile. TTYL Mountaineers.

    Except I'm going through that in reverse. Defective Nautilus "genuine" parts. I really liked it the day it lasted and now I can't get a response from Aspire. So much for their 3 month warrenty. I can't help but think that if I'd gotten a clone through Fast Tech I'd be looking at either a replacement or refund now + $. I feel stupid. Some of these authentics deserve to be taken down a notch. I think the markup is > 75% and no customer service?

    Sorry about the rant. I really hate equipment failure. I could've bought a REO for what I gave to Kanger and Aspire last month.

    Onward with the happy tip talk.
     
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    I just so happen to collect pocket friendly mods --- and beautiful drip tips. :)

    Sometimes they cost about the same! Some of the mods weren't worth that. :facepalm:

    There is little real world data or a solid review on the Eleaf iTaste at this time and the big beta test is just now underway. (That's what I call first release of most inexpensive mods.) It's not the "clone" DNA20 inside though, the specs are quite different.

    I surely can not recommend without more info, though I do like it's looks, size and proposed function quite a bit.

    I also prefer the shorter and smaller Molehill's :) though I'll buy most any size or shape if it's purple. :laugh:
     
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    Think I've gotten Kanger mini tanks that weren't Kanger, but they worked. Davides, the same. My ProVaris were gotten directly from ProVape, but the MVPs from 3 different businesses. The MVP's have been working fine. Got 4 Nauti's, 2 large, 2 mini. One was won locally. Other 3 from 3 different places professing "genuine". The scratch off numbers indicate good to go as well as the extra coils I've purchased from several locations. Don't know if I've been fortunate or just "noob lucky". :p

    So, ProVari has another sale going on where you have normal price of mod, but the extension cap and color LED is free = $35 value. Thought I'd made a choice of the Metallic Green when I saw in another thread that some people back in June had a problem with the finish messing up. Wrote to ProVape and asked if they had this problem straightened out and they answered that they did. HOWEVER, different colors are going to be released in another 2-3 weeks! :facepalm:

    Meanwhile, Vapor Shark, aswered my questions about the rDNA. Regulated, made in U.S., I can replace the battery myself, and it can be repaired by them after the warranty runs out (4 mos.). It's a box mod much shorter than the MVP, and fits even better in my hand. Dimi let me hold his.......Then they have these covers called Shark Skins, and I really do like the feel of them......plus oodles of wonderful colors at a cheap $8 a pop. :facepalm:

    There you go, back to the old "frozen with indecision" mode. This next mod will be for my birthday next month and it's a biggie. 8-o Of course, there's no question about where my tips come from and if they work right or not. Even a "Calamity Jane" winds up being a favorite summer tip! :wub:
     

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    IMHO, and this is my just my opinion, the only two issues anyone should have with the whole debate is clones/counterfeits being sold as if they were authentic, and duplicating a copyrighted logo - there's no excuse for either of those, and I think everyone can agree on that.

    PPS - Keeping this somewhat on topic, when I first became a "mountaineer", I saw another drip tip manufacturer make a tip from the same unique material, and wrote an email to Doug claiming they copied his idea. He then educated me on how they source materials to make most of the tips, and everyone has access to most of those materials. Of course, they do make some of their own materials, and Kayte's artwork is of course unique, which along with the quality of workmanship, sets them apart from the rest. I don't see any other tip maker with a following like Kayte and Doug have. Say no more (no, really John, say no more! LOL)

    Hate to chop your well written post up like this..but I can't address all the points you made with any disagreement. I too have a small collection of rip-offs from the lucky bag shop in China. I wouldn't care to go into the politics of clones vs authentic and the lack of child labor laws in China. Before I ever even heard the word CLONE, I had purchased from the lucky bag shop,(FastTech) and there is a funny story behind the Stingray I got from them.
    As you may well know, the Stingray has a very complicated magnetic switch that is close to the design of the Nemi's with the exception of how the magnets are placed in the fire switch. When I got mine from the bag shop, it didn't seem to have a fire switch in it at all. I was all but going to box the thing up and send it back to China. Then I examined the mod more closely. Whoever put the thing together just screwed what would screw together and put tape on the loose magnets and pins, Ha!
    Took me a couple of hours to figure that one out!

    But yeah, you might find similar tips to Molehills, but you would be hard pressed to find another couple that puts their heart into their costumers requests and goes way above and beyond to please us all. There are far more Mountaineers than what's just posting here. I know of a few that are not even in the USA. So as word gets out even more than when I first started buying from Kayte and Doug, the costumer service, fast delivery, and quality have not dropped of one little bit.
    I recon that's why even if I don't really NEED a new tip, I try to get at least one a month. I'm down to using just two mods now, my Copper Vanilla and my REO. I use all nine of my tips though through the week at some point or another.
    WoW, talk about being on a rant..LOL :D
     

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    I would buy genuine if I could afford it, and in many cases I can and do. With the clones I own, I view them like being able to keep the rentacar for a really long test drive, to see if it merits a place in my finance. If and when I upgrade, the clones go right to work as PIF's to others who might never even be able to afford the clones. What goes around comes around, and to me that is that =)

    *hugs her beloved Cloupor 30* The clone I love best has no rip off trademark, and aside from it's devoted delivery of excellence to my vape, I treasure the lack of a ripoff tag the most =)
     
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