my opinion: heavy users are downfall for the rest

[e-pipeman]

How is it so different?

Read some of the other threads on this subject. You'll work it out.

There is no "right" to wander about telling people what to do just because you feel like doing so. That's even more discourteous that vaping without permission imho.

 

[JayQC]

Read some of the other threads on this subject. You'll work it out.

Can't be bothered to explain. Can't say I'm surprised.

There is no "right" to wander about telling people what to do just because you feel like doing so.

It's not just because they feel like doing so. It's because they are annoyed by the vapor you produce, which, from a non-smoker's perspective, is expectedly just the same as regular smoke in it's opacity, albeit with a different smell.

It's the denial of this very obvious and simple social mindset norm that is a detriment to the hobby.

The minority of bystanders who are just looking to bust someone's balls are admittedly problematic, but you will encounter them in all aspects of public life, you are not special, or being singled out because you are vaping in public, this person will get off the bus in 5 minutes and shake their fist at anything from a loud motorcycle to someone bumping into them on a crowded street.

 

[skoony]

Yeah, I have.



Anyone has a right to tell a smoker that their smoking is bothering them because they don't like the smell. Same for vaping.

Just like someone has a right to ask another person to turn down their music if they are blasting it out of, say, portable speakers hooked up to a smart phone.

When I vape in public places I make sure they allow it, then I blow my vapor down and if I realize it gets carried over to other people I move downwind from them. If I cannot vape in a public area without bothering other people then I simply don't vape.

I don't "stealth vape". My device is in plain view and I use it in plain view, I don't hide nor will I ever, but I use it in such a way that no one can complain.

hi jay.
you should really learn some good steath vaping techniques.i think you will find is what they dont know doesn't hurt or annoy them.

regards
mike

 

[JayQC]

^^ , this is probably true

 

[Amraann]

Smoking makes clouds, clouds have a smell and a taste that is annoying to most people.
Vaping makes clouds, clouds have a smell and a taste that is annoying to most people.

Vaping indoors in the presence of non-smokers/non-vapers is just as annoying as smoking indoors. It has nothing to do with the toxicity of the product. It's just really annoying to smell what you're vaping from 20 feet away. The fact that it looks like you are smoking is only the catalyst, not the essence of the issue.

Some people express it more aggressively than others but only vapors are bringing it upon themselves and crying about it.

Vaping indoors in the presence of non-vapers/non-smokers is the same as smoking indoors in the
presence of non-vapers/non-smokers.

Vaping does not suddenly grant you brand new rights to annoy everyone.

She was vaping in places where vaping was permitted! If the asshats in the bar did not like it then they should have gone to a bar that does not permit vaping inside.

ETA~ Also in another post you said that to anyone but smokers and vapers vaping is smoking. That is not entirely true.
Plenty of posts on this forum prove otherwise. Like those that have Dr's that are happy their patients are vaping and not smoking analogs, just to name a few.

 

[KenD]

On one hand someone can tell me courtesy goes a long way, and in the next paragraph, the same person tells me vaping in public areas should be perfectly fine because some people "look annoying" or "dress in ways that annoy others."

This guy wants to enlighten me about "rights".

You're going to great lengths to misunderstand, and misrepresent, me. I'm quite impressed.

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[bluecat]

Yeah, I have.



Anyone has a right to tell a smoker that their smoking is bothering them because they don't like the smell. Same for vaping.

Just like someone has a right to ask another person to turn down their music if they are blasting it out of, say, portable speakers hooked up to a smart phone.

When I vape in public places I make sure they allow it, then I blow my vapor down and if I realize it gets carried over to other people I move downwind from them. If I cannot vape in a public area without bothering other people then I simply don't vape.

I don't "stealth vape". My device is in plain view and I use it in plain view, I don't hide nor will I ever, but I use it in such a way that no one can complain.

True anyone has the right to say anything. Generally, I give one pass and then I am also free to express my right to say anything. When I am outside smoking or vaping is fair game. There are many things in life that people think they have the right to make someone do as if they are the creator of man. That is just not true. The silly PC republic our nation is creating is getting out of control.

