Hey Ping thanks for the info. I use a 510 atty. I am blowing it out to see how much juice is soaked. It seems to be 3 - 4 drops using the aqua clear.
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Hey Ping thanks for the info. I use a 510 atty. I am blowing it out to see how much juice is soaked. It seems to be 3 - 4 drops using the aqua clear.
Are you talking about the aquarium filter foam? If so, that stuff is way to porous for this method.
You need something fairly dense. I use either the stock filler (from the older carts, not the new loosely packed carts) or even better, the standard walmart polyfill stuffing rolled into a tight ball and then shaped to fit the cart properly (see pics in previous post).
Most cart mods call for a loose/porous material because it will hold more juice and allow it to wick from the bottom of the cart. With this method, you want dense. Because the cap is cut short, it will hold lots of juice (I usually get 15-18 drop), and the wicking is not an issue because the juice doesn't need to soak through much material. The juice is free to move around under the filler cap, so it will always stay wet.
The filler I am using is located here AquaClear Foam Filter - Filter Media - Fish - PetSmart
I am doing a couple of more tests today using it, the length I am using is 1/2". I think you are right in your conclusions about this stuff being to porous, guess I will find out. I might need to pick up some of the polyfill stuffing from Walmart.
This....is....the....best....mod...yet !!!!! I have never vape a cart dry until this one. I LOVE IT.
I have the 510 btw.
I am sorry English is not my main language and I am having a hard time understanding the steps. Can someone explain it for me with simple steps ? I am using a dse 905 with 901 atty and 901 carts.
Do I take out the filler(which is the white sponge looking thing that holds the juice right?) and cut it in half ? Do I use the half of a filler in the end or do I put both halves in the cart ? I need every step one by one please in simplest way possible
Do I take out the filler(which is the white sponge looking thing that holds the juice right?) and cut it in half ? Do I use the half of a filler in the end or do I put both halves in the cart ? I need every step one by one please in simplest way possible
I am sorry English is not my main language and I am having a hard time understanding the steps. Can someone explain it for me with simple steps ? I am using a dse 905 with 901 atty and 901 carts.
Do I take out the filler(which is the white sponge looking thing that holds the juice right?) and cut it in half ? Do I use the half of a filler in the end or do I put both halves in the cart ? I need every step one by one please in simplest way possible
Hi asd, simple steps for you
1) Take filler out of cart.
2) Cut filler in half.
3) Fill empty cart 3/4 way to the top.
4) Place filler at the top of cart so it is level with the top of cart.
5) Place a few more drops of liquid on the filler material if required.
6) Reasemble cart to atty/pv and vape away
asd: markrm explained it well. Also look at post #36 for some pictures of what it should look like.
* I cut off more than half, but it all depends on how dense the filler is. If you have the newer carts with the loose layered filler, you should probably start at about half. (<<sorry, not sure how to say that in a google translator friendly way.)
* I cut off more than half, but it all depends on how dense the filler is. If you have the newer carts with the loose layered filler, you should probably start at about half. (<<sorry, not sure how to say that in a google translator friendly way.)
I have been using the ZFM mod (and ordered it from across the pond); PTB mod, BFD mod.
Initially i had great success with ZFM, but sometimes it leaks, im sure its my fault. The PTB i find a pain, i could never get it right and ended with a mouthfull of juice or a really soaked PTB at the bottom of the cart, wasting juice.
The BFD IS the thing that really worked without a pain for me. But it's downside was: of the 5 darts i made , 2 work GREAT , the others leak. So it is more of a precision job. But it when it works, it will work forever.
NOW: this is amazing! I am regretting all the polyfill i've send to the trash. This works flawlessly! No major science to it. Well...major science in fact! Occam said it. The simplest solution is often the best one. This is it!
A note: from a commercial point of view, it is very hard to sell a product that requires a mod out of the box. This is mod that works like a real tip of advice to a client. Snip...and WOW.
Foolproof on a 510. Really awesome.
Ping: a bow to you!
Initially i had great success with ZFM, but sometimes it leaks, im sure its my fault. The PTB i find a pain, i could never get it right and ended with a mouthfull of juice or a really soaked PTB at the bottom of the cart, wasting juice.
The BFD IS the thing that really worked without a pain for me. But it's downside was: of the 5 darts i made , 2 work GREAT , the others leak. So it is more of a precision job. But it when it works, it will work forever.
NOW: this is amazing! I am regretting all the polyfill i've send to the trash. This works flawlessly! No major science to it. Well...major science in fact! Occam said it. The simplest solution is often the best one. This is it!
A note: from a commercial point of view, it is very hard to sell a product that requires a mod out of the box. This is mod that works like a real tip of advice to a client. Snip...and WOW.
Foolproof on a 510. Really awesome.
Ping: a bow to you!
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You know whats funny...I tried this with my 401 like a month ago and it did not work at all! However, I just tried this with my 510 after reading this thread and...works great! Consistant and better tasting drags. Auto drip without the fussy spring!
Well I thought I had it made with the shredded PTB and said I wouldn't use anything else until dis-satisfied with the PTB.
