MYTHS and FACTS about Batteries + mods

[cddz]

If you're "tired of explaining it" then gain a better understanding of what you're talking about, unless you're claiming that the Chinese are putting 13C+ rated batteries in their 510s (2.39A @ 180mah = 13.277 "C")

The "C" rating is a ratio comparing the capacity of the battery and the current draw placed upon that battery. It describes the current draw that the battery can provide in a stable manner - that's it.

If I have a 1000mah battery and I put a 1 amp draw on it, that is a 1C rate and the battery will drain in an hour. If I put that same 1 amp draw on a 500mah battery, that is a 2C rate and the battery will drain in 30 minutes.

If I put a 1 ohm load on a 5v battery, it is going to draw 5amps whether that battery was designed for a 1C rating or a 1000C rating. The only difference is going to be the stability of the battery at that discharge rate.

Hey my friend you need to get a better grasp of it, i am talking about the bigger batteries. If you were to have actually read what my post said you would have realized it was a copy and paste from somewhere on the internet. As far as stability, what the hell do you think is gonna suffer>???????!!!!?!?!? The voltage would you actually read someones post before you try to discredit it

 

[warp1900]

I don't know why the table keeps dissapearing from the 3rd post here, but that is why i had to re-post it here, sorry.


Here is a table of the types of batteries most commonly used by vapers.

All information on it is approximate and is intended only as reference since sometimes
you will find small size and rating differences even on same battery manufacturer models.

 

[Lucacri]

Warp, it disappeared again! If you want, send it to me and I put it on my server, it will be there forever

 

[warp1900]

Warp, it disappeared again! If you want, send it to me and I put it on my server, it will be there forever

But its not uploaded here, it's on my picasa account.

I sent you a PM Lucacri, thank you


Edit: Hehe, i see it.

 

[Lucacri]

Ok, here is the pict of warp1900

 

[mnealtx]

Hey my friend you need to get a better grasp of it, i am talking about the bigger batteries.

Well, YOU were the one claiming that the C rating determines the amperage, which is wrong whether it's a large or a small battery.

If you were to have actually read what my post said you would have realized it was a copy and paste from somewhere on the internet.

You *said* it was a quote - you didn't say where it came from and frankly, I didn't care.

As far as stability, what the hell do you think is gonna suffer>???????!!!!?!?!? The voltage would you actually read someones post before you try to discredit it

'Discrediting a post'... wtf? You gave out bad information and I corrected it.... grow up. You're acting like I disapproved your doctoral thesis or something.

 

[warp1900]

Thanx Lucacri, it's a mystery why it comes and goes.

 

[Lucacri]

I think it's picasa that cuts off the "lurking" of the image from a different site than Picasa itself.
No problem, anyways

 

[surbitonPete]

To complicate things ..my four AA 1.2volt, 2000 mah rechargeable batteries actually charge to 1.37 volts each in my charger so my mod actually starts off at 5.48 volts when I use four freshly charged batteries. Although I mostly use three of them and a dummy battery which give 4.11 volts fully charged. The batteries 'rated' voltage isn't the voltage you get. For some reason I get at least two full days of vaping about 3mill a day, whether I use three 2000 mah batteries or four. I can get a lot more vapour with a much shorter puff using all four batteries.

 

[kardjunkie]

Wow, i just spent way to long reading something that sometimes was over my head and could care less about and sometimes was fun reading and at sometimes to me seemed to be arguing over personal preferences. I don't know. Just needed to comment after the hour or so reading. All i want is a device i can plug in at night, use all day not have to charge/change batteries and be very consistent, have a main on/off so it wont go off in my pocket, be very durable like made of metal or something that can be dropped and would prefer 5v to the 3.7v. For that i would pay $200. Someone please make for me!?! I forget what this thread was all about anyways and dont want to read anymore. Sorry Warp, I know I am way of topic.

 

[raul]

As a first time ecig user I do wish the mods were available at cheaper prices, as a community one would think folks who have the skills would provide these to folks who don't at reasonable prices, which is parts plus time plus profit.

From my perspective as someone who just started reading up 2 weeks ago these mods are desirable for experimentation purposes but their high price makes them unaffordable for this.

So there is space for 150 dollar mods but also for 50 dollar ones, unfortunately all the mods are in the 100-150 dollar range which in my opinion are vastly overpriced. If these mods were available at 50-60 dollars which I believe would be profitable too there would be less controversy. But there is a gap here, and perhaps someone will fill it and get others to reconsider their pricing. Just my 2 cents.

 

[warp1900]

As a first time ecig user I do wish the mods were available at cheaper prices, as a community one would think folks who have the skills would provide these to folks who don't at reasonable prices, which is parts plus time plus profit.

