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Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

Discussion in 'General E-Liquid Discussion' started by luceblueboy, Jan 27, 2014.

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  1. YePsTeR

    YePsTeR Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 4, 2010
    Northern Michigan
  2. checkum

    checkum Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Missouri, USA
    Only the Shadow knows..... :rolleyes:
     
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    felinefan Full Member

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  4. yourgurnard

    yourgurnard Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 3, 2015
    London
    Thanks for posting that; I'm in England & I'd never heard of 'em!
     
  5. Upinsmoke

    Upinsmoke Senior Member Verified Member

    Aug 2, 2017
    Suffolk UK
    I tried the Drakes Burley .
    It's a 50/50 PG/ VG.
    I'm guessing they extract in PG .
    Not my thing, I can take a little PG but 50% is too much for my lungs.
    The Kind Juice is all VG.
    Since I started making my own I find Kind Juice range a bit light on flavour.
    Last order I got a sample of a strange brew called Love Letter To Fiji.
    All tropical fruits and flowers , not normally my bag but nice on occasion.
     
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  6. checkum

    checkum Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Missouri, USA
    I'm with you. PG makes me cough or I get a rash after a while.
     
  7. checkum

    checkum Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Missouri, USA
    This may seem odd to some, but it works for me and maybe you also. Over time the small bottles of extract I keep handy for refills loose some punch. So I go to the basement and uncover the 16oz jars of that liquid, dump the small bottle of extract and refill it. Bam, it is fine again.
    Now what happens if the big jar has lost some flavor over the year? I have found that if I set aside some of the tobacco, in the freezer, I just add it to the big jar, shake it once a week for a month or so and refilter it. the juice is like new again! Try it, you'll like it! :pervy:
     
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  8. AnthonyB

    AnthonyB Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sydney Australia
    I am impressed with the Kindjuice line of NETs. These are definitely sweeter artisan NETs giving the tobacco flavors added dimension and a 3D quality. They are in the same genre as Goodejuice and I would say the Kindjuice NETs are reminiscent of that sweetness in Patriot by Goodejuice. These are very vapable NETs even for someone who doesn't usually appreciate Tobacco based juices.

    As with all the Kindjuice I have tried so far in my order, the NETs are very clean tasting and fresh.




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  9. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Hi all, I am new to this thread, and decided long ago that I didn't want the taste of tobacco in my e-liquids. But, my husband does want them (he's going to start vaping after Christmas) and informed me that I "need" to find him some e-liquids that he can use as he transitions. I have unflavored WTA that I plan to add to his mixes, but I am thinking that some different NETs would be the way to go. He also wants a throat hit, so a good ratio for PG/VG in a Kabuki tank which is what I plan to start him with would be helpful. I know NOTHING about better vendors that do NET well, and I'm assuming that he'd probably enjoy something that's true to tobacco as well as a couple of liquids that would have some other flavors incorporated?

    He's also a much less heavy smoker than I was, between 1/2 pack a day to a pack a day, and since he wants a throat hit, I don't want to use nicotine salts, but a recommendation for a nicotine level would be helpful as well... I'm thinking somewhere around the 12--18 mark, but I'm not sure exactly where to start... Probably higher at first?

    If someone could point me to some good NET juicemakers, I would supremely appreciate it as well as any advice you all would have.

    Thank you,

    Anna
     
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  10. Mazinny

    Mazinny Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 25, 2013
    NY
    I had success using NETs from Mountain Oak Vapors, Heathers Heavenly Vapes and Goodejuice. These are old school vendors and their prices are more reasonable than newer NET vendors like Black Note, and Kindjuice, whom i haven't tried.

    If you're using a kabuki, HHV may be more suitable as it's considerably less gunky than MOV and Goodjuice. Dark Horse from HHV is what i usually recommend to cigarette smokers who don't rebuild. Southern Gentleman and Sunday Morning from MOV are excellent too, as are Analog, Acadian Gold and Wild Turkey from Goodejuice. These are all less sweet options.

    I started with 18 mg, but i used PT2's and Iclear clearos at 7-8 watts. With a Kabuki in the 12-15 watt range, 12 mg should be more suitable imo.

    Good Luck !
     
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  11. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Thanks for the info, that's a great start for me. I appreciate it a great deal. I'm sure he'll eventually use an RTA, but he wants something easy to operate first. Oh, I could give him a Nautilus 2, but I really want him to succeed :) So he gets my 2nd favorite setup a P3 Provari and a P3 threaded Kabuki as I think he will find it difficult to mess up/break etc. I'm trying to slowly weeeannn myself from that setup by January, LOL. I will check into those juice makers and thank you for the advice. :)

    Anna
     
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  12. rdsok

    rdsok ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 17, 2012
    Norman, Ok
    Both the nic level and pg/vg ratio's are going to be pretty subjective with each vapor having their own preferences...

    The amount of nic that someone may want will also depend on the power level they vape at. Higher power levels will require lower nic levels and the reverse for the lower power levels. An example... for a low power ( say 6-12w range ) a nic level of the 12 - 18mg you mentioned would be pretty close but if he's vaping at higher power settings like 25-40w, perhaps something in the 6-9mg may be closer to what he'd prefer.

