Are "natural" analog cigarettes less addicting since they lack added chemicals? I am trying to quit analogs and have switched to Natural American Spirit cigs hoping to help break my analog addiction. any input is appreciated. Thanks
Natural analogs less addictive?
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Prior to vaping I was smoking American Spirit Blues.... I do not seem to have had some of extremes (such a mis-nomer (sp)) in switching as did some of my friends... I will tell you however, start vaping and quit the analogs all together you will be shocked. Also do not be afraid to try flavors... I am digging the coffee flavours I got but truth be told I cannot get over the double-mint flavor.
Not that I could tell. I smoked additive free cigs for years. Quitting is still a bear.
Unless the natural analogs have less nicotine I can't see how they would be less addictive. I've never read anything which even hinted that various additives to less 'natural' analogs would be addictive. I certainly don't know it all, but I have a hard time believing cig producers are adding addictive components in addition to the naturally occurring nicotine.
OTOH, eCigs had me drop a 35 year moderate smoking addiction (1-2 packs/day) instantly! It still blows my mind that I haven't even wanted an analog since January 15th. I DID smoke a couple since then ... just out of curiosity. Even while smoking, I was thinking how much more I'd be enjoying my ecig. It is STRANGE. Not everyone has been that successful in putting down analogs, and your mileage may vary.
OTOH, eCigs had me drop a 35 year moderate smoking addiction (1-2 packs/day) instantly! It still blows my mind that I haven't even wanted an analog since January 15th. I DID smoke a couple since then ... just out of curiosity. Even while smoking, I was thinking how much more I'd be enjoying my ecig. It is STRANGE. Not everyone has been that successful in putting down analogs, and your mileage may vary.
Well, to answer your question...it seems likely that they are less addictive to some degree.
I just looked around a bit and found some stuff.
Tobacco companies have working for decades on engineering cigarettes with additives that are not addictive in themselves, but may enhance the effects/addictiveness of smoking.
If you want a bit of a horror story about all the additives and the ones that cigarette makers have discussed in their internal documents, this is a good read:
Pharmacological and Chemical Effects of Cigarette Additives
But...it's possible that this effect gets canceled out for some. At least two (small) studies have found that smokers who switch to additive-free cigarettes manage to compensate.
I found this kinda interesting:
YMMV of course, these aren't huge studies by any means (10 smokers in that one).
I tried smoking American Spirits. Way too much for me in the taste/strength department. Whatever's added to the Parliament Lights I liked made a smoother, more tolerable flavor. Which, of course, let me keep smoking them... I suppose if I'd forced myself to only smoke American Spirits, I'd have cut down a lot, but I didn't see the point in taking the fun out of a vice while keeping the habit.
I just looked around a bit and found some stuff.
Tobacco companies have working for decades on engineering cigarettes with additives that are not addictive in themselves, but may enhance the effects/addictiveness of smoking.
If you want a bit of a horror story about all the additives and the ones that cigarette makers have discussed in their internal documents, this is a good read:
Pharmacological and Chemical Effects of Cigarette Additives
But...it's possible that this effect gets canceled out for some. At least two (small) studies have found that smokers who switch to additive-free cigarettes manage to compensate.
I found this kinda interesting:
YMMV of course, these aren't huge studies by any means (10 smokers in that one).
I tried smoking American Spirits. Way too much for me in the taste/strength department. Whatever's added to the Parliament Lights I liked made a smoother, more tolerable flavor. Which, of course, let me keep smoking them... I suppose if I'd forced myself to only smoke American Spirits, I'd have cut down a lot, but I didn't see the point in taking the fun out of a vice while keeping the habit.
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Not really. I remember when I switched from marlboro mediums to Am. Spirit Yellows... Went from a pack and a half a day to 3 - 4 cigs a day. They have more nicotine in them. much more. They also take way longer to smoke. sometimes I would not even finish smoking them.
I was a 3 pack a day smoker. About a year ago I went to the native natural analogs. No change in my habit. Started ecigs in December and still needed about 4 analogs a day for the first few weeks. Then the number started falling. I had one tonight after not having 1 for a couple of days I put it out after only smoking half.
I just posted this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...no-intention-quitting-cigarettes-but-yuk.html
I just posted this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...no-intention-quitting-cigarettes-but-yuk.html
Being a Biology major....not that I could add much to the science already posted, but the whole addicting atmosphere and why it is such a problem with cigarettes is based in many different areas, not just chemical.