The PTB worked well with juices with a PG base. The wicking was good and kept my atty wet. That was until I started mixing to a ratio of 75/25.
Iniatially the end of the PTB would only show a small depression (straight PG mix). One would notice a decrease in vapour production and simply top off, all was well.
When increasing the viscosity of the mix with VG for a better vapour production, the liquid did not flow as well. This would be evidenced with a decrase in vapour. Upon removing the cart from the atty to top off, one couldn't fail to notice that where once there was a slight depression, now was a hole so to speak. When slightly pulling out the the PTB to "fluff" it out a little, I could feel a resistance in the material. This resistance was deemed to be the begining of the layers starting to "weld" together, for the lack of a better word. Ummmm...
Having read the forums etc... and seen that I did not vape like a manic so to speak e.g 45-60 minute sessions vice 5-8 good hits every 15-20 minutes, it became apparent what the problem was. Although I would top off after every session or two, (fresh cart) the fusion of the layers was always apparent caused by the heat of the atty, although I never vaped to the battery cut off or tasted burnt vapout etc...
I was told this was normal and to just fluff the ends up with a needle. Well that only partially worked, and would exacerbate the fusion problem even more, because of the finer strands of PTB.
I tried the hole in the condom etc... that one didn't work for me, I think I wasn't using a big enough straw as it remained round.
The other thing I noticed with the PTB mod as HP stated, you always had liquid remaining in the filler regardless what was used, so it was never good to the last drop ... which led me to drip more and more (not that there is anything wrong with that)
So this morning I decided to give Ping's mod a whirl, I'm impressed.
I started out with a fresh piece of polyfill from an unused cart, and cut a piece about 1/4 sq. Filled the cart up with 16 drops, and placed the plug in gently with tweezers just to get it in, and then gently tucking it in to bed with a toothpick. Toped off the cart with 3-4 drops and assembled it to the atty. Been vaping on it for the last 30 minutes or so, rather heavily (morning vape) while I formulate my reply.
I pulled off the cart every now and again. I have not notice any leakage, the small depression I was used to observng with the shredded PTB mod was once again apparent, and the batting appreared saturated. What will happen when I go to top off remains to be seen, but so far so good.
What conclusions have I drawn?
The mod makes perfect sense, as long as the plug remains just snug, one can easily see that it is indeed a modification that will not only envelop the bridge of the atty, but maintain the atty moist. It has now been an hour and have not have to top off like with the PTB, and there is no evidence of fusion. WTG HP and thank you.
The PTB worked well with juices with a PG base. The wicking was good and kept my atty wet. That was until I started mixing to a ratio of 75/25.
Iniatially the end of the PTB would only show a small depression (straight PG mix). One would notice a decrease in vapour production and simply top off, all was well.
When increasing the viscosity of the mix with VG for a better vapour production, the liquid did not flow as well. This would be evidenced with a decrase in vapour. Upon removing the cart from the atty to top off, one couldn't fail to notice that where once there was a slight depression, now was a hole so to speak. When slightly pulling out the the PTB to "fluff" it out a little, I could feel a resistance in the material. This resistance was deemed to be the begining of the layers starting to "weld" together, for the lack of a better word. Ummmm...
Having read the forums etc... and seen that I did not vape like a manic so to speak e.g 45-60 minute sessions vice 5-8 good hits every 15-20 minutes, it became apparent what the problem was. Although I would top off after every session or two, (fresh cart) the fusion of the layers was always apparent caused by the heat of the atty, although I never vaped to the battery cut off or tasted burnt vapout etc...
I was told this was normal and to just fluff the ends up with a needle. Well that only partially worked, and would exacerbate the fusion problem even more, because of the finer strands of PTB.
I tried the hole in the condom etc... that one didn't work for me, I think I wasn't using a big enough straw as it remained round.
The other thing I noticed with the PTB mod as HP stated, you always had liquid remaining in the filler regardless what was used, so it was never good to the last drop
... which led me to drip more and more (not that there is anything wrong with that)So this morning I decided to give Ping's mod a whirl, I'm impressed.
I started out with a fresh piece of polyfill from an unused cart, and cut a piece about 1/4 sq. Filled the cart up with 16 drops, and placed the plug in gently with tweezers just to get it in, and then gently tucking it in to bed with a toothpick. Toped off the cart with 3-4 drops and assembled it to the atty. Been vaping on it for the last 30 minutes or so, rather heavily (morning vape) while I formulate my reply.
I pulled off the cart every now and again. I have not notice any leakage, the small depression I was used to observng with the shredded PTB mod was once again apparent, and the batting appreared saturated. What will happen when I go to top off remains to be seen, but so far so good.
What conclusions have I drawn?
- I have been vaping now solid on my 510 and PT for a week. To date it has been the only device that has gotten me off analogs completly;
- I have yet to get a burnt taste that I hear folks mentioning all the time. However I believe some of this is caused by over vaping and inadequate wicking of the batting used (regardless of what that material is;
- I have tried the TB mod - dismissed that within 10 minutes after trying the PTB;
- When reading all that is available on the forums, everyone was after a mod that outside of putting our attys on permanent drip from a sytem (read IV), nothing seemed to work; and
- Nobody IMHO was addressing what appeared to me as the real problem - liquid viscosity.