Again you have the right to say anything, just as I have the right to say anything back. If you are bold enough to say what you feel, be sure you are man enough to expect a response.

By the way, I follow the smoking rules in my state when I vape. I try to treat every person in the way I would like to be treated. Unfortunately, the mindset of people is "I am always right".

One time I was walking down a crowded street with my family. People were banging into us with no courtesy. I felt like I was the only trying to be respectful. After a short time, I got fed up with it. I got in front of my family and did the same. Fortunately, I have the size that clears spaces and doesn't budge when people try to get by. It was unfortunate for some that tried to push through. They ended up on the ground. I felt bad, but I had enough. Same applies to vaping. I have had enough with the self righteous people that believe they know what is right or best for others.

 

[JayQC]

She was vaping in places where vaping was permitted! If the asshats in the bar did not like it then they should have gone to a bar that does not permit vaping inside.

I agree 100%

 

[JayQC]

You're going to great lengths to misunderstand, and misrepresent, me. I'm quite impressed.

Flattered, although I was also quite impressed with your post as well.

 

[Amraann]

Having smoked 50+ years, maybe I can give you a perspective of what use to be back when there were no smoking bans anywhere. Women did not smoke while walking or on the street. I never saw anyone smoking in a grocery or a department store......nor in church or in a classroom or on school property. Of course, the elementry and high schools did have a ban against smoking. However, you could smoke on college campus and the student union, but saw no one smoked in class.

You could smoke on planes. They had ashtrays inset in the arms of the seat. You could smoke in bars and restaurants. Could even smoke in hospital waiting rooms and in your own room. My oldest daughter's first doctor smoked in the examination room! I didn't, but did in the waiting room.

My point is that there were no signs anywhere that said "no smoking." During this time where about half of the adult population smoked there seemed to be a certain etiquette followed. No one sat me down to tell me where and when to smoke. Just observation.

Ran this by hubby who's several years older than me and has always been a non-smoker for any correction in what I remember. Got it right so far. Is anybody else old enough to add to this?

I respectfully disagree with you. I am younger than you based upon your 50 years of smoking comment...
Woman did walk around smoking, As well as people smoking in schools. I had several teachers in Elementary school who smoked in the classroom and one of them was pregnant! The principal smoked in his office. This would have been the mid 70's
People smoked in grocery stores all the time. Right up until the 80's

 

[optsmk]

When it comes to vaping I have a basic rule. And that is, if you can smoke there you can vape there. I think thats's a pretty good rule to go by for starters. Although if I am at a club or bar, I'll ask the bartender if it's ok to vape. I have found that about 50% of bars really don't mind if you are vaping. If I am outside, I'll use my judgment to decide if I should vape. Obviously if there are a lot of children around I won't vape. But if I'm just walking down the street, I'll vape whenever I feel like it.

It's kind of funny how people relate vaping to smoking without really knowing what it is. They just see what they think is smoke and get offended. But whatever.
After all, if caffeine was discovered today and it came in the form of a white powder substance, do you think it would be legal? Probably not. In fact I would say absolutely not.
Most people live their lives in constant fear of the unknown. That's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. If they see something that looks like it could be what they know to be dangerous to them, then they don't want anything to do with it even if it is actually something that is good for them. It's just too much work for them to figure that out. Guys and girls that are into low resistance vaping have nothing to do with the problem. They are the same as the rest of us who vape.

 

[Zealous]

I respectfully disagree with you. I am younger than you based upon your 50 years of smoking comment...
Woman did walk around smoking, As well as people smoking in schools. I had several teachers in Elementary school who smoked in the classroom and one of them was pregnant! The principal smoked in his office. This would have been the mid 70's
People smoked in grocery stores all the time. Right up until the 80's

I graduated from high school in 1990 & there was a smoking section for students and another for teachers. Students weren't allowed to smoke in class of course. But it was certainly not banned from the school grounds. Yet students did understand that smoking in front of the school was not ok even though there were no signs saying so.