Smoking is an approved, yes APPROVED, method of delivery for a SOCIALLY accepted drug. Just like alcohol. However, neither of these are treated as DRUGS. We treat alcohol as a drink and smoking as...well...just something to do to feel better. This makes access easy.
The chemical addiction, is of course to nicotine. We smoke to alleviate stress and become focused. These are scientifically proven results from smoking nicotine. However, it is only due to the method of delivery, which is inhalation. This provides the fastest route to the brain, other than injecting it directly into the blood stream, which could prove toxic or even fatal. The brain likes nicotine and it does it's mojo and bam.
One of bad things about nicotine, is that it doesn't last very long in the brain. It is processed pretty quickly, depending of course on how much you have smoked. But the brain will want more. So in essence, while we are smoking MORE to alleviate withdrawal symptoms, we are also smoking more cigarettes to alleviate stress, which is basically stacked. Stress from withdrawal PLUS stress from the environment = MORE stress than just being stressed from the environment.
Another part of the addiction lies in the behavior of smoking. We all smoke in different places...and get used to it. We get addicted to pulling the cig out...lighting it...and taking that first drag. Holding it in our hand. The whole hand to mouth thing. All addiction.
So while natural analog cigarettes may not have any of the chemicals, these chemicals do not have any addictive properties for the most part. The addiction lies in the nicotine and behvior. Along with the social acceptance of the practice. So they don't have the chemicals...but it doesn't make them any less addicting.
All this combined, makes smoking the most difficult addiction to treat.
Smoking is an approved, yes APPROVED, method of delivery for a SOCIALLY accepted drug. Just like alcohol. However, neither of these are treated as DRUGS. We treat alcohol as a drink and smoking as...well...just something to do to feel better. This makes access easy.
The chemical addiction, is of course to nicotine. We smoke to alleviate stress and become focused. These are scientifically proven results from smoking nicotine. However, it is only due to the method of delivery, which is inhalation. This provides the fastest route to the brain, other than injecting it directly into the blood stream, which could prove toxic or even fatal. The brain likes nicotine and it does it's mojo and bam.
One of bad things about nicotine, is that it doesn't last very long in the brain. It is processed pretty quickly, depending of course on how much you have smoked. But the brain will want more. So in essence, while we are smoking MORE to alleviate withdrawal symptoms, we are also smoking more cigarettes to alleviate stress, which is basically stacked. Stress from withdrawal PLUS stress from the environment = MORE stress than just being stressed from the environment.
Another part of the addiction lies in the behavior of smoking. We all smoke in different places...and get used to it. We get addicted to pulling the cig out...lighting it...and taking that first drag. Holding it in our hand. The whole hand to mouth thing. All addiction.
So while natural analog cigarettes may not have any of the chemicals, these chemicals do not have any addictive properties for the most part. The addiction lies in the nicotine and behvior. Along with the social acceptance of the practice. So they don't have the chemicals...but it doesn't make them any less addicting.
All this combined, makes smoking the most difficult addiction to treat.
I found mine to be more addictive being they were cheaper off the rez at about 10 bucks a carton and now about 24.00. So I was able to go to town and not hurt my bank account to much. Also they tasted better n that made me want more as well.
When I switched from an RJR brand of cigarettes (Misty Lights) to a comparable Indian cigarette, I had bad withdrawl from "something" - no matter how many I smoked. I am also lacking that "something" with vaping, even though I have, at times, taken in enough nicotine to make myself sick.
So it is not just the nicotine, or vaping or the patch would satisfy me. Nor is it something in natural tobacco - MAOIs or one of the naturally occuring alkaloids, or else the Indian cigarettes would have satisfied me.
Nothing scientific, just my own limited experience - but I assume there is "something" in commercial cigarettes that is not in natural ones. Then again, it might not be chemical at all, it could be something psychological between us and our brand of choice. That would be almost impossible to figure out, and would be different for each person.
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So it is not just the nicotine, or vaping or the patch would satisfy me. Nor is it something in natural tobacco - MAOIs or one of the naturally occuring alkaloids, or else the Indian cigarettes would have satisfied me.
Nothing scientific, just my own limited experience - but I assume there is "something" in commercial cigarettes that is not in natural ones. Then again, it might not be chemical at all, it could be something psychological between us and our brand of choice. That would be almost impossible to figure out, and would be different for each person.
