Natural Tobaccos

[rdsok]

Out of the seven HHV juices I've had, this is the only one I didn't like. On paper it made complete sense; I enjoy HHV's tobaccos and these guys are from Georgia so they know peaches. In (my subjective) reality, it felt like the flavors were fighting. It was too much of a clash to be enjoyable. I didn't hate it by any means, but it's not something I'd buy again or recommend. A few HHV fans have mentioned that they also think the flavors clash. I'm curious to hear about your experience with this one.

Just a note on that one... If you'll notice it is last on the list of the two sample packs I got... I ran out of the ones I had thought were interesting and were listed as samples. I did remember it being reviewed a couple of times and I didn't recall them being "rave reviews" ... but I also wasn't going to shy away from it either.

 

[Jerms]

On the other hand, it might open a can of worms labeling any juice that uses TA, even if they make it themselves, as a NET. Allowing one could argue for allowing them all, and to allow all TA juices as NETs would result in a much bigger list, most of them pretty crappy (I'm looking at you Virgin Vapor). So, to allow an exeption, with maybe as asterisk or a new designation like NETA? That I can't answer, and don't know if it's in the scope of this thread to decide. Until an official lays down the law it will have to be personal decision.

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[VaporMizer]

On the other hand, it might open a can of worms labeling any juice that uses TA, even if they make it themselves, as a NET. Allowing one could argue for allowing them all, and to allow all TA juices as NETs would result in a much bigger list, most of them pretty crappy (I'm looking at you Virgin Vapor). So, to allow an exeption, with maybe as asterisk or a new designation like NETA? That I can't answer, and don't know if it's in the scope of this thread to decide. Until an official lays down the law it will have to be personal decision.

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I would bet that Vermillian River's tobacco base is bone stock commercial TA. Tastes absolutely identical to ecigexpress' Tobacco Absolute Diluted. It seems to be given a full pass as a NET here. I do kind of like it though, but still...

On the other hand,TA is a much deeper and more advanced extraction process than the others, so that company that does in-house TA is quite unique. Anyone can soak a cigar in PG/VG.

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

Ok... ignorance is bliss as they say... I can only defend my list by saying... plagiarism is not dead since I just copied a previous list.

While I can really claim ignorance on including vendors using TA, it wasn't my initial intent. Still with TA being in a grey area to some extent... I, just now, left the ones mentioned as using it and just put a notation in parens so both sides of that debate can be happy.... or neither one as it may be. . In no way, do I intend to debate this subject one way or the other.


I suspect that my thoughts on the stuff I ordered... won't be too elegant to say the least. When I said earlier that my palate was ignorant... it isn't an exaggeration. As an example on the NET Menthol... I believe I finally figured out what everyone means by having a hay like note in it but I'm still not certain that was it since I couldn't turn up my power to make the flavors stand out more. I also only have a concept of what "grassy" may be and I certainly have no idea of how the various tobacco notes should taste like yet... after all I am a cigarette smoker and not a cigar or pipe smoker even though I've tried them... If/when my throat quits acting up so much and I can crank up the power... I'll be referring back to other well worded reviews and see if I can learn more from them.

Until then... consider the following a first review ( of sorts )

Cough, cough, choke... cough, choke cough.... good stuff man... ( flashback to my younger days watching Cheech and Chong )

Definitely no debate intended, just clarification. I appreciate the list being brought forward. Just want to clarify apples from oranges you know


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[TheCatsPajamas]

I would bet that Vermillian River's tobacco base is bone stock commercial TA. Tastes absolutely identical to ecigexpress' Tobacco Absolute Diluted. It seems to be given a full pass as a NET here. I do kind of like it though, but still...

On the other hand,TA is a much deeper and more advanced extraction process than the others, so that company that does in-house TA is quite unique. Anyone can soak a cigar in PG/VG.

Hmmm that could be the case for the VR tobaccos but as far as the poker blends they definitely are not TA.

I agree that making your own TA is unique. However the method they use is not as unique as some extraction processes. This is where things become dicey. It's really hard to compare certain extraction methods with others when it comes to a CO2 extraction (controlled, sophisticated and done in a lab) vs Maceration (soaking something in pg/vg) because one is so much more involved than the other yet both can produce good results yet very different results. So when we separate them by results Net vs TA vs TE it's a little easier because the impart discernible distinctions in flavor. In the end it is enjoyable to make these distinctions and clarify these aspects of the Jucies we vape for a better comprehension of the product we are experiencing.


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[rdsok]

I'm going with the following advice since in my mind... the debate of including/excluding TA with NETs results depend on how I look at it...

 

[VaporMizer]

Hmmm that could be the case for the VR tobaccos but as far as the poker blends they definitely are not TA.

I'm out of all the VR stuff but I thought the tobacco base was pretty much the same for all the Premium Blends....anyway I specifically remember Classic Blend and I would say that was unmistakably TA. Not the perfumey flower TA but spot on taste and feel of about 1 drop ecigexpress "Tobacco Absolute Diluted" per 10 ml base...Exactly the same minus the little bit of vanilla, etc.

