There is definitely something missing, a sharp sweet something that I can't put my finger on. Sometimes all I smell is chocolate/s'mores and other times think it smells like cherry or raisin.
My Boba's clone
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I imagine you are talking about getting this from the original, not the clone? The reason I ask is that I am working on a flavor profile based on tastes reported by people on the first 120 pages of this forum. There were 80 different tastes identified of which Chocolate (incl cocoa) topped the list with 15 mentions. Cherry was down with 4 mentions and raisin was one of 38 tastes which were only mentioned by one person. Apart from anything else this demonstrates the impossibility of producing a taste-alike which will taste much the same as boba's to more than a small percentage of people - which is not to say others will not enjoy it!
Many may laugh but I am checking out the use of a Cherry Ripe doubler in the hope of getting some chocolate (15 reports), coconut (8) and cherry into the mix - some steeping still to be done before checking the first trial.
Anybody know a tobacco liquid which offers hints of chocolate? Ben said that it is not among the 5 ingredients.
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@Phanto, thats why black and mild or black cigar is being used. Its got chocolate in it and fom the recent discussions diyfs blackjack is along those lines as well although I have not tried it myself yet.
Ill say this once again tho, there is absolutely positively no coconut in bobas bounty. I detest coconut and if it was in there Id know, and Id avoid it like the plague.
Cherry Im doubting. i did get a mild cherry note on fresh ordered bottle of bobas at one point but it was fleeting and Ive never sensed it since.
I think what we are seeing in tallying of descriptions of flavors in bobas is the subjectiveness of palate. Some have good palates, some dont. Smoking damages your senses and they only recover long after you have quit. For some people it takes years of gradual improvement. Hence why some taste coconut, and cherry, or bananna, or snozberries... and some dont.
Smoke and mirrors.
Ill say this once again tho, there is absolutely positively no coconut in bobas bounty. I detest coconut and if it was in there Id know, and Id avoid it like the plague.
Cherry Im doubting. i did get a mild cherry note on fresh ordered bottle of bobas at one point but it was fleeting and Ive never sensed it since.
I think what we are seeing in tallying of descriptions of flavors in bobas is the subjectiveness of palate. Some have good palates, some dont. Smoking damages your senses and they only recover long after you have quit. For some people it takes years of gradual improvement. Hence why some taste coconut, and cherry, or bananna, or snozberries... and some dont.
Smoke and mirrors.
Agreed, there is no coconut in there.
I think Cocoa may well be though, this is based on the bottle of BB I've had for about 6 months now that I couldn't finish. I know he said chocolate was not one of the ingredients, so either it is a part of one of the tobaccos or cocoa is considered different than chocolate. Whatever it is the Black Cigar from VZ is lacking it. Can't ever find the Blackjack tobacco in stock at DIYFS so that one may have more of a chocolate note.
The banana I put in mine I only did a couple drops, not enough to taste banana but enough to make the other flavors mingle. I cook a lot and don't use dairy or eggs so I bake a lot of things with banana as a substitute, brownies, cookies, etc. and it adds a richness to them but doesn't taste like banana unless you use too much.
I think Cocoa may well be though, this is based on the bottle of BB I've had for about 6 months now that I couldn't finish. I know he said chocolate was not one of the ingredients, so either it is a part of one of the tobaccos or cocoa is considered different than chocolate. Whatever it is the Black Cigar from VZ is lacking it. Can't ever find the Blackjack tobacco in stock at DIYFS so that one may have more of a chocolate note.
The banana I put in mine I only did a couple drops, not enough to taste banana but enough to make the other flavors mingle. I cook a lot and don't use dairy or eggs so I bake a lot of things with banana as a substitute, brownies, cookies, etc. and it adds a richness to them but doesn't taste like banana unless you use too much.
No thats how you make tobacco Absolute Blend which you need to make Dan's mix.
Dans Mix is one part Tobacco Absolute Blend in either PG or ALC base, and 2 parts Seedman's Commercial mixed together.
