MYTHS and FACTS about Batteries + mods

[warp1900]

I thought you were debunking myths, how can you do that with opinions?

The myths are mentioned on the first 3 "pages" (posts) of this thread, the rest is hard to say since it had such a huge response it's a little hard to figure it out in such short time.

I am trying to answer as many posts here as i can possibly handle, sorry if it seems confusing at times.

 

[Stormynights]

I believe that we are working for the same thing. Not smoking. I do think everyone needs some kind of device to break away from the batteries that come in the ecigarette kits. They are expensive and only work with one atomizer and charger. Warp, I love you designs. I have been working to try to get tutorials out there for anyone that wants to learn how to build their own mods. I have seen box mods sell for as much as $50. I am not being critical of those that buy or sell for this amount. It just comes down to supply and demand. Some people will never even try to build their own. Some will try with the right kind of help. This is why we need the tutorials and classes. I own one of the big boy battery holders. I am a fan person. I am also a fan person of anyone that helps other people with the supplies to stop smoking. I am a fan person of the beautiful work that Warp has done. The problem with the homemade mods is getting components that hold up. This is why I bought my Big boy. I am sure I am not alone in this. I still see the great value in learning to make your own devices. It is just fun.

 

[warp1900]

I believe that we are working for the same thing. Not smoking. I do think everyone needs some kind of device to break away from the batteries that come in the ecigarette kits. They are expensive and only work with one atomizer and charger. Warp, I love you designs. I have been working to try to get tutorials out there for anyone that wants to learn how to build their own mods. I have seen box mods sell for as much as $50. I am not being critical of those that buy or sell for this amount. It just comes down to supply and demand. Some people will never even try to build their own. Some will try with the right kind of help. This is why we need the tutorials and classes. I own one of the big boy battery holders. I am a fan person. I am also a fan person of anyone that helps other people with the supplies to stop smoking. I am a fan person of the beautiful work that Warp has done. The problem with the homemade mods is getting components that hold up. This is why I bought my Big boy. I am sure I am not alone in this. I still see the great value in learning to make your own devices. It is just fun.

Yes, earlier many needed a bigger dose of nicotine for sure. (or maybe a lower one?)

Thank you Stormy,
You are always a kind person

 

[Stormynights]

Yes, earlier many needed a bigger dose of nicotine for sure. (or maybe a lower one?)

Thank you Stormy,
You are always a kind person

Thank you Warp, I am still giggling about you vape and vibe. That is way too funny but I think you are Warped. Have fun my friend and keep up the good designs.

 

[bzlytbeer]

So basicaly all 3.7 Lith-Ions are not created equally. Is a bigger battery better? probably yes, Is the biggest battery better? probably not

Cisco...

"Biggest battery better?" Try saying that 3 times in a row real fast!

 

[Ivisi]

The way I look at it, all of it comes down to what works for the consumer.

For me, I spent a lot (A LOT) of money trying different models of e-cigs. I have various 801's, 901's, 401's, 402's, and 510's. I have a DSE601 pipe. All of these, regardless of the brand or the supplier I purchased from, can be traced back to a select few manufacturers in China. And all of them have their problems.

So, we're talking specifically about batteries and the cases that house them. Each one of the 'mods' that are mentioned in the original post address one thing in common: the poor quality of the Chinese manufactured e-cig batteries. And it is a real, hard fact that these devices provide a more consistent vaping experience than the Chinese counterparts.

But each one adds a little more to the equation than simply changing the housing. Adding a manual button to better control the experience, extending the battery capacity to extend battery life between charges and provide more consistent voltage to the atomizer, upping the voltage to the atomizer to increase vapor production, making the device modular to accommodate different atomizers, closing the battery system to handle juice leaks so they don't ruin your batteries, etc...

So, in reality, none of these devices are simple battery boxes. They all add more to the total experience than just a different way to hold batteries and apply voltage to an atomizer. So, I believe the OP's original opinion holds no water. It doesn't matter what the consumer's feeling is about the device, facts are that they do more than just change how the batteries attach to the atomizer, they are more resilient than the Chinese made batteries, and are well worth the money that is being charged for them.

Of course, this is just my opinion, and I'll probably be proven wrong somehow in short time.

Ivisi

 

[DarkriftX]

biggot battlery bedder, bidder bladder butcher...... ack

 

[moog]

This thread has been an interesting read.

My take is basically similar to the OP - the "vaping experience" is a function of: choice of atomiser and juice (the main bits) and voltage (a matter of choice as that alters the experience of both the atomiser and the juice). The "consistency" of the vaping experience is about batteries.

So the "big battery device" is indeed a means of attaching a reliable power source at the voltage of choice to the atomiser of choice to vape the juice of choice... It is basically that and nothing more.

