Ive previously read that thru to the end and it doesnt say much other than some conjecture that bobas has cola flavor in it. Unless I missed something you may be honing in on?
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The single post #272, not the whole thread. Back then, in '10, Boba's varied in flavor and color by the nic level. Ben posted that issue had been corrected sometime in '11, but didn't mention how. I don't recall exactly when, it's in the forum somewhere.
The idea is, that one or all of the tobacco flavor base is from elsewhere, and comes nic included. Maybe from one of these suppliers... in post #8. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ce-then-show-us-your-goodies.html#post4630696
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Keith is a Boba's animal. I wish he be active again, he was going through 10mLs a day at the time he stopped posting. He literally ordered 1000mL or more at a time.
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I posted the same just above
He didn't mention how they fixed it though. If it's something they changed in-house or if they receive it that way.
I posted the same just above
I noticed, lol. I just read your post, and didn't realize that the conversation continued through the next page
I had mentioned, possibly even in this thread, that one of the ingredients probably had nicotine in it (as many have presumed as well). Well! Like so many before/after me, I google'd my heart out trying to find any of these elusive flavorings. Of course I came up empty handed, thus leading me to one of two possible conclusions - an extract, or preference. Ben states he doesn't use a NET, so I guess it's preference... though that makes very little sense to me as well. Ah well.
We know it's not NET, unless he's fibbing, and I don't think it's preference, because that new line of juice has 0mg tobacco mixes.
I think it's something along the idea that Keith had, the nic/tobacco flavor base is purchased for Boba's and GJ.
I think it's something along the idea that Keith had, the nic/tobacco flavor base is purchased for Boba's and GJ.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
Why on earth would Ben be forthcoming about answers to questions regarding Boba's ingredients? As far as I'm concerned, any clues he may or may not have given in interviews or elsewhere are irrelevant.
We're not the only ones trying to clone Boba's Bounty. There's plenty of e-liquid manufacturers that would love nothing more than to figure out a clone and slang it at a discounted price.
Why on earth would Ben be forthcoming about answers to questions regarding Boba's ingredients? As far as I'm concerned, any clues he may or may not have given in interviews or elsewhere are irrelevant.
We're not the only ones trying to clone Boba's Bounty. There's plenty of e-liquid manufacturers that would love nothing more than to figure out a clone and slang it at a discounted price.
How is your opinion relevant either? We're going off what's actually been posted/said by Ben, not some hunch/gut feeling/general cynicism you're experiencing. None of his posts/interviews are in response to anyone trying to clone his juice, heck, I think all the one's I've linked are even before there was a cloning thread, or a major following.
Beyond that, it's kind of a poor practice to outright lie to your customers.
I'm not calling him a liar, I'm simply suggesting that he's got nothing to gain from being open and candid when asked about Boba's Bounty. I certainly wouldn't expect somebody who knows the ingredients to a highly coveted and profitable mixture to be entirely forthcoming when asked about it.
...and he hasn't ever mentioned any specific ingredient, that much is true. I don't think there's any expectation he would, but if asked about the more general makeup of the juice, like is there diacetyl, any PG, any alcohol, is it a NET, is it harboring weapons of mass destruction, I'd like to think it's not all cloak and dagger.
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Okay, so you believe it to be an ingredient that has nicotine in it, but not an extract, which was my original assumption. And you think that someone is making it for him, correct? Thus the reason why we cannot access said ingredient?
So, it's either:
1.) Ben is lying
2.) Ben's preference is to not offer his tobacco line in 0mg, but everything else is cool to have 0mg
3.) Ben is buying a premixed and/or specialty made ingredient(s), and we don't have access to it
Fantastic!
I guess there is always:
4.) There is an ingredient out there, with nicotine, that none of can seem to find... that's not an extract
So, it's either:
1.) Ben is lying
2.) Ben's preference is to not offer his tobacco line in 0mg, but everything else is cool to have 0mg
3.) Ben is buying a premixed and/or specialty made ingredient(s), and we don't have access to it
Fantastic!
I guess there is always:
4.) There is an ingredient out there, with nicotine, that none of can seem to find... that's not an extract
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nah, since everyone seems to get all Sherlock Holmes about the name of the juice, it's got to be...
5) The site name is Alien Visions, so obviously he was visited by little green men, and the secret ingredient is unobtanium.
but seriously, it's likely 3) because look at how much trouble he has in keeping it in supply. What are the chances it's a flavoring us humble masses could readily get.
5) The site name is Alien Visions, so obviously he was visited by little green men, and the secret ingredient is unobtanium.
but seriously, it's likely 3) because look at how much trouble he has in keeping it in supply. What are the chances it's a flavoring us humble masses could readily get.
I could probably buy the idea of an ingredient made by someone else that has nicotine in it... I imagine if whomever is making it, they're using a VG/Water-nicotine base to do so (only thing that makes sense to me).