From my perspective as someone who just started reading up 2 weeks ago these mods are desirable for experimentation purposes but their high price makes them unaffordable for this.

So there is space for 150 dollar mods but also for 50 dollar ones, unfortunately all the mods are in the 100-150 dollar range which in my opinion are vastly overpriced. If these mods were available at 50-60 dollars which I believe would be profitable too there would be less controversy. But there is a gap here, and perhaps someone will fill it and get others to reconsider their pricing. Just my 2 cents.

I think there is some confusion raul, there is a big difference between "commercial" mods and the mods many of us make in the forum.
The commercial mods were once just prototypes that have been perfected to a point where they are sellable and in most cases (not all), expensive to manufacture since it never reaches a "mass" production point.
On the other hand the many mods you can find in this forum, are either posted here for anyone to build for a few dollars or a few for sale (on the classified section), for a fraction of the cost of the commercial mods, even though they work as good as commercial mods, they are not made out of expensive raw materials such as aluminum. (some exceptions)

You can find many simple mods to build yourself that include step by step guides and all you need are some basic tools.

I hope this will help you around a bit.



^^^

 

[grumpster]

Ooops. Wrong thread.

 

[m68thomas]

I tried to read the entire thread but i got tired and skipped to the end.
This is for you warp1900 Stop arguing with cash. He is in manufacturing. and he has just about finished selling to the people who are willing to pay his ridiculous prices. If the rest of us modders keep reading this thread we will have less time to be competitors.

 

[Dredbull]

Supply and demand.

I have the tinkering skills of a demented ape, I can solder but most of my time is spent not wanting to due to work.
You do something long enough for a job and would you want to hunch over breathing glues and soldering if you have spent 10 hours a day doing it??

I made a choice to buy a quality first piece as a mod and not regretting it. It was out of frustration and almost desperation, and got a bunch of compliments on it today.

I think it boils down to is the motive of building vs. buying.
As with most things you get what you pay for.
And learning to do it yourself... If I could just get in and do it I would not want to buy it.

I also do not have the tools the space or the desire to spend more at this time, nor the desire and time to mod a piece of whatever to vape with. Since I am fairly new I spent the money and love it.. will it get me into modding? most likely not unless I forsee something going wrong with my SB in the near future.

 

[Scottes]

This is for you warp1900 Stop arguing with cash.

He stopped 2 months ago.

 

[googled]

I tried to read the entire thread but i got tired and skipped to the end.
This is for you warp1900 Stop arguing with cash. He is in manufacturing. and he has just about finished selling to the people who are willing to pay his ridiculous prices. If the rest of us modders keep reading this thread we will have less time to be competitors.

Compared to the price of a lathe his prices aren't ridiculous. I've made magnums and laser pointers for a fraction of the cost of the Prodigy/Protege but despite having 5volts and a fairly cheap to run mod I might still end up buying a Protege because it looks beautiful and is perfect for the purpose(for 510's). The atty caps make them versatile without ruining the look, the same goes a few a couple of other mods like the Silver Bullet . I don't consider any to be overpriced because to make something to those standards would be very expensive and very time consuming and you still wouldn't get to their standards.

 

[abhowe]

Just my uneducated opinion..... In the above posts, a so-called expert rated the top three mods and gave the reasons why.....
I own many E-Cigs and Mods..... Of course, my opinion is subjective...... Out of all the PV's I have used the GG is by far the best made (hand made) and the best performer..... I got many from watching review videos and false claims...... Go to the local mall and buy the E-Cig that promises 1 cart equals 2 packs of cigs......
I have bought american...... Sorry, the SB is pretty, but as I am concerned performs no better than some basement made mod in a nice package..... Get what you pay for.....

 

[ApOsTle51]

<snip> I don't consider any to be overpriced because to make something to those standards would be very expensive and very time consuming and you still wouldn't get to their standards.

Chinese made Big battery Mod Produced to ISO 9001:2000 Standards for $60 (£34)

901 Battery Mod Kit(Pre-Sale)

electronic cigarette/ e cigarette / Sailebao-- The leading R&D center and manufacturer of electronic cigarette

Any other Person here have ISO 9001 Quality Managment certification ?

Probably not.

Just like to add that Hand-made mods like the SuperT and adaptever are in a different league altogether. Those that have "production Runs" are mass produced.

And I'd Like to Agree with David ( forcedfuel) about the Free for review Bias. I have said the same from the beginning.

 

[googled]

I knew about the """Cisco""" and it was in the back of my mind when I made that post but it's not out yet~. The SB and Protege both look a hell of a lot nicer though. If I'm going to buy a mod I want one that I wouldn't have a problem using in public and a screwdriver lookalike doesn't fit that criteria.
I wonder how much the Chinese will sell those for if that's an intention, I mean HG's or EastMall.