New Generation Showdown: Darwin vs ProVari

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First there were simple mods - nothing more than a battery in a tube with a button and an atty connector. Then there were 5V mods, which used two batteries and a linear 5V regulator to get closer to the "sweet spot". Then they turned it up a notch with variable linear regulators - letting people tweak the voltage exactly how they want it. The latest generation of mods takes it a step further by using switching power supplies instead of linear regulators. This allows for better, more efficient power control, which should provide a more consistent vape and better battery life.

Technically, the first purchasable mod using a switching regulator was Nuck's fistpack. It was well liked by those who bought it, but it was quite large, and lacked the refinement of a manufactured mod. Nearly a year after the fistpack, there are finally a pair of manufactured mods on the market using switching power supplies. They use two different types of switching systems though, and this leads to surprising differences in performance. These are currently the pinnacle of mod design (at least from an electrical engineering perspective), and they are the ProVari from ProVape and the Darwin from Evolv.

Both units have been extensively reviewed independently, but I do not know of any reviews which compare them directly to each other. I have had the ProVari for about a month, and the Darwin for about a week. I feel comfortable enough with both units now to try to provide some insight on how they measure up against each other. There are definite differences between the two - both from an engineering standpoint and in practical usage. I admit I do have a favorite, but I will try to keep the comparison as neutral as I can.

Physical Characteristics
The ProVari is certainly the more traditional of the two. It continues a long tradition of tube-with-button mods. If you are accustomed to a tube mod, there will be no surprises here. Evolv decided to throw out the standard design options and go with something different. Sort of a long, thin box with a swiveling, side-mounted atty connector. The Darwin has caught a lot of flack for it's unusual design, but I have to agree with everyone else who actually owns one - it works. It is quite comfortable to hold and not the least bit awkward. The Darwin is a bit wider than the Provari, but it compensates by being thinner. The body on the Darwin is longer, but with the atty swiveled down, it is still shorter than the ProVari with with an atty in place. This, along with being thinner, makes it a bit easier to stick in a pocket.

The most surprising difference between the two units is the weight. The Darwin weighs in at 4.7oz. The ProVari weighs 5.3oz with an 18500 battery and 5.9oz with an 18650. I wouldn't go so far as to say the ProVari is too heavy, but it's noticeably heavier than the Darwin and certainly heavier than it needs to be.

Appearance-wise, the Provari is definitely more polished. The black enamel looks great, and everything is machined perfectly. The Darwin looks more like a one-off prototype. There are tool marks from the CNC process visible everywhere, and the engravings on the back are very rough. Mine also came with a bit of debris under the protective film on the display. I removed the film entirely when I disassembled the unit, so it's no longer an issue, but that shouldn't be necessary.


Battery Life
This was my main concern in choosing a mod. The ProVari's battery life is, in a word, disappointing. A full 1600mAh IMR 18650 lasts barely 4hrs of moderate vaping at 5.2V. It's even worse with an 18500. A 10 hour work day with an hour of commute requires four battery changes. I keep a charger at work as well as at home, but it's really more hassle than it should be. Some people are reporting better battery life with other 18650 batteries, but the AW IMRs were what the manufacturer recommended, so those are what I bought. I'm not sure I would trust cells that weren't rated for high discharge in a boost mod like the Provari.

The Darwin has no problems getting through a long work day on a single charge. I could probably go a full 24hrs before the battery ran flat, but I usually just plug it in as soon as I get home. Having the charger built in (mini-USB connector) is nice, as I am almost always near a computer and could charge at any time while still being able to vape.

As other reviews have mentioned, the battery gauge on the Darwin is not linear. It stays pinned at full for the first third of the charge, then drops faster as the cells run down. It's not really a problem if you're aware of it though, and it certainly beats the ProVari in battery monitoring. With the Provari, you can either press the button 11 times to get the battery voltage, or wait until the button starts blinking to alert you that you're almost out of juice.