I agree completely - but that's my point. A "clone" of BB would actually be identical to BB . And it would then generate all of the different tastes which many of us experience individually but which many of us do not get, A "taste-alike" attempted clone can not hope to do that. It's going to be interesting to see how Ben and all of the other small, innovative suppliers cope with your new FDA regulations - once again Big Tobacco [which is also Big-Ecig] will come out on top. But at least most of us have been inspired to try diy and a huge number of fine juices have resulted. We will survive! But if Ben is ever going to divulge his secrets - NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME, BEN!
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A clone is all we can make though because we dont have the exact recipe. I dont believe a clone is an exact replica. Rather its just close enough.
I firmly believe its all related to palate. I can open one bottle of wine and everyone drinking it will taste something different but everyone is drinking the same thing, at the same temperature, with the same style of wine glasses.
All we have is something like bobas. A hope to build a clone that covers every persons sensation of what they taste in it is virtually impossible. What Im doing is building a recipe based on flavor profiles that jive with what ben has said in the past and that make sense from what was available at the time he developed the recipe. Thats why I feel Ive got extremely close here.
Its not a perfect recipe/clone, and never will be. Some may think its close enough to Bobas, some wont. Nothing is closer to it tho and Ill stand by that statement for now. Ill have an update on my recipe with some adjusted precentages of ingredients to get it closer in several days. I havent done much mixing lately.
I firmly believe its all related to palate. I can open one bottle of wine and everyone drinking it will taste something different but everyone is drinking the same thing, at the same temperature, with the same style of wine glasses.
All we have is something like bobas. A hope to build a clone that covers every persons sensation of what they taste in it is virtually impossible. What Im doing is building a recipe based on flavor profiles that jive with what ben has said in the past and that make sense from what was available at the time he developed the recipe. Thats why I feel Ive got extremely close here.
Its not a perfect recipe/clone, and never will be. Some may think its close enough to Bobas, some wont. Nothing is closer to it tho and Ill stand by that statement for now. Ill have an update on my recipe with some adjusted precentages of ingredients to get it closer in several days. I havent done much mixing lately.
OK. We are all on the same side, and I certainly don't want to turn this into an argument, especially over semantics concerning 'when is a clone not a clone'. As to your assertion that "Nothing is closer to it tho" I believe that it is true in relation to proximity to the real recipe - but as far as taste goes [the only important quality for me personally] I find that Slohand #7 is closer - and it would be of no concern to me if it does not contain even a single ingredient of the genuine recipe. But I've never understood where Slohand got the Almond idea from - it seems to work though because my own variations on S #7 without almond have been less than spectacular. I do like a bit of cherry on top though.
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Eitano (#381) also produced a good recipe in the very early days of this thread. As a footnote he added that Almond and Cinnamon Danish produce a coconut taste - so I guess I've rediscovered the answer to my own question. The mystery still remains though - while I'm sure that CD is part of the BB recipe I doubt that Ben would have had any reason to be adding almond, but what do I know!
My TA pure is a paste, how much would you consider a drop to be?
Thanks btw, this is very nice, I made a mix as follows because I had the materials:
Nic Base (wiz)12.00% 3.600 ml
PG (wiz)0.00%0.000 0.000 ml
VG (wiz)66.50% 19.950 ml
TA Blend (home brew)1.50% 0.450 ml
Saline .9 (home brew)10.00% 3.000 ml
555 (mt baker)2.00% 0.600 ml
Black and Milk (Flavors Express)2.00% 0.600 ml
Cinnamon Danish (tfa)1.00% 0.300 ml
EM (tfa)0.50% 0.150 ml
Commercial Cigarette (seedman)4.00% 1.200 ml
acv (home brew)0.50% 0.150 ml
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Heat your TA in hot water for awhile. Make sure its sealed well or in a watertight ziploc. It will liquify.
Just to clarify in case someone goes and does something horrible after reading this..
Buffalo didn't mean to put the TA syrup in a watertight ziploc. He meant to put the vial of TA in a watertight ziploc.
Maybe I got the wrong TA and even the wrong flavor, since there are different flavors types of TA.
