my opinion: heavy users are downfall for the rest

[crxess]

It is really not so much what you do as how you present.

All it takes is a little common sense and respect for others to enjoy your interest, whatever they may be.

As for vaping specifically, one MUST consider the ingrained astigmatism from the long battle to separate and condemn those that continue to smoke.
For the unenlightened it IS the same and with no help from the ANTZ, BT, CDC, and FDA they are way behind on becoming properly educated.

Most of us are smart enough not to throw Gasoline on an open flame. We need to use this same common sense in other areas.

 

[e-pipeman]

Can't be bothered to explain. Can't say I'm surprised.



It's not just because they feel like doing so. It's because they are annoyed by the vapor you produce, which, from a non-smoker's perspective, is expectedly just the same as regular smoke in it's opacity, albeit with a different smell.

It's the denial of this very obvious and simple social mindset norm that is a detriment to the hobby.

The minority of bystanders who are just looking to bust someone's balls are admittedly problematic, but you will encounter them in all aspects of public life, you are not special, or being singled out because you are vaping in public, this person will get off the bus in 5 minutes and shake their fist at anything from a loud motorcycle to someone bumping into them on a crowded street.

I'm afraid that you and I are going to have to agree to differ. When you say that I "can't be bothered" to answer your point you will find that, if, as I suggested, you read the many other posts that have been made on this topic you will find that every point you have made has been answered comprehensively and conclusively.

I thought that you wished to learn more about the topic. Clearly I was wrong.

 

[e-pipeman]

I graduated from high school in 1990 & there was a smoking section for students and another for teachers. Students weren't allowed to smoke in class of course. But it was certainly not banned from the school grounds. Yet students did understand that smoking in front of the school was not ok even though there were no signs saying so.

When I went to University you could smoke in lectures and tutorials - which I merrily did.

 

[G and C]

Maybe we should look at this from a standpoint of where vaping comes from.

What ruined smoking in public? Was it giant smokestack-like smokers chain smoking in public venues? Or was it people losing a sense of common decency and blowing smoke in places that common sense would tell us might not be appropriate? In my opinion, it's more the latter than the former, but even more so, it was the education that people started getting on the harmful effects of smoking and second hand smoke.

My opinion is that it would be best if we, as vapers, used a little common sense on where we blow our big clouds AND our small ones until the public is educated on the lack of harmful effects of vaping and second hand vapor. Once that gets out there, and it will be years I'm quite sure, people won't go on the attack every time they see a vapor cloud in a public place.

 

[coalyard]

Would you vape in the non-smoker section of a restaurant?

Clinging to that strawman huh? Well, I'll take a stab at that one. No I wouldn't vape in the non smoking section of a restaurant. I also do not vape in doctors offices or in any close order situations such as in a large crowd or a bus or subway. I never used to smoke cigarettes in those situations, even when it was acceptable and allowed. You want to know the most frequent comment I receive from strangers I encounter in public when I'm vaping? "Gee, that smells so good!"

Stupid people kill themselves on motorcycles every day. Should I have to forgo buying a GSXR? People get drunk and annoy the living *censored* out of people and sometimes really hurt others or themselves. Should I not be allowed to drink beer? Maybe we can set up "no falling down annoying drunks" sections at the local taverns. People shoplift. Should I be subject to a pat down every time I go shopping?

Listen. I agree with you that self restraint and a little common sense go a long way, but just because others cannot or will not regulate themselves does not mean that I, or anyone else is obligated to lower themselves to that denominator. That's like going back to high school. We were all 17 at some point, and did annoying selfish things when we were. Just because some haven't progressed beyond that age doesn't mean that I have to go back to it.

 

[Vaslovik]

I believe it's actually it will become the vapers that feel entitled to vape inside public places that will be our down fall

Ya know what, I've never yet seen that done in a public place where vaping was not explicitly permitted, so I doubt very much it will be our downfall, and I'm not going to worry about it.

 

[Chelonian]

Are you sure your not 17? Sheesh!

I can understand his frustration.

He started out pinting out that a little consideration goes a long way, got pounded by nit picking and "I do what I want", took the bait, and went down in flames.

We shouldn't be fighting like this.

 

[Vaslovik]

I can understand his frustration.

He started out pinting out that a little consideration goes a long way, got pounded by nit picking and "I do what I want", took the bait, and went down in flames.

We shouldn't be fighting like this.

Oh I don't think that's what happened at all, he started off with a strident rant, grew more antagonistic when anyone disagreed with him, (I seem to recall him using the word "jackass") and then went over the top with his fake {MODERATED} remark. I'm sorry, but I think he asked for it.