The mod makes perfect sense, as long as the plug remains just snug, one can easily see that it is indeed a modification that will not only envelop the bridge of the atty, but maintain the atty moist. It has now been an hour and have not have to top off like with the PTB, and there is no evidence of fusion. WTG HP and thank you.
I have read this as well (not sure where). With a forum this size, allot of stuff gets buried after a while.
The cart needs to be properly aligned with the atty. This has been dismissed by some while others say it makes no matter. Well it does! I noticed the difference with the PTB mod, which surrounded the bridge better if cart and atty were in proper alignment.
This takes a mere couple of seconds to do, but renders great results, well at least IMHO. The cart end is a rectangle e.g it is longer than wide. Look at your atty's bridge it is longer than wide as well. Mate those two faces, so that they don't intersect each other e.g (--) to (--) and not (--) to (|) or a combination of (--) to (\) or (/). Your seating will be better.
The cart needs to be properly aligned with the atty. This has been dismissed by some while others say it makes no matter. Well it does! I noticed the difference with the PTB mod, which surrounded the bridge better if cart and atty were in proper alignment.
This takes a mere couple of seconds to do, but renders great results, well at least IMHO. The cart end is a rectangle e.g it is longer than wide. Look at your atty's bridge it is longer than wide as well. Mate those two faces, so that they don't intersect each other e.g (--) to (--) and not (--) to (|) or a combination of (--) to (\) or (/). Your seating will be better.
Highping.....methinks you are a genius! Because I'm trying to persuade my Dad and hubby to give up analogs and start vaping, I'm trying to maintain 510's for all 3 of us. Maintaining the carts has been the most time consuming and frustrating part, and I've tried probably 10 cart mods before finding yours last night. I wanted to try it out a while before replying, and now I can't wait any longer. I found this thread around 10 last night. Used it til 2:30 am when I finally stopped working and hit the sack. Started working and vaping again at 5:30 am, (extremely busy time of year for me) and......THIS MOD ROCKS!!! Thank you so much! You have absolutely made my day! As soon as I get time, I'll be trying your atty resurrection method as well.
Switched, thanks for the alignment info. It took me a while to understand what was meant by aligning it in the beginning. Your easy to understand explanation will make it much easier for the noobs. I completely agree with your post....."KISS." Works for Highpings mod as well as the alignment issue, and in reality, most everything else in life.
I love this forum and I love vaping! Thanks to all of you!
Switched, thanks for the alignment info. It took me a while to understand what was meant by aligning it in the beginning. Your easy to understand explanation will make it much easier for the noobs. I completely agree with your post....."KISS." Works for Highpings mod as well as the alignment issue, and in reality, most everything else in life.
I love this forum and I love vaping! Thanks to all of you!
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Now: someone get this on youtube! It is THE mod. All is left in the cart is some condensation...Besides...As the poly is so short, it keeps moisty even after the cart is empty just as with a standard length polyfiil. BUT...BUT where the soaked polyfill used to be a majr disadvantage coz it held too much juice from the middle to the end of the cart, NOW you end up with a tiny bit of poly wet enough till the cart is dry where it matters the most: Close to the atty. No burnt taste ever. In fact, i left 2 empty carts with the purpose of refilling them in the morning. HELL...i could draw another 10 puffs on each after breakfast. I give props to all the modders, but really: KISS.
I even think that poly is really the best material...the little hairs work like microscopic claws that cling to the cart. In fact i tried just the same size plug with blue foam and the PTB. PTB will stick to the atty...Blue foam will leak because it is too porous.
But...that is well explained by ping. I just wish he had posted his findings sooner. Now...lemme get some 5 more puffs out if this dried bone cart here!
P.S. i was watching a youtube video about the TB and all the praises on how much juice the cart can hold with it. I dont care if it holds 18 drops, even with a v cut at the end, if you squeeze the TB theres a LOT of juice that will not flow. Now...squeeze that little poly and WOW...it helds a DROP at most! No more messing with mods for me. At last i have a "thing" that comes with the empty cart...works flawlessly. Vapes like mad. Keeps atty wet without floodind or getting you mouth with juice.
I even think that poly is really the best material...the little hairs work like microscopic claws that cling to the cart. In fact i tried just the same size plug with blue foam and the PTB. PTB will stick to the atty...Blue foam will leak because it is too porous.
But...that is well explained by ping. I just wish he had posted his findings sooner. Now...lemme get some 5 more puffs out if this dried bone cart here!
P.S. i was watching a youtube video about the TB and all the praises on how much juice the cart can hold with it. I dont care if it holds 18 drops, even with a v cut at the end, if you squeeze the TB theres a LOT of juice that will not flow. Now...squeeze that little poly and WOW...it helds a DROP at most! No more messing with mods for me. At last i have a "thing" that comes with the empty cart...works flawlessly. Vapes like mad. Keeps atty wet without floodind or getting you mouth with juice.
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