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

I'm out of all the VR stuff but I thought the tobacco base was pretty much the same for all the Premium Blends....anyway I specifically remember Classic Blend and I would say that was unmistakably TA. Not the perfumey flower TA but spot on taste and feel of about 1 drop ecigexpress "Tobacco Absolute Diluted" per 10 ml base...Exactly the same minus the little bit of vanilla, etc.

Interesting. The only tobaccos Ive had from VR are the poker blends. They are quite good.


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[billherbst]

Vermillion River is a tough one. Tobacco Absolute? Maybe, but maybe not. Or perhaps just a smidge. Certainly nothing like Mom&Pop or Moondrop, which are TA through-and-through (or, in the case of M&P RYO, Tobacco Extract, TA's rough-and-tumble offspring). I couldn't, however, be certain that the VR Kentucky Blends aren't TA based.

Although it's been stated often in numerous threads that Vermillion River is based on natural extract tobacco, supposedly straight from the horse's mouth of VR's juicemaster, I've never felt convinced. I vaped a lot of the Kentucky Premium series back in 2011---Premium, Vanilla, Maplewood, Blend No. 7, Amaretto. They were darned tasty juices and among my favorites for awhile (along with NLV Bounty Hunter, GOLD, and AVE Boba's), but I don't find myself reaching for any of them much these days. I don't even have any more Boba's, and all the rest---VR and NLV juices---have been sent to the old folks' home, where I visit them for about ten minutes a month. They've all got Alzheimer's now and don't even recognize me. Or maybe it's the other way 'round. Maybe I'm the one who no longer recognizes them! For whatever reason, I've moved on---all those juices are simply not in the same league (they all strike me as TINOs) and have been swept off the table for me by the current generation of NETs.

I agree that VR's Kentucky Premium series are all variations on a theme, like an Italian restaurant that offers 17 different pasta dishes on the menu, every one of which is made with the same marinara sauce. Classic Blend is a bit different, though. I don't recall it having any vanilla. After all, Classic was designed to be VR's attempt at a straight tobacco replicant. Kentucky Premium clearly has some vanilla, and Kentucky Vanilla has a lot, but I don't think Classic has any. I could be wrong, of course.

All right, I just atty-dripped some Classic to refresh my memory, but it's a hung jury. I really can't tell what's in it, except for something vaguely sweet. Doesn't taste like an NET to my brain. Heck, maybe it is TA plus a synthetic tobacco. Lots of other flavors in there as well, though.

While I haven't tried them, I think it more likely from the descriptions I've read that the Poker Blends might be straight NETs.

 

[scarf-ace]

I just purchased my first non-NET tobaccos in ages... Gamel, Blend 4 and C& D from AVE, along with Boba's which i like ok, and Gorilla Juice, which I have never tried. Curious to see if I have utterly lost my taste for synthetics.

I am also going to pick up some Caramel Spanish Gold from Sweet-Vapes. Who has tried this? Bill, I will have to look at your Big List.

 

[billherbst]

I just purchased my first non-NET tobaccos in ages... Gamel, Blend 4 and C& D from AVE, along with Boba's which i like ok, and Gorilla Juice, which I have never tried. Curious to see if I have utterly lost my taste for synthetics.

I am also going to pick up some Caramel Spanish Gold from Sweet-Vapes. Who has tried this? Bill, I will have to look at your Big List.

scarfy,

Good luck with the synthetics! It would be so nice if our palates would embrace both NETs and synthetics, but that hasn't been my experience. Most synthetic tobaccos now taste unacceptably artificial to me.

Caramel Spanish Gold from Sweet-Vapes is an NET. It's got good tobacco presence, but it's an extremely caramel-rich hybrid. I've been vaping Caramel Spanish Gold since November 2011 and am now on my fifth bottle. I've slowed down with it considerably, so my current bottle will last a long time, but I still keep it clearo-loaded on its own PV and at the ready, and I continue to vape it at least a little bit every other day or so.

 

[PapawBrett]

Hey y'all, hope everone here is well. Just got back from a two-day run to find VAPEMAIL ! Gonna try some 100% VG NETs. From MVJ Country Squire, Country Squire Caramel Tobacco, My Hero, My Hero Vanilla and a gift Rogue RY4. (why the included bottle of distilled water ?). From VCV Blue Beard, White Beard, Caramel Tobacco and Vanilla Tobacco with a gift Burley Beard. All small bottles at 12mg nicotine, plus a few sweets. Maybe this will cure my curiosity for awhile.....

 

[johni]

I started reading this thread after about a month of using prefilled cartos and BWB Backo. The extraction of tobacco for a more realistic vaping experience made perfect sense. When better gear and my first NETs arrived, I fired some Huntsman up immediately, smiled, and knew this was going to work for me. I have since enjoyed trying a bunch of NETs and even a few better TA juices just so I knew the difference. Would I still be smoking if not for NETs, I'm not sure but I probably wouldn't be vaping.