What affects choice of big battery device? Clearly aesthetics, ergonomics, price, reliability, service and significantly, it appears, prejudice.

Lets look at a few of these in perspective:

Price - frankly, if you could afford to smoke, all of the big battery devices are affordable - I was spending 50 UKP a WEEK on cigarettes.

So, not price, but possibly "value for money"? This is much more subjective - for me, if I get something that does what I want at a price I can afford, and the device is reliable and I can get it fixed if it should break eventually, I've got VFM

Service - if something breaks - I have two choices - mend it myself or get it mended. I prefer to get it mended. I see no evidence that any of the big battery device vendors don't mend things. Quality of service? It's clear that most of the vendors a) actually provide pretty good service and b) have managed to piss at least one or two people off (that's business for you)

Aesthetics? Eye of the beholder stuff - meh (as some say)

Ergonomics - if you like the way it works it's ergonomic, if you don't it isn't. I like "button on the end" a la SD and Adaptever others don't - whatever.

As for whether something is made entirely from UK, US, Australian, Mongolian or Martian components of original conception, I don't give a toss - if it works well (for me) and doesn't break that's the job done.

Hi Prof.....this is why people got angry with the OP....read about half way down hes was just Trolling

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[cddz]

Look im not gonna read thru all this, so if this has been said already i am sorry. Warp, love your mods, but you are wrong. There is a difference in batteries. We all know what mAh means, longer vaping on one charge. BTW Cash stock batts are at 4.2v just like the rest of the rechargeable 3.7 batts at full charge. What many people do not even look at is what the said battery is capable of in amps. Discharge rate in terms of C factor. it ranges from .5C up to 2.0C. What this means is that that battery can discharge(amps) at the discharge rate x mAh. So a battery with 1600mAh with a discharge rate of 1.5C means that battery can output 2.4Amps. What does all this mean? Volts x Amps = watts. Watts = heat, hairdryers are rated in watts etc etc etc. I agree most comercial mods do the same thing. But its all about the package and durability. I just hate when some folks deside to bash comercial mods, makes me think one thing. Anyway I am done ranting
Chad

 

[warp1900]

I'm not very good at the electric stuff either Warped, thats why I keep my mouth shut when I don't know what I'm talking about. Just a little hint for your future posts.

If you read through the first 3 posts in this thread, i stated clearly through several lines what my personal experience is with mods and how far my knowledge of everything involved with mods goes. Just because i said later that i am not an expert on electronics, it does not mean i don't know what i am talking about when it comes to mods and batteries.

It is up to you if you choose to keep your mouth shut. I don't have to keep mine shut because i can perfectly discern facts from myths, which is the whole purpose of this thread.

Thank you for your hint, but it doesn't apply to me in this case.

 

[NekoGurrl]

... stock batts are at 4.2v just like the rest of the rechargeable 3.7 batts at full charge. What many people do not even look at is what the said battery is capable of in amps. Discharge rate in terms of C factor. it ranges from .5C up to 2.0C. What this means is that that battery can discharge(amps) at the discharge rate x mAh. So a battery with 1600mAh with a discharge rate of 1.5C means that battery can output 2.4Amps. What does all this mean? Volts x Amps = watts. Watts = heat...
Chad

Dead on, I'm sorry but the little 120-230 mAh batteries that come in the stock starter kits don't come close to what we've seen from the wonderful mods that members of this forum have made. We want consistency, and the larger mAh batteries can provide that in droves. Yes MODS are a way of providing that capacity to our atomizer of choice, the ways of do this simple process are endless, and there is no best way.

Warp is right, they are simply battery holders if you break them down to basics. Yet many that I've seen on this forum are simply works of art, you can see the time and love that have gone into their creation. I'm sorry, but at some point they go beyond being a simple battery holder, they become something you WANT to carry around.

I'm having fun building mods, tweaking things to get them to work, frustrated finding what I need to complete them. But I don't have the skills/tools/$$$ to come close to what some are producing.

I can appreciate all the hard work that has gone into the commercial products that are being sold, and they deserve our praise. This is a very new industry and we need to keep the energy flow positive, lets use it constructively.

 

[cddz]

One other thing before, Warp I will give you the design to my Silver Bullet, now go get it machined then come back to me and tell me what it is worth. That goes for all the commercialy made mods. When you learn what it takes and how much it cost to develope test and manufacture. Then you can complain about the cost of them. (just kidding about giving the design away)

 

[warp1900]

Dead on, I'm sorry but the little 120-230 mAh batteries that come in the stock starter kits don't come close to what we've seen from the wonderful mods that members of this forum have made. We want consistency, and the larger mAh batteries can provide that in droves. Yes MODS are a way of providing that capacity to our atomizer of choice, the ways of do this simple process are endless, and there is no best way.

