As a second thought; last year I was in Heathrow airport and I asked the attendant if it would be ok for me to vape there. He said no problem, but asked if I could vape in the gents, so as not to offend people. I think he made a good point. It's about common courtesy and politeness. Everything in balance.
my opinion: heavy users are downfall for the rest
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Heathrow has is vape friendly now, they also have a vape lounge/shop in one of the terminals
I'm in the UK and when I smoked the cheapest cigs were £6.00 = $10.18 but that was well over 2 years ago now. I think they've gone up significantly since then
Exactly its about common sense common courtesy.
I have caught myself being careless around friends.
Carelessly blowing clouds in any direction, I quickly caught myself
and apologized. While its harmless for the most part a non offensive odor
no one wants puffs of clouds in their face. I have found in public
people can give a rats bum if you stealth. They may look on
in curiosity but they say nothing. I have yet to receive a " HEY BUDDY WILL YA KNOCK IT OFF"
Wow I think I would have bought rolling papers and ripped the tobacco out of the .... and smoked the rest lmao
Not really, because that is clearly a customer service issue. I'd be surprised if same employees are not allowed to vape in exact same location when no customers are around. And flabbergasted if I were to learn that employees were not allowed to vape while helping a customer who insists on the product being demonstrated (by staff) before they try it.
I do extend the courtesy to strangers in public and I vape everywhere. I also don't blow huge clouds as I vape on cigalike device. I'm thinking most strangers in public wouldn't know the difference per se, but would clearly see a difference if I stood next to one of you all (who use bigger devices) and we both took 5 'normal' puffs and exhaled. Whereas I feel confident that I can vape within 15 feet of anyone in most every public setting (indoors and outdoors) and get away with it, as in stranger would be clueless to my vaping, I'm thinking that distance would need to be a little more for similar thing to happen with big device vaper. Like 20 to 30 feet for it to be undetected in most, if not all situations.
I reckon that many indoor vapers, though not sure if it is majority, don't mind being seen as vaping in somewhat crowded public place (indoors or outdoors). And unless vaper is intentionally blowing vapor into strangers face that is less than 5 feet away, I don't see the issue myself based on science and 'common courtesy.' But that's the thing, even us vapers who may be on exact same side of this discussion, may have different variations on 'common courtesy.' I'm very much in a live and let live mode when I'm in public. But when rules are in place that appear harsh and rather nonsensical to me (like can't smoke anywhere in public), then I suddenly want to see rules such as 'no electronic devices, this includes smart phones, are allowed here.' Or 'no talking loudly just cause you are used to that in your own home.' Or.... I feel confident that I could come up with some rule that would arguably fit within mold of 'common courtesy' and would impact every human currently alive today. I usually do not care to go in that direction when I'm out and about in public. But sometimes I think it ought to be really harsh for all things people enjoy. Then I realize I'm just being spiteful. And feel very confident that many of these rules that stick (i.e. no smoking in public) are there because some really spiteful people didn't relent on their push to make that a social norm and is part of the world we live in.
I mostly agree with this, and practice this out in public when I can. Yet, education is constantly occurring. All my (non-vaping) friends currently let me vape on their premises, in their vehicles. Yet, some of these will occasionally present me with the story of, "you know they just had a study showing those things contain (insert ANTZ claim of toxicity here)." This is after I've educated and after I've already explained the propaganda war. But I think it is human nature to be open minded, or put another way, easily manipulated. Just look at how many ex-smokers, now vapers are easily manipulated by anti smoking logic. I reckon I could do a whole lot of educating on that front, but that minds are made up on negative data, and yet the once smoker in denial who is now anti-smoker will claim they are the one being open minded at this point, now that they see things from the other side. Whereas I see that as people who are still needing education and will come upon what I would call actual science when they are open to it. For now, junk science and cultural norms are good enough for them. Likewise, my non-vaping friends could be rather easily manipulated to a point where suddenly it makes no sense to them to have Jman vaping in their house, when I just did so 2 weeks before that point for several hours and they sat there with me and had zero issue with it.
And that principle, based on wording you chose here, would be one that is very misguided. Or on par with person that has fear of getting germs from touching anything in public that any other human may have touched. And on principle thinks everyone ought to be wearing rubber gloves, otherwise we will all die from each other's germs. Explaining certain facts, utilizing certain arguments ought to make a difference with such a person. But there is a chance that it may not, and that all people not wearing gloves are incredibly rude people from this person's perspective.
Yeah, I'd like that explained more since your exhaled air and my exhaled air when we walk into a room together are intermingling all the time. And I'm assuming the situation is we are both neither smokers nor vapers. Yet, there are our rights intertwined as if separation is an illusion. Which in reality, it is.
HA! This will floor you, last week as I was standing talking to a friend.
He says " You know I heard if you do those things a lot you can develop water in the lungs"
Yep I swear roflmao.
HA! This will floor you, last week as I was standing talking to a friend.
He says " You know I heard if you do those things a lot you can develop water in the lungs"
Yep I swear roflmao.
Yesterday, while doing yardwork, I had the song "Aqualung" stuck in my head and kept thinking this is going to somehow, someday be an anthem about vapers. And it won't likely be coming from the vaping community.
