need advice: miss my hard analog troath hit but still love my system + e juice :S

[kotje]

hi,
I was wondering if any could advice something for my situation.

I use a riva 1100 deluxe ( PV ) @ 3.7Volts with vivi nova 2.5 with a atto+wick of 1.8ohm I think (its the lowest resistance, that I know)
with the 24mg gold&silver e-juice --all from vapeescape.co.uk, if that makes any difference--

I love everything about it really, the taste, no urge for analogs , actually the opposite , I hate the smell of it and tried one puff ones in a while from friends and its horrid (it's like I can taste all 4000 chemicals in it , dont know how else to put it , lol).

Now as the title already told you , as my vaping experience is great I still look to improve 2 things...

1: that hard feeling when you inhale should be 500% better ( I know it doesn't do anything nicotine-wise , its just the feeling)
and
2: the heat of the vapor is also something ill would like to increase.

I realize my vaping I got is perfect for me ,in a sense... but I would just like you're advice on how to make it even better with the 2 points I would like to improve. I am still quite new to vaping as my signature will show.

looking forward to all your suggestions

friendly regards,

bryan

 

[Underwhelmed]

A variable voltage voltage device would allow you to get a warmer vape. An eGo C Twist is a nice relatively inexpensive variable voltage device I would recommend.

I've read of people adding a small amount of vodka to their juice to increase throat hit. I've never done that, so I can't help you with that.

 

[cskent]

With 1.8 ohms @ 3.7v you're getting about 7.6 watts. I usually vape in the 10 to 11 watt range by running 4.2v and 1.5 to 1.7 ohms. I'm getting great TH with this combination, so much so that if you're not expecting it it'll make you cough. I know because I let a couple of people at work who were using disposables try my setup after they complained it wasn't enough like smoking .

I'd suggest you invest in something that'll let you run higher voltage. At 1.8 ohms you'd probably be ok with 4.2 to 4.5v. An eGo Twist would give you adjustability, and they're fairly inexpensive. Another option would be a VV APV, although they're generally quite a bit higher in price.

 

[RsK0807]

i second the Ego Twist idea, at least as a start, to see if the higher voltage kills 2 birds with one stone... for $20-$25, it won't break the bank, and it gets you into the VV world...

 

[kotje]

going for a provari would be overkill then?

 

[cskent]

going for a provari would be overkill then?

I wouldn't say overkill, it's just that for a lot less cash you can see if it gives you what you want. If it does then you can move on from there if you feel the need. If it doesn't work for you, you don't have a whole lot invested in it.

 

[klynnn]

If you are not a menthol smoker try adding a drop of menthol to your juice, it helps mine.

 

[NancyR]

Nic = throat hit
PG = enhances th and flavor
VG = mutes th and flavor adding vapor

If you want to stick with a 3.7 device, try upping the pg and using a bit of menthol (not much just a touch), cinnamon or koolada

 

[tsafur]

Each device gives a different throat hit even using the same juice. When i want a good throat hit, i will grab one of my Orions. That thing hits hard! Harder than any rba tank on my provari. You might want to try some different rebuildables atty's. Every one has a different draw and throat hit. i had to go down on my nic level on most of my good rba's.

 

[steved5600]

Some add grain alcohol to get that throat hit. I don't know how much though. I don't like the TH. So I don't do it . If you are cranking your voltage to get that hit you will fry the atty quicker. Also drains the battery quicker.

 

[steved5600]

Oh when I use some fruit flavors or get Vit. C i get a bit more of a TH.

 

[kotje]

With 1.8 ohms @ 3.7v you're getting about 7.6 watts. I usually vape in the 10 to 11 watt range by running 4.2v and 1.5 to 1.7 ohms. I'm getting great TH with this combination, so much so that if you're not expecting it it'll make you cough. I know because I let a couple of people at work who were using disposables try my setup after they complained it wasn't enough like smoking .

I'd suggest you invest in something that'll let you run higher voltage. At 1.8 ohms you'd probably be ok with 4.2 to 4.5v. An eGo Twist would give you adjustability, and they're fairly inexpensive. Another option would be a VV APV, although they're generally quite a bit higher in price.

funny to hear this , my friends that still smoke analogs tried my setup after explaining them how to vape ( for 6 seconds )
LMAO

btw would a lower resistance atty result in the same effect?
and i guess i should post a new thread on witch materials i should use to make my own wicks and coils in the DIY part of the forum

 

[kotje]

and to answer most of your replies...
also i like vodka but is it save for your PV ?
i dont like menthol btw , i got gold&silver juice for the low fruity taste and the high PG of 70 % and money doesnt grow on trees to buy 50 different e-juices ya know.
vit. C ??? what ya mean ? vitamins?
never done DIY too btw
i guess you get my point

 

[cskent]

A lower resistance would achieve the same effect, but 1.8 ohms is the lowest currently available for your setup.