And it's not a NET, so it's synthetic? The more I type this, the less it makes sense to me. That is, unless the ingredient that contains the nicotine isn't a tobacco flavor, but that missing enigma flavoring that seems to tie it all together. I suppose that could make sense. Then he would use 3 regular joe-shmoe tobacco flavorings, and then VG to cut to appropriate nic-strength.
I know, I know, some are saying that it's not 5 flavorings, rather, 5 ingredients. I'm just throwing hypotheticals out there.
Let's say the formula was like this:
10% Ingredient (The one made from the VG/Water-nicotine based extract)
10% Tobacco 1
10% Tobacco 2
10% Tobacco 3
And the amount of VG used would be based on how much he needed to cut in order to make the desired nic-strength. So that would mean that the one ingredient that has nicotine in it couldn't have a large amount of nicotine, because it would cut the flavor if he had to add more VG... rather it's more logical that it's a smaller amount of nicotine, and then adding VG, and additional nicotine to end at any given desired nic-strength.
Is this making sense to anyone?
And it's not a NET, so it's synthetic? The more I type this, the less it makes sense to me. That is, unless the ingredient that contains the nicotine isn't a tobacco flavor, but that missing enigma flavoring that seems to tie it all together. I suppose that could make sense. Then he would use 3 regular joe-shmoe tobacco flavorings, and then VG to cut to appropriate nic-strength.
I know, I know, some are saying that it's not 5 flavorings, rather, 5 ingredients. I'm just throwing hypotheticals out there.
Let's say the formula was like this:
10% Ingredient (The one made from the VG/Water-nicotine based extract)
10% Tobacco 1
10% Tobacco 2
10% Tobacco 3
And the amount of VG used would be based on how much he needed to cut in order to make the desired nic-strength. So that would mean that the one ingredient that has nicotine in it couldn't have a large amount of nicotine, because it would cut the flavor if he had to add more VG... rather it's more logical that it's a smaller amount of nicotine, and then adding VG, and additional nicotine to end at any given desired nic-strength.
Is this making sense to anyone?
Sort of...I think we're crossing wires on the word ingredient. I don't think Keith was saying, and I'm not say an ingredient in the specific sense you are.
I think one of the tobaccos is a premix, an actual juice he has supplied with nic. He adds the others (remember he says he takes out 2 tobaccos for GJ), and whatever else, whether that's 5 total ingredients, or 5 flavors is anyone's guess, but I think its the latter.
He gets the premix in a strong nic, yes, but originally the flavoring/coloring was not adjusted, so the lower strength he mixed Boba's, the less flavor and color. He corrects this sometime in '11, and the supplier provides the premix adjusted based on which end nic strength is mixed.
He likely got the other flavors/ingredients from Dawn at DIY, which I've never bought from, but she turned him on to her direct suppliers at the time, Loranns, Faerie's Finest, etc.
I think one of the tobaccos is a premix, an actual juice he has supplied with nic. He adds the others (remember he says he takes out 2 tobaccos for GJ), and whatever else, whether that's 5 total ingredients, or 5 flavors is anyone's guess, but I think its the latter.
He gets the premix in a strong nic, yes, but originally the flavoring/coloring was not adjusted, so the lower strength he mixed Boba's, the less flavor and color. He corrects this sometime in '11, and the supplier provides the premix adjusted based on which end nic strength is mixed.
He likely got the other flavors/ingredients from Dawn at DIY, which I've never bought from, but she turned him on to her direct suppliers at the time, Loranns, Faerie's Finest, etc.
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I wish the Boba's recipe was crackable. Normally I wouldn't want a recipe cracked, but Boba's is amazing but I don't think Ben treats his customers right and I hate supporting AV because of that.
I don't know how he's not treating his customers right, but I'm all ears. I support him, buy from him on a regular basis, and will continue to do so, even if I manage to supplement my intake with a decent clone that hopefully will come out of this thread someday.
Boba's is definitely crackable. My only concern is the same concern I've had since I first started reading this thread, and that is that his flavors are custom made just for him, or at least one of them.
My problem with Ben is that he does not hire enough help to keep up with demand, store hours are very limited and it's hard to order because he sells out quick. Years ago I could order with no problems, now it's needlessly difficult. That communicates to me that he's not putting customers first. Also, when his site was hacked my card was compromised and had to deal with someone emptying my bank account, my bank covered me but it was a pain. Ben never communicated with us telling us what was up, just silence. Left a bad taste in my mouth. His juices are awesome, his cs is not.
A few posts are saying that there is an ingredient that is especially made for AVE, and maybe there is. I don't know if there is or not.
I did some digging and I'm pretty sure it's just a guy (Ben) making the BB at home. Maybe he does have an office or some other place to make the juice. But I'm convinced it's a one or two man operation.
AVE is simply getting flavors from other companies and mixing it together. Something we could do ourselves, if we knew what it was.
I did some digging and I'm pretty sure it's just a guy (Ben) making the BB at home. Maybe he does have an office or some other place to make the juice. But I'm convinced it's a one or two man operation.
AVE is simply getting flavors from other companies and mixing it together. Something we could do ourselves, if we knew what it was.
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