The Button
A lot of importance is placed on how well the button operates, and rightfully so. After all, you're going to be pushing it a lot. The Provari wins this category for sure. The button is a squishy membrane type (think button on an xbox controller). It provides good tactile feedback and it lights up when pressed. There have been a few instances where the button would hang up if pressed at an angle, but it is rare and easily avoidable.

The Darwin's button is actually a little brass plate that presses a microswitch. It only moves a fraction of a millimeter, won't work at all unless you press the top edge, and unless you press fairly hard, it can lose contact before you release it. This is probably the Darwin's weakest point.


The "User Interface"

The Darwin looks like an easy winner here, with it's informative dot-matrix LCD display and easy-to-operate adjustment wheel. It is easier to use than the Provari, but it doesn't win by as much as you might think. While the Provari's one-button menu system makes it more difficult than I'd like to check the battery level or change the voltage, the thumb wheel on the Darwin makes changing the power too easy. A wheel with detents or two small buttons would have been a better choice than the wheel that Evolv picked. The LCD display is nice though.

While we are on the topic of design choices, I would be remiss in my duties if I didn't mention Evolv's choice to use power regulation instead of simple voltage regulation. As an engineer, I approve. It is more accurate across multiple attys, and it just feels right to measure what is essentially heat output in watts. That said, I can understand why many non-technical users, who are just now getting used to the concept of "volts", don't want a whole new concept thrown at them.


Vaping Performance
They both vape great. Honestly, once you set the voltage/power level to your preference, they hit pretty much the same.


Price
The Darwin is $230, the ProVari is only $160. $70 is a pretty big difference... Or is it?

The Darwin at $230 is essentially complete. The only thing it doesn't come with (and for that price, it really should) is a mini-USB cable. Most people have them lying round the house anyway, and you can get them for $2 shipped on ebay if you don't. With the ProVari, $160 only gets you the base unit - you still need batteries and a charger. Because the battery life is so short, you'll need at least two batteries, and they'll need to be high-discharge. Even if you already have two high-discharge 18650s and a charger lying around, you will need the $24 18650 end cap. If you don't, you will need two AW IMR 18500s ($11 each) or two AW IMR 18650s ($12 each) and the adapter end cap ($24). If you have to buy a full kit from scratch (two 18650s, endcap and a charger), the grand total is $223 - only $7 less than a Darwin.


Misc. Issues
The Provari has no off switch. It can be turned off, but it requires about a dozen button presses to disable the button, and another dozen to turn it on. For me, this is more trouble than its worth. Combine that with it's soft, easy to press button, and it's kind of a problem if you carry it in your pocket. I carry my PV in my shirt pocket, and there are lots of times when I would cross my arms or carry a large box and hear a sizzle as the button was accidentally pressed. The Darwin shuts off when the arm is down, so you can't have those sort of accidents.

The Darwin does not have any real drip-catching capability. This isn't much of an issue if you use cartomizers (as I do), but if you drip into a standard atty, you're almost certainly going to end up with juice runoff at some point. The Provari has a nice reservoir built into the top to catch drips.

The Darwin is more user-serviceable than the Provari, but only by default. As far as I can tell, there is no way to remove the PCB from the Provari without causing permanent damage. If there is any problem with the board, it will have to be sent back. The Darwin is held together with five brass screws and you can take it apart if you want to. However, the spring-loaded ball bearing that clicks into place when the arm is fully up or down will invariably shoot across the room when you pull the case apart. Getting that bearing and spring into place for re-assembly is tricky. The brass button plate isn't a joy to get in place either. It could be worse, but it could be a lot better too. I do not relish having to take it apart again to replace the battery in a couple years.


Conclusion
For me personally, the battery life and size/weight of the Darwin make it my favorite. If you have different considerations, you might very well prefer the Provari. Both units are very good, but neither is perfect. If the Darwin had a drip-cup and a better button, it would be a home run. If the Provari had a couple extra buttons for voltage adjustments and about 4x the battery life, it would be a home run. For now, either one will do, depending on your needs.