I love the Jethro Tull song - but why could it be an anthem about vapers? Sorry - you've got me confused (easily done)
I know a lot of people who are immune compromised (my GP thinks I am a little but I don't agree from what I think I know although but then again I caught a cold at a vape meet where the only infraction I noticed was a shook hands with someone and I got pneumonia when the only place I went was to the vet) and none of them thinks everyone should be wearing gloves, few even wear masks. Most take reasonable precautions, like me not touching the handles of the Dr office doors with bare hands. I do these things to practice for the day I am really immune compromised and because I want to avoid being sick because it can trigger an immune response where my body starts attacking healthy tissue (likewise it can trigger a response where it stops attacking healthy tissues and goes after the real disease) or the cure can trigger such a response (as I am experiencing now from antibiotics).
Most people with the unreasonable fear of germs know it's unreasonable and don't expect others to cater to their irrational fear. They're used to the horror of someone touching them or coughing around them.
HA! This will floor you, last week as I was standing talking to a friend.
He says " You know I heard if you do those things a lot you can develop water in the lungs"
Yep I swear roflmao.
I've constantly heard that from a kid (has to be getting it from school). When I got pneumonia the kid's father made that suggestion and my sister brought it up. I corrected my sister.
I brought it up to my doctor asking why he didn't jump to blame ecigs for lipid pneumonia. I had the file on my computer from Dr F prepared for it.
I love the Jethro Tull song - but why could it be an anthem about vapers? Sorry - you've got me confused (easily done)
Aqualung being perceived (by title alone) as about someone who has water filled lungs. Vapers being perceived, by some, as having water filled lungs.
When I was smoking, other smokers would make the same plea.
"Dude, your stinky cigars and pipes is a PR nightmare for us ciggy smokers"
"Dude the moral majority would treat us smokers better if we stuck to the most-socially-acceptable type of smoking"
"Dude, your stinky cigars and pipes is a PR nightmare for us ciggy smokers"
"Dude the moral majority would treat us smokers better if we stuck to the most-socially-acceptable type of smoking"
But vapers don't have water-filled lungs - or was that your point? I always thought the song was about an old vagrant who smoked too much tobacco so that he gurgled when he breathed.
Yes, that was my point. That vapers will be perceived as having water-filled lungs and that 'aqualung' ought to apply to them. Keep in mind that we live in a culture where some people thought "Born in the USA" was a great American patriotic song.
History will be rewritten to say that clearly Tull was singing about vapers. "How could anyone dispute this?"
There was a piece of misinformation once, claiming that vaping caused water to build up in the lungs, leading to pneumonia.
That was at the same time that the German Cancer Research Institute DKFZ (a subsidiary of WHO) claimed that glycerine is an oil (false, it is an alcohol) and can thus cause lipoid pneumonia (also false, as glycerine is not an oil).
I have no idea about the origin of the "water" nonsense. Possibly like vapor = water = builds up in lungs = pneumonia. Duh. For some weird reason, I have not read the same "warnings" about taking hot showers, taking steam baths, boiling potatoes or going outside on a warm rainy summer day.
Isn't it amazing how bad news travels farther and faster than good news? How misinformation keeps popping up again like a drunk uncle at a party?
Well, that is precisely the intention of spreading misinformation. It is like slanderous gossip. Somebody starts it, a lot of people pass it on - and in the end, everyody "has heard that ... (content of slanderous gossip)" - Yes, that is precisely the intention.
All too true. I'm a JFK fan, and if the misinformation was removed from just the assassination forums, the overall volume of the internet would be decreased by 20%. True fact I just made up.
But to the OP and original topic, people will have their perceptions and beliefs, based on whatever. Remember in history when Europe was ready to ban that new red veg/fruit from the new world because it was perceived to be poisonous.
I'm glad they didn't. I like tomato.
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DC2, where are you seeing this ? I'm not new to vaping and I've still never seen people cloud chasing in the middle of the mall or grocery store....library......park. I've seen people vaping. I've even seen some with advanced equipment like a provari/ kayfun or Vamo with a Nautilus. I think of dripping with a mech when someone says " big ol obnoxious clouds". Never seen that in the wild. Those guys are in vape shops or meets somewhere. They're damn sure not sitting in front of a computer starting threads like "standard ohm vapers are sissies" or "pro tank users cause global warming" or "small cloud blowers are gonna get eliquid banned for all of us". Divide and conquer....oldest strategy in the book. It seems to still be working. How unfortunate for all of us VAPERS. Yes, thats an all inclusive word....VAPERS. Strange concept, I know.
There was a piece of misinformation once, claiming that vaping caused water to build up in the lungs, leading to pneumonia.
That was at the same time that the German Cancer Research Institute DKFZ (a subsidiary of WHO) claimed that glycerine is an oil (false, it is an alcohol) and can thus cause lipoid pneumonia (also false, as glycerine is not an oil).
I have no idea about the origin of the "water" nonsense. Possibly like vapor = water = builds up in lungs = pneumonia. Duh. For some weird reason, I have not read the same "warnings" about taking hot showers, taking steam baths, boiling potatoes or going outside on a warm rainy summer day.
What's funny is when I had pneumonia one of the things they said to do was inhale humid air with hot showers or a vaporizer to loosen things up.
I always ask the kid who hassles me with that if he never takes a shower or inhales the air around here in the summer.
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