 

[classwife]

Ok...



Manners, courtesy and common sense are always in order - no matter where you are.



Speaking of which...attacking posters, making snide comments...not gonna have it here...cut it out

 

[wonkeypickle]

listen, I get those of you who smoke big and thick vapers and want to toss out thick as hell vapes, like a cigar, but you guys are going to cost the rest in the eyes of the ignorant. I plea to you to not use .... type vapers too much in public.

the way I see it in the future:

we will be limited to e-cig alikes with heavily limited suppliers

or complete bans unless its big tobacco ran.

which do you want to be part of? look, im not against you guys who want to toss out cigars level of smoke, but many people don't understand nor want to. to them, we are bypassing tobaccos laws. they see vape and they assume smoke, and can hurt their babies. STOP IT. we need to stay under the radar, and push our cause, it'll take long time but its in OUR BEST INTEREST.


our nation, the US is in too much political issues we'd be one of the easier ban if we continue. lets keep under radars

if they ban vaping ill quit because my life will depend on the ... GOVT. yours might not but mine will. im against those who wish to vape and toss up so thick vapes that it causes non smokers to caugh. our right does not surpass those who don't smoke. and I'd never agree to it. to me, it be like saying/fighting for automatic guns and IEDS. I will never support it.

You heavy smokers want to ruin it for us non heavy smokers like its your assault rifles and I will never back you on it. Stick to e-cgs for public use or get it GONE.

The general public is not the enemy. Mothers with babies will always be overly concerned about everything and nothing at once. Big tobacco is your enemy. Big rx is your enemy. The fda is your enemy. Stop pointing your focus inward. We need to band together as one, or we will be defeated all whilst pointing the finger at one another. The choice is yours, tinyclouds.

 

[Shurbet101]

I think as long ad we don't go crazy and vape around loads of people we're fine

Never been a problem for me.

Plus the original post was actually about cloud chasers contributing to a ban and aggravating legislation or government.... I think everyone is way off topic

 

[Shurbet101]

Ok...



Manners, courtesy and common sense are always in order - no matter where you are.



Speaking of which...attacking posters, making snide comments...not gonna have it here...cut it out

Completely agree... how will we get anywhere if we're turning on each other!

I think some folk need to read the terms and conditions

 

[Amraann]

I graduated from high school in 1990 & there was a smoking section for students and another for teachers. Students weren't allowed to smoke in class of course. But it was certainly not banned from the school grounds. Yet students did understand that smoking in front of the school was not ok even though there were no signs saying so.

I graduated a year before you and now that you have mentioned it, I do remember the student smoking area outside of the lunchroom as well as the teachers lounge that permitted smoking.
Although the student smoking area was only for Seniors.

Even before I was a Senior .. I graded papers for a couple of teachers and they would let me do so in the teachers lounge and let me smoke.

 

[optsmk]

I graduated from high school in 1990 & there was a smoking section for students and another for teachers. Students weren't allowed to smoke in class of course. But it was certainly not banned from the school grounds. Yet students did understand that smoking in front of the school was not ok even though there were no signs saying so.

Wow, they still allowed kids to smoke in 1990? I graduated in 1979. We did have a smoking area for the kids, but you had to have a note from your parents to smoke there.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I think as long ad we don't go crazy and vape around loads of people we're fine

Never been a problem for me.

Plus the original post was actually about cloud chasers contributing to a ban and aggravating legislation or government.... I think everyone is way off topic

My point exactly. It's become a hobby for some to blame everything bad on a small percentage of vapers...the cloud chasers. However, when an actual discussion takes place, all the examples of poor behavior relate to people in grocery stores, meeting rooms, park benches, doctors offices, churches, school hallways.......these aren't cloud chasing issues. These are standard vapers with little or no respect for those around them. So, perhaps another suggestion for editing the thread title..."Jerks will ruin vaping for everyone....including, but certainly not limited to Cloud Chasers.".

 

[Asbestos4004]

This is my 1000th post...I'd like to use it saying thank you.