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I think there is definitely something to this. It took me a LONG time to adjust to smoking camel menthol lights after Salem stopped producing the black label. Like you, the camels never satisfied my craving. I definitely think there is something to cigarette brands psychologically.
I smoked Amercian Spirits for several years, my reason for switching to them was that they were natural with no additives and I had hopes I would therefore be able to lay them down easier.
This was not the case. I tried cold turkey with them several times, I tried chantrix with them and I tried several methods of rationing them out.
None worked.
This was not the case. I tried cold turkey with them several times, I tried chantrix with them and I tried several methods of rationing them out.
None worked.
I smoked them for years---even used an exta filtering device. Get one of those and use it---you won't believe what it gathers in just a few hours of smoking. THEN think of the stuff it doesn't take out.
Quit. You now have the option of the PV, use it.
Quit. You now have the option of the PV, use it.
I also smoked an additive free cigarette. Had less trouble smoking them than I did with regular cigarettes. When I smoked 1 pack of regular cigarettes I would have a lot of trouble with coughing and phleghm but I wouldn't have that trouble with additive free cigarettes at that same amount. I could smoke double that amount and still not have that problem. I would have phlegm in the morning but not during the day like I would all day long with regular cigarettes. There definitely is a difference in the two and that is not psycological. The additives affect my lungs. Now as far as withdrawal, I have a problem getting off cigarettes. I stilll haven't fully switched over. I'm beginning to think I either need to switch to a 5v or I am going to have to add snus or alkaloids. I have to do something. The 510 isn't cutting it. Any suggestions out there on which way to go, pm me.
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You are looking in the right place. Look through this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html
It's a long thread but a wealth of the type of info you are looking for.
Hey dleerl
Vaping alone does not completely satisfy everybody. Many folks have quit smoking with e-cigs alone but there is a significant number of folks that can't quite pull it off with vaping alone.
For a quick idea of what I'm saying read through DVaps blogs.
The general idea is that there are alkaloids other than nicotine that we get from smoke. The liquid we vape has NONE of these additional alkaloids hence the not quite satisfied feeling so many folks have from vaping alone.
Take some time and read through the Smokeless Tobacco forum.
There is a growing number of users that are finding the addition of either Swedish snus or nasal snuff to their vaping is what it takes to completely get off the smokes.
You can purchase a helluva lot of snus and/or snuff and a bit of higher nic liquid for what a new 5v mod would cost would cost.
This discussion is of great interest to me.
As someone who stopped smoking commercial cigarettes three years ago, can say that moving from American Spirit reds and Nat Sherman Naturals, which were great, over to tobacco from Daughters and Ryan was amazing. I never looked back. I switched because my state added FSC paper which was making me sick. It wasn't just the fact that I was being overtaxed.
I still keep some jars of tobacco around and usually have at least one or two real cigarettes a day. However, that is down from 15-20 isn't it?
I have even experimented by adding small amounts of concentrated tobacco extract, made from my stock and filtered water, into regular eliquid. So far, it has worked nicely and did not kill the 801 atomizer.
I know that Vermont Vapor pours eliquid through tobacco. Don't most tobacco flavored eliquids contain some real tobacco extract? and wouldn't that in turn contain some of those other alkaloids that people seem to be missing?
As someone who stopped smoking commercial cigarettes three years ago, can say that moving from American Spirit reds and Nat Sherman Naturals, which were great, over to tobacco from Daughters and Ryan was amazing. I never looked back. I switched because my state added FSC paper which was making me sick. It wasn't just the fact that I was being overtaxed.
I still keep some jars of tobacco around and usually have at least one or two real cigarettes a day. However, that is down from 15-20 isn't it?
I have even experimented by adding small amounts of concentrated tobacco extract, made from my stock and filtered water, into regular eliquid. So far, it has worked nicely and did not kill the 801 atomizer.
I know that Vermont Vapor pours eliquid through tobacco. Don't most tobacco flavored eliquids contain some real tobacco extract? and wouldn't that in turn contain some of those other alkaloids that people seem to be missing?
When I work out the numbers on direct extraction of tobacco into propylene glycol/eliquid, it always turns up a very low concentration of nicotine/alkaloids.
The closest thing I've seen to efficacious would be TropicalBob's method of mixing a small volume of PG directly into a mini snus packet, and stuffing the packet directly into an atty.
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