Warp is right, they are simply battery holders if you break them down to basics. Yet many that I've seen on this forum are simply works of art, you can see the time and love that have gone into their creation. I'm sorry, but at some point they go beyond being a simple battery holder, they become something you WANT to carry around.

I'm having fun building mods, tweaking things to get them to work, frustrated finding what I need to complete them. But I don't have the skills/tools/$$$ to come close to what some are producing.

I can appreciate all the hard work that has gone into the commercial products that are being sold, and they deserve our praise. This is a very new industry and we need to keep the energy flow positive, lets use it constructively.

I agree some of the mods commercial or not are amazing pieces of work, you know i stated battery holders/containers/controllers, not only one or the other. I guess i should edit that and change it to holders+containers+controllers, would that make a little more sense?

Thank you NekoGurrl

 

[cddz]

I am a fan of altsmoke and we regularly chat on irc (#vapors on irc.xeromem.com) so when someone was doing a review of his Silver Bullet and started choking to the point of near death (well, it looked like it anyways) from a relatively small hit, I wanted to know why. Having just built my own flashlight mod and tested it out with 2x 3.0v cr2 batteries and getting a harsh taste, standard throat hit and med-low vapor I did not understand what caused the differences. I am/was under the impression that the OP (yeah, I love your RCA connectors too) was basically correct in the 3.7 = 3.7 = 3.7 = 3.7 = 3.7 arguement. I also asked altsmoke (not to put down his product, but because I WANTED TO KNOW!!) why his mod *seemed* to hit so much harder to a hardened vaper compared to a standard 510 or to my 6v mod. We came to the conclusion that there was no reason and he basically admitted that these mods are just a battery holder. You then have to look at the battery holder and ask why the price? Well there is high quality construction that has to be contracted out and lots of work to coordinate the build process. The design (and patent fees), warranty costs, shopping cart software, merchant account etc. Those all add up to make these cost more. While I myself would NEVER shell out that kind of cash for a battery case because I can build one myself, If I couldnt I would put a bit of thought into the SB.

Halopunker (spelling?) is (in my opinion) a nice guy and does not seem to be out to rip anyone off. He is selling a product he worked hard on building for a profit. If you choose to buy one, great, if not, whatever. If I were to charge for one of my screwdriver mods, I would probably charge like $40 or so. That is a lot more than I spent on the parts but the time it takes to make it and test it and ship it would require me to make at least that much to pay for my time.

I think all of you should stop fighting now because you are all arguing the same point, just from different perspectives.

Should have asked me Sorry this thread is big

 

[warp1900]

One other thing before, Warp I will give you the design to my Silver Bullet, now go get it machined then come back to me and tell me what it is worth. That goes for all the commercialy made mods. When you learn what it takes and how much it cost to develope test and manufacture. Then you can complain about the cost of them. (just kidding about giving the design away)

Why does everyone keep repeating this kind of stuff?
I am NOT against anyone selling either their work of art or just a an ugly box mod.
Don't take others words here as mine.
Please point to me where i said yours is not worth what you sell it for?

BTW cddz, your silver bullet is my number one favorite design together with the T1, both closest to perfect.

 

[cddz]

Why does everyone keep repeating this kind of stuff?
I am NOT against anyone selling either their work of art or just a an ugly box mod.
Don't take others words here as mine.
Please point to me where i said yours is not worth what you sell it for?

BTW cddz, your silver bullet is my number one favorite design together with the T1, both closest to perfect.

Guess I should have directed that in a more general way.

 

[DarkriftX]

Should have asked me Sorry this thread is big

I dont know who anyone is on here lol. I wasnt sure if you were the "altsmoke" who is on irc or not. I am still interested in knowing if you are willing to tell. I have an 18650 2400mah 3.7v pack on its way to go in my magnum mod and would love to hear your take on how to make it better.

 

[forcedfuel50]

Guess I should have directed that in a more general way.

You aren't kidding about cost and labor...whew...i've been machining all day....pay per hour is pretty miniscule....

 

[NekoGurrl]

I agree some of the mods commercial or not are amazing pieces of work, you know i stated battery holders/containers/controllers, not only one or the other. I guess i should edit that and change it to holders+containers+controllers, would that make a little more sense?

Thank you NekoGurrl

It's ok, I think the full moon is just having it's effect. At this point maybe it's best to let the dust settle...

 

[cddz]

I dont know who anyone is on here lol. I wasnt sure if you were the "altsmoke" who is on irc or not. I am still interested in knowing if you are willing to tell. I have an 18650 2400mah 3.7v pack on its way to go in my magnum mod and would love to hear your take on how to make it better.

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