The ruling class demonstrates its 'concern' by extending and strengthening its control over us.
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my opinion: heavy users are downfall for the rest
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The ruling class demonstrates its 'concern' by extending and strengthening its control over us.
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I fail to see the connection with Big Pharma in the mix and why for that matter? Please enlighten me!
This document explains it all...
FORCES International - News Portal
Also, here are some articles to take a look at, for starters...
Big Pharma, not tobacco companies, wages war on electronic cigarettes | WashingtonExaminer.com
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - NY Times
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes
Now the FDA Is Trying to Kill Smokers | Fox News
Keeping your customers alive has been one of the greatest contradictions of tobacco companies. They are not blind, they understand how there is money to make in the long run with e-smoking.
Small companies sell non-refillable, nicotine-free e-cigs in convenience stores in Canada. They look like they are based on KR808s but I could be wrong I never bought a KR808, I'm only saying this because of the size and blue glowtip. You cannot remove the battery or carto, it's all one unit.
It's an easy expendable side market for huge tobacco giants, and the hardware is already out there, ready for them to be licenced and rebranded.
As far as the figures you posted, I'm not going to refute them, but apart from the health services that generate massive profit, the rest can be redistributed over time into the e-cig business, with the added benefit of not killing off your customers.
I do predict a monstruous, but very progressive shift from the tobacco companies to e-business within 15-20 years. You will still be able to get your self a pack of cowboys, but they will be expensive while the ultra regulated e-cig business will go down in price.
Within a few years, vapers will walk the streets unconspicuously and threads like this will remain a nostalgic soft spot to us all.
Ecigs perform better than NRT, NRT is designed to be mediocre, which drives people back to smoking, who then try to quit again using NRT, which doesn't work, it's a vicious cycle. From an advocates standpoint, big P has as much to lose as big T due to e-cigs success overall. Big T doesnt want to lose its foot hold in the billion dollar market which in turns funds our governments, and Big P doesnt want to lose its customers that Big T provide them...
Tin foil hat time?
They are only pushing bans while they figure out ways to market they own....and keep they customers alive. Tobacco companies have been sideswiped from the blind spot by the e-cig business, they will recover.
What you are saying is true to an extent, but whether the misinfo is sprinkled through the media by Big Pharma, Big Tobacco or Big brother, it still found it'sway to the poor soul throwing mean stares at you because you're blowing fog near him.
This thread is about him.
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Again, you're talking about tobacco.
It's not tobacco that is pushing all these bans.
And if we let him remain ignorant we will get steam-rolled under widespread and all-encompassing vaping bans.
And if we hide away in smoking areas to vape, he will remain ignorant.
I'm still not clear on whether or not you would agree with that though.
Then we're back to "e-cigs mimmick smoking, so don't be surprised if most people react unkindly to it, or are scared/suspicious of it, especially if you are being a jack of all arses with your portable fog machine."
There is a fine balance between informing people and taking offense when ignorance irritates your eardums.
I understand the fear of second hand smoke, so I don't react defensively when confronted. "I'm sorry it bothered you, let me move a bit further."
To me, this is not admitting defeat, it's simply being considerate and maybe I just got up and don't feel like schooling the unlearned at 7am so I suck it up and move on.
I see a lot of non-smoker/non-vaper hate on this forum and I can't say I like it.
I do agree with you.
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It's deffo not tobacco pushing the bans, they need ecigs to keep their assets at hand, this is why they are buying up cigalike companies by the bucket load. While both T and P have a lot to lose, Ecigs will and can eradicate nearly all smoking related diseases and death, while also take traditional NRT completely off the market. Ecigs have a success rate of over 85% (estimate, I would say its closer to 90% when people stick it out past the new user niggles) while NRT sits at a 20% success rate after 3 months.
Big T will protect themselves by marketing ecigs, while Big P has absolutely no alternative other than Medical regulations or an outright ban. They can't get in bed with Tobacco on such a public health scale without shooting themselves in the foot.
Big T will protect themselves by marketing ecigs, while Big P has absolutely no alternative other than Medical regulations or an outright ban. They can't get in bed with Tobacco on such a public health scale without shooting themselves in the foot.
DOn't forget all the drugs for treatment of smoking related illnesses.
I have read your posts. No-one likes hate but somehow you encourage discord.
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