My Nicotine Factor = 48, What's Yours

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I believe it is not a nic that is the most unhealthy thing in juice. It is amount of juice. I think "ml" is worse than "mg"
I tend to agree. The question is whether this would still be the case if someone was using nothing but unflavored juice?
 

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I tend to agree. The question is whether this would still be the case if someone was using nothing but unflavored juice?
Why not? We know nothing about long term effect of consumption of huge quantities of VG and PG by lungs. 30+ ml a day? Near permanent coating of lungs with juice?
 

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Why not? We know nothing about long term effect of consumption of huge quantities of VG and PG by lungs. 30+ ml a day? Near permanent coating of lungs with juice?

I agree with this OTOH and on the other I wonder if I worry to much. In the real world and here we know people who gleefully vape whatever they want without worry, some know the "facts" and some don't. When we arrive at the finishline will it matter?? Worry is interest paid on a debt you may not owe.

Years ago in a different life I had a step-son who had CF. Treatment was a way of life for us. He was one sick little boy. So I put alot of PG in inhalers. And by alot I mean gallons over the years. When people tell me vaping has PG in it which is the great killer I say its the same stuff used in John-Johns medicine so it not bad for you. But then I wonder............ You and I use about the same amount of juice and lets say 50/50 PG/VG. Thats 2-3 ml a day of PG. Holy crap I don't think my kid with the life threatening disease took in that much PG. I know if I bump the PG of my juice up just a tiny bit I'm coughing a sick right away. So by dropping the level down just far enough that I don't die in seconds am I adding years to my life?? Or telling myself I am??

Same with nic. If I do to much all at once I get super sick. Ok, so that level is bad for me. But if I kinda sneak up on that level over a week or two is it less bad??

The VG I don't worry about as is but dosage does concern me. Sometimes I get crazy and take alot of VG in. And I'm fine generally but sometimes mt breathing ain't right. Just over doing it?? Vaping hangover as it were. Or early sign of long term trouble??
 
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30ml * 3mg = 90mg

Why not? We know nothing about long term effect of consumption of huge quantities of VG and PG by lungs. 30+ ml a day? Near permanent coating of lungs with juice?

What about this one?
TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION

In short, there is NOTHING of any concern in a "normal" liquid, which is why I mix liquids myself, so I know precisely what's inside.
Just the opposite, PG slows the growth of germs, they use it in hospitals, it's spread in the air in the baby stations to reduce airborne infections and it's so effective, since they do that the infection rate among newborn babies has dropped by 66%.
This is known since 1947, if you can find an old times magazine from back then, you can read about the discovery of the "miracle substance" that is exclusively helpful but causes no harm whatsoever, and there has not been one single case of any kind of problem reported ever.
Will almost 70 years of experience with real babies do for a long term experience?

In my personal experience I can even confirm that.
I used to be the first one to catch a cold and I used to have it at least once a year, until I started vaping.
For the last 3 years I haven't had any cold, 2 or 3 times I noticed, I got infected, i.e. spending an evening with someone who had it and feeling those slight first indications of a cold right there.
In these cases I grabed my 150 watts dripper, pulled through about 50ml of juice in one day and that prevented the infection from spreading long enough so my immune system could get rid of it without me actually getting sick.
 
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