Vodka is safe to add to your juice, some DIY'ers use is all the time.
100% PG juice will give you more TH, but less vapor.
Some juice makers will add vitamins, or other things such as caffeine, to juices on request.

 

[FleetFoxes]

Nic = throat hit
PG = enhances th and flavor
VG = mutes th and flavor adding vapor

If you want to stick with a 3.7 device, try upping the pg and using a bit of menthol (not much just a touch), cinnamon or koolada

Woah! Like adding a little cinnamon powder???

 

[mostapha]

A lower resistance would achieve the same effect, but 1.8 ohms is the lowest currently available for your setup.

Well…s/he could rebuild it and aim lower.

going for a provari would be overkill then?

Probably. But there are other reasons to get it.

If you can deal with the menu system it's a really impressive device. I'm getting one at some point, and part of the reason is to get a little more power to vivi nova coils. With a 1.8 ohm VN head, the Twist maxes out at around 12W in an ideal world and probably closer to 11W in real life. It's awesome. I don't taste or feel anything with it set at 3.7V……I don't think I've ever had mine set below 4V with a 1.8 ohm vivi nova head except out of curiosity.

A Twist/Spinner would be a step up. A Kick in basically any mod that can run it would be a step up. Basically any VV would be a step up. Or you could try rebuilding and aiming for more like 1.5 ohms.

 

[jimrug1]

I am very much a noob here so correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me any decent vv batt you are using can produce a strong TH depending on the juice you are using. I have invested in a variety of juices from different venders. Different PG/VG ratios, nic levels etc. I have an Ego Twist and can get a TH that is stronger than Lucky Strike Straights w/ some juices and no TH from other juices. Doesn't the TH depend much more on the composition and nic level of the liquid you are using than the device?

 

[kotje]

I am very much a noob here so correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me any decent vv batt you are using can produce a strong TH depending on the juice you are using. I have invested in a variety of juices from different venders. Different PG/VG ratios, nic levels etc. I have an Ego Twist and can get a TH that is stronger than Lucky Strike Straights w/ some juices and no TH from other juices. Doesn't the TH depend much more on the composition and nic level of the liquid you are using than the device?

the juice does matter because of the PG % that increases TH and also the same with the nicotine levels but
as I have been searching this subject for a few weeks the most difference comes from the voltage and the resistance of your setup ( volts and ohms with the output levels in wattage as can been seen in one of the first posts )
also you dont stop using a juice you like just because it's TH is to low > why you wonder? easy, you can get a new setup for the same price of 100ml of juice. if you dont stop , it's only the long run that counts money-wise and ones your using high PG levels and high nic levels there isnt much to do anymore ya know.
i used to smoke 60 to 90 analogs a day...

I may have started this thread but those are things I can tell you for sure, if any think I'm wrong or know so pls reply.

 

[Matthew Shelbourn]

Flavoring in juice makes a huge impact. Some company's juice A will have no throat hit and their juice B will have lots of it. Flavoring plays just as big of a roll as pg/vg ratio. If u want throat hit you should try out some of halo's tobacco flavors in my experience they have plenty of throat hit for just about anybody. Check out juice reviews. There is more to throat it that just nic pg/vg and wattage

 

[kotje]

Flavoring in juice makes a huge impact. Some company's juice A will have no throat hit and their juice B will have lots of it. Flavoring plays just as big of a roll as pg/vg ratio. If u want throat hit you should try out some of halo's tobacco flavors in my experience they have plenty of throat hit for just about anybody. Check out juice reviews. There is more to throat it that just nic pg/vg and wattage

if I'm not mistaken many are not really happy with those as they need weeks if not a month to steep
I have read many reviews for halo's juices some time ago.
but i guess you have a point as adding vodka seems to add TH to your juice. witch seems extremely popular with users.

still i got a juice i like (gold&silver 24mg of nic) and just want to improve it, witch is the point of this thread anyway.

i already WASTED 50 euros on sample juices witch are all crap and almost all are unvapeable unless i add a "neutral" juice like marlboro witch is like vaping air imo.