Bill, I'm really thankful that I haven't had to endure the trial and error that you and many others have had to endure. Trying so many products just to find a few tolerable and fewer good had to be exasperating! I've said it before but another big thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread and to the vendors that make awesome tobaccos.

 

[rdsok]

FYI...

It appears that Ahlusion will be accepting new accounts either Friday or Monday per their website.

 

[Jerms]

Hey y'all, hope everone here is well. Just got back from a two-day run to find VAPEMAIL ! Gonna try some 100% VG NETs. From MVJ Country Squire, Country Squire Caramel Tobacco, My Hero, My Hero Vanilla and a gift Rogue RY4. (why the included bottle of distilled water ?). From VCV Blue Beard, White Beard, Caramel Tobacco and Vanilla Tobacco with a gift Burley Beard. All small bottles at 12mg nicotine, plus a few sweets. Maybe this will cure my curiosity for awhile.....

Nice! The bottle of distilled water would be to thin the all vg liquids if you use cartos or another delivery device that has problems wicking thick juice. I believe you use RBAs? In that case it'll make a good drink of water lol. Pretty cool of her to include that, never seen that before. Some offer to thin it or automatically thin vg juices.

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[Jerms]

I just purchased my first non-NET tobaccos in ages... Gamel, Blend 4 and C& D from AVE, along with Boba's which i like ok, and Gorilla Juice, which I have never tried. Curious to see if I have utterly lost my taste for synthetics.

I am also going to pick up some Caramel Spanish Gold from Sweet-Vapes. Who has tried this? Bill, I will have to look at your Big List.

Did you ever try Smooth & Mild from TPR? One of my personal favorite synthetic tobaccos I've had.

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[scarf-ace]

Did you ever try Smooth & Mild from TPR? One of my personal favorite synthetic tobaccos I've had.

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I have tried that. I vaped 10mls without yet figuring out whether I liked it or not

 

[Jerms]

I have tried that. I vaped 10mls without yet figuring out whether I liked it or not

Ha! I can totally see that. It's a juice that I would have a hard time recommending, but for me it just nailed something I didn't know I even wanted in a flavor until I had that. Definately a personal favorite more than something I'd tell others they need to try.

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[rdsok]

Vendor: - Heather's Heavenly Vapes

Liquid: - Legend ( aka Gandalf #? )

Ratio: - 70/30 PG/VG

Nicotine: - 12mg.

Equipment: - VAMO using an IGO-L RBA dripping atty 5w - 8.5w

After having received the 8 HHV samples yesterday and letting them breath opened for just over 24hr... I really wanted to at least do a little bit of pre-taste testing before these had any real steep time. ( EleanorR had school me well in steep, but hadn't dampened my curiosity in the least ). I was a bit concerned about my irritated throat but after my sinus' had cleared... most of the irritation had calmed down to a manageable level... so... I grabbed the Legend ( Gandalf #? )

Being a bit cautious of my throat... I set the VAMO down to 5w and took an exploratory vape... TH was very mild and I noticed a sweetish cherry flavor with a bit of perfume to it... the kind of perfume that I usually see disappear later as a juice has had time to steep. At this low of a power setting, I wasn't surprised to not taste any tobacco flavor at all... I bumped up to 5.5w and took another quick vape without issue, noticed what I felt was a tobacco flavor but it wasn't much so I quickly bumped it to 6w. Now the tobacco started to peek out were I could taste it even if I couldn't distinguish much about it.

Up to this point... The flavor and throat hit both were very mild and smooth... extremely enjoyable in fact. Instead of just continuing to bump the power up... I just ran it up to 8w and the throat hit did come up a little but not a lot. The vape was still very smooth to the point of almost calling it soft and velvety. The tobacco notes were finally showing themselves nicely but I'm starting to suspect they will build during a good steep. Continuing to vape it at 8w for a bit... I get curious and bump it to 8.5w and took a toot... it started to irritate my sensitive throat so I backed it down again.

Already at this early stage before the juice has had time to steep and develop... The only flavor issues I have at this point are the slight perfume-ish notes I'm getting with the cherry. I suspect those will vanish in no time actually. I also suspect that the tobacco notes will develop a little more than I'm currently getting and if so, that will only further improve the flavor towards my own preferences.

I seem to recall either a review or a comment that mentioned a tootsie roll flavor... I don't get that at all but for me, chocolate, coffee and tobacco flavors often are too close together for me to separate them unless they are in my face. I also am a bit weak on detecting vanilla flavors when present and blended with other flavors except for their smooth and/or creamy "texture". I expect, or hope, that these weakness's in my ability to taste those flavor notes are from my lack of experience more than my inability to detect them.

 

[Jerms]

Thanks for the review rdsok. I probably have the least HHV experience on this thread, but that will change with my next orders. Even though it was just a few samples several months back, I know exactly what you mean by soft and velvety. Very unique to HHV. Just out of curiosity, how do you set up your IGO; SS, silica, or something else?

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