 

[DC2]

Some day the people on both sides of this argument will realize that both sides are right.
What happens when that day comes? Hell if I know. Probably nothing.

 

[Lurch]

In the immortal words of Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"
(You younger folks can Google that for context)

 

[DC2]

Vaping indoors in the presence of non-vapers/non-smokers is the same as smoking indoors in the
presence of non-vapers/non-smokers.

But I will say this...

You are SO incredibly wrong that it's frightening.
You are wrong scientifically for starters, and in just about every other way I can think of.

While there are two sides to this story, you aren't helping either one of them.

Make the argument that vaping can be seen as rude or obnoxious if you wish.
But equating the two is foolish and harmful to vapers.

 

[DC2]

Big tobacco and money lined, pocket politicians is where I think the first volley of shots against vaping will come from, if it hasn't already. I heard something on the news that the tobacco industry has already had a decrease in revenue and has already started laying off workers.

Wow dude, you are super new aren't you.


The first volley of shots came many years ago.
Since then it has been a constant volley, at times resembling a firing squad.

 

[DC2]

Balance is that place we pass while swinging wildly from left to right.

Did you make that up, or is that a quote from someone?
Because that is freaking awesome.

 

[DC2]

I don't see a problem with that, I don't expect non-smokers to know what it is. And it does look like smoke so it's normal that some of them react to it.

Nobody should react to smoke unless they smell it.
Anybody reacting without smelling anything is a fine example of what is wrong with the world today.

 

[DC2]

For them decorum and consideration are only slight obstacles they can safely ignore, unless you are a big biker dude...then they keep their mouths shut.

I don't really look like a biker dude, more like a baseball player or something.
But I'm 6'5 and 250 pounds, and I clearly understand your point.

Nobody ever says anything to me, and apparently it has to do with my size more than my looks.
I guess people like to pick on those they think they can pick on.

 

[DC2]

.... "Vaping is not smoking and the restrictions that are imposed on smoking are not appropriate for vaping."

While this statement may be true it's rather naive to think that it will be any other way. IMO

It may be naive, but the day I stop fighting such ignorance is the day I've given up on humanity.

 

[AndriaD]

So let me get this straight, OP. You are concerned that your freedom to vape will be curtailed, so your solution to this problem is to propose to do exactly what you are concerned with? You might wanna give that position a little more thought.

That was EXACTLY my thought. It's kinda like... the Puritans came over here so they could have religious freedom. And one of the first things they set about doing was denying that religious freedom to anyone who didn't believe as they did, so they became the same as the oppressors they were fleeing.

You cannot HAVE freedom by suppressing it.

”He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.” --Benjamin Franklin

Brilliant, so it doesn't surprise me that Franklin said it. It's exactly what I thought about the "Patriot Act," and now here we are, trying to get the NSA to STOP listening in to all our private conversations. Trying to get the TSA to stop feeling us up. Basically trying to get the gov't off our backs so we can have some FREEDOM, but now this gov't that's "trying to protect" us has started to OPPRESS us.

Andria

 

[Vaslovik]

I don't really look like a biker dude, more like a baseball player or something.
But I'm 6'5 and 250 pounds, and I clearly understand your point.

Nobody ever says anything to me, and apparently it has to do with my size more than my looks.
I guess people like to pick on those they think they can pick on.

I think you are right, I'm 5' 7", 130 lbs. and 60 years old, so yeah, they figure they can mess with me and get clean away with it.

 

[Miata GT]

To the OP: replace 'heavy' with 'inconsiderate' and we'll agree. There's nothing wrong with blowing big clouds so long as you're not being offensive to others (and that's a whole 'nother argument as to what people feel 'offensive' should be).

 

[HauntedMyst]

I hate to go off on a rant here but the OP couldn't be more wrong. What is part of what made this country great? Railroads. Great big railroads with big monster chugging engines. Every where they went there was a big plume of smoke with that "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can" attitude! Hauling steel and wood, making this country great! Heavy users push the vaping boundaries and invent new coils and set ups we all benefit from. How do we benefit? Because the heavy users who don't blow up from their experimenting post successful how to videos we can all learn from. (The ones that blow up just blow up and don't post videos, most likely because they are in intensive care) Heavy users are like those great steam engines, chugging across this great nation and are a symbol of vaping greatness! Chug on proud steam engines of vaping, chug on!

Not that I believe any of that (other than they are boundary pushers who actually do figure out cool stuff from time to time) but I can count on ZERO fingers the number of times I've seen someone blowing plumes in public so I really think it's a non-issue. If someone wants to blow big clouds in the privacy of their own home, I couldn't give a rats ....