    PG/VG ratio's will be another subjective area. If a vaper wants more of a throat hit... a higher PG level may be warranted. If they prefer a thicker vapor, then they'd likely prefer more VG. So probably should try both directions .... perhaps in a 40/60 ( or 60/40 ) range and then tweak according to what he thinks his own preference is. Also understand that some people find they are sensitive to either PG or VG ( typically it seems I see more mention a PG sensitivity )... so that may also come into play.

    There are a lot of great NET vendor's out there... I'll list just one of my favorites... we tend to abbreviate it as N-E-T.com and similar... but it's really www.Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com, e-liquids for electronic cigarettes .... Probably look in the cigarette vapes for now ... Big Spirit is made from American Spirit's regular blend, Speaking Spirit and Organic Spirit are a couple other extracts from their other lines, the NS series are Nat Sherman types... They also carry a lot of other pipe, cigar and hybrids and you probably can't go wrong with most any of them. Look at the sampler selections where you can select several different ones to try out.
     
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  13. Mazinny

    Mazinny Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 25, 2013
    NY
    Excellent advice from RSDOK. NET.com slipped my mind, but yeah, they're the ones i used most. Excellent NETs about the same level of gunkiness as MOV, and a little bit gunkier than Goodejuice, and considerably more than HHV. Excellent option once he starts to rebuild.
     
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  14. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Thanks. I DIY my own e-juice, so nic level and whatnot can be amended. I will add those vendors to the list, I think I'll try smaller sizes from some different makers and see what he likes best, at first. If he stays with NET I guess I will be looking into THAT process, but I want to get him going first.... If he hates it, it's not like I cannot add flavor, PG, or whatever's needed, but I think the idea of 50/50 or 60/40 to start is a good one, and at least I have the ability to add flavoring if needed, but just had NO clue about NET generally. Thanks for the help rdsok! :)

    Anna
     
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  15. boomerdude

    boomerdude Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    If you mix your own you could also try NET.com's extracts or even go whole hog and make your own extract from tobacco. Less than $5 get's you 80ml's of extract for 400ml's of juice. :)
     
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  16. Mr.Mann

    Mr.Mann Visit the PIF Sub-Forum Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I knew you wouldn't leave us hanging. I am happy to know you got some enjoyment out of them. Just do me a favor: walk on the wild side next time and try some Harmony. lol

    But about their NETs: they're good. How's that for a cork-sniffing sumnation of their juice? haha

    Also, UMBA is having some type of crazy sale right now for like $10 per $30 mL of their NET/WTA juice. The TasteMaker Tobacco (or whatever it's called) is straight fire-cured (likely Latakia), but it's very well done and... clean on coils? Don't know how they do it, but I am using it in pod vapes and no burnt taste after several refills. Go figure!
     
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  17. 67Tele

    67Tele Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 23, 2014
    Austin
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    Announcing our WINTER HOLIDAY SALE!! This will be our last sale for the year 2017, and each order will be receiving 15 % off!!
    Sale will start now 12/19/17 through 11:59pm CST 12/21/17!

    As usual this discount will be applied at checkout!

    Thank you from your N-E-T Team!
     
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  18. AnthonyB

    AnthonyB Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sydney Australia
    Hi there, I've seen you around in other threads!

    Goodejuice Patriot, Fire Cured tobacco, Analog.

    Kindjuice : Highway 66 and Patriots Brew

    Blacknote

    I would recommend Real Tobacco Extracts but they are on the pricey side.

    I would recommend naturally-extracted-tobacco.com (NET.com for short( and Heathers Heavenly Vapes but their liquids are a mixed bag these days especially if they have stock that isn't turning over quickly.

    Try the cigarette NETs at NET.com and air cured burley. They are as close to a cigarette simulation as a recent smoker is likely to get.


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  19. AnthonyB

    AnthonyB Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jul 5, 2010
    Sydney Australia
    Yeah you were more flamboyant and stylised in your reviews back in the hey days lol

    You were actually the one who introduced me to the concept of NETs being '3D' or 'realistic' !

    I will try the harmony next time. It didn't come in any of the samplers but Radiance and Karma did.

    I was a bit more detailed about the Non-NETs from Kindjuice in the Gourmet E-juice thread but in summary I am finding the juices strikingly accurate to their descriptions. Teachers Pet and Once in a Blue Moon were juices I wasn't even that excited about but they are so good.


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  20. NotSoMini

    NotSoMini Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 13, 2014
    @stols001 — A lot of good advice given by everyone. Until recently I have been vaping NET.com although in my earlier years I did try other NET vendors. Some of my earliest flavors were Big Spirit, Organic Spirit and Dover Court (pipe). A year or so later, I started vaping the hybrids exclusively and I doubt that you will find another NET vendor that does hybrids (NET + flavors) like NET.com IMO.

    A few months ago I finally got into DIY. I have mixed a couple of NETs and synthetic tobaccos plus many non-tobacco flavors. I do not extract tobacco and instead buy the extracts. I tried Stixx Mixx which I like. The recommended percentages are low so will be upping the percentages next time.

    I have an assortment of mods and for whatever reason my ProVaris and Kabukis are my favorite set ups. The coils do gunk however easily changed and affordable IMO.

    Much luck to your husband in his transition.
     
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