I got my TA from OnestopDIYstop, and they don't specify which flavor their TA is derived from. They suggest adding a 1/32 teaspoon of TA to a 15ml dilution mix. I haven't worked with any other TA before and this is the only TA I have at the moment. I'm not sure how potent the other TA's are compared to the one I have. The suggestions on this thread and others say to add one drop per 10ml dilution mix.
I asked buffaloguy if 1/32 teaspoon to 15ml mix (like the vendor said to do) was too much and the overall answer was yes.
I did the TA/EM mix that buffaloguy suggested (Dan's Mix) using one drop of TA and even after the steeping the mix seemed weak in TA flavor. I have done as much research as I can on TA and the different mix suggestions. I've read that too much TA can ruin a mix, and I believe that to be true.
Later I did a different mix of TA using the vendors recipe suggestion (1/32 teaspoon to 15mls of PG) and that mix seemed better for me.
The method I used to mix the TA I have is a bit different. Instead of heating up the TA, I put it in the refridgerator. My TA is in a little glass jar, and not in a vial. The result of cold TA is a really thick paste and not as sticky when it was at room tempurature. This allowed me to get a nice even scoop of a 1/32 teaspoon TA. The teaspoon is provided if you order TA from Onestopdiyshop. Once I had the even scoop of TA, I put the teaspoon in 15mls of heated PG. The PG was warmed up using a crockpot. And even after mixing, I allowed the mix to be heated in the crockpot. The cold TA mixes nicely once it hits the warmed PG.
I will have to order some other TA so I can compare it to the TA I have eventually.
Like I said in an earlier post. I mixed 120mls of buffaloguys recipe. It's pretty good...certainly not gross or unvapeable. I have a few ideas to tweak the recipe a little. I haven't gotten around to doing that yet.
I got my TA from OnestopDIYstop, and they don't specify which flavor their TA is derived from. They suggest adding a 1/32 teaspoon of TA to a 15ml dilution mix. I haven't worked with any other TA before and this is the only TA I have at the moment. I'm not sure how potent the other TA's are compared to the one I have. The suggestions on this thread and others say to add one drop per 10ml dilution mix.
I asked buffaloguy if 1/32 teaspoon to 15ml mix (like the vendor said to do) was too much and the overall answer was yes.
I did the TA/EM mix that buffaloguy suggested (Dan's Mix) using one drop of TA and even after the steeping the mix seemed weak in TA flavor. I have done as much research as I can on TA and the different mix suggestions. I've read that too much TA can ruin a mix, and I believe that to be true.
Later I did a different mix of TA using the vendors recipe suggestion (1/32 teaspoon to 15mls of PG) and that mix seemed better for me.
The method I used to mix the TA I have is a bit different. Instead of heating up the TA, I put it in the refridgerator. My TA is in a little glass jar, and not in a vial. The result of cold TA is a really thick paste and not as sticky when it was at room tempurature. This allowed me to get a nice even scoop of a 1/32 teaspoon TA. The teaspoon is provided if you order TA from Onestopdiyshop. Once I had the even scoop of TA, I put the teaspoon in 15mls of heated PG. The PG was warmed up using a crockpot. And even after mixing, I allowed the mix to be heated in the crockpot. The cold TA mixes nicely once it hits the warmed PG.
I will have to order some other TA so I can compare it to the TA I have eventually.
Like I said in an earlier post. I mixed 120mls of buffaloguys recipe. It's pretty good...certainly not gross or unvapeable. I have a few ideas to tweak the recipe a little. I haven't gotten around to doing that yet.
Please don't tell me that this thread is dead. I'm waiting for someone to perfect it.
BuffaloGuy has it about right but ratios need to be tuned. To my tastes Commerical or TA are too heavy. No time lately, post if you hit the jackpot.
6% Seedmans is too much IMO. I made 120mls of buffaloes recipe and the amount of Seedmans made it taste like Armaretto. I'm still adjusting the recipe and even added Graham cracker, which made it taste more to my liking. I omitted a flavor and still testing. It takes me a long time since I like my test flavors and end up vaping that for awhile until I make more new test flavors...it's no BB though.
its odd but I swear USA MIX Dekang taste just like the base they use for tobacco....
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