 
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Misc. Issues
The Provari has no off switch. Combine that with it's soft, easy to press button, and it's kind of a problem if you carry it in your pocket.
Not exactly true. Provari doesn't have a separate on/off switch, but the device could be switched on/off pushing the button 9 or 10 times.
 

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Outstanding review, candre! I have a much better sense of these two devices – in and of themselves – and how they compare. [My personal conclusion based on your review: Wait for Darwin V2 (i.e., addressing those Achilles Heels you pointed out).]

I've not seen much of you recently ... at least in the subforums that I inhabit most. [In checking your posts, I notice that you were OUTSIDE a lot earlier this year.]
 

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thanks Candre, good job and needed; for those that are sweating "the decision" on which "smart pv" to buy... not to mention newbies that are interested.
Practical and technical aspects are varied and have to be taken into the equation, and without getting too technical, you nail the significant issues with a good perspective on what's important to both the casual and the intensely interested.

I get excited about vaping and when i find gear or juice that's killer, I tend to want to share it here with the community.
I could never keep so objective about these great PV's without getting caught in the emotion of it all... expressing joy at finding great vape gets that way with a lot of us here.
Especially with these two PV's and companys... both have superb state of the art product, made here, and customer service; Provari has an ongoing thread where we can interface with the vendors.

I've had both PV's and problems have been handled immediately! Brandon got me another Darwin before I even shipped mine back to him, and Provape got me taken care of fast.

I settled with Provari because it is easier to use; just as you described, and the wider range of application that Darwin has just doesn't matter to me more than ease; as long as I am getting the sufficient amount of range (2.0 to 4.+ Ohm resistance) that the Vari does handle.
The button is so easy to use, and tactile enough not to be too easy, clicking through the menu is a breeze (and fun). Once you've set your target voltage with the 5 clicks for Up, or two more for Down (in .10 increments) your set.
Checking atty resistance specs, battery life, etc is a joy... when it's desired.
The Provari does have an On Off function, as well as button light Off or On.
I do about 70% of my vaping at home; have 2 Vari's, 9ea IMR 18650's and a Pila charger... rotating 4 of them currently (I recharge 2 a day).

In another thread here, when i mentioned my concerns about the button being hard to press, and lack of catchment for leaks or drips, one enthusiastic Darwin lover said I was wrong... just wrong. Please... both vendors can't get them put together fast enough to supply current demand. There's no need to stifle honest enthusiasm.

I mentioned to the Darwin vendor just what DonDaBoom said; "Darwin V2".

All those cool functions that both provide are damn fun... and the most important thing imo is that with the variable regulated power to the atty (any atty - or carto or tank) for consistent volt/watts, you get the same killer vape every single time regardless of what stage of decline the battery charge is in.
 

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Not exactly true. Provari doesn't have a separate on/off switch, but the device could be switched on/off pushing the button 9 or 10 times.
I edited the relavant section to make note of this. I was aware of the feature, but it's really too much trouble for me to use.

Outstanding review, candre! I have a much better sense of these two devices – in and of themselves – and how they compare. [My personal conclusion based on your review: Wait for Darwin V2 (i.e., addressing those Achilles Heels you pointed out).]

I've not seen much of you recently ... at least in the subforums that I inhabit most. [In checking your posts, I notice that you were OUTSIDE a lot earlier this year.]
Thanks, Don. You're pretty much the king of thorough reviews around here, so that really means something. I agree that an updated version could easily make the Darwin a total success.

I've been around, just not nearly as active as I was previously. PVs have gone from a constant obsession to a just regular part of life for me, so I don't spend hours per day here any more.

I got one of these drip shields to go with my Darwin.
Do those work with 510 cartos without adapters? If so, I'll order one today.
 

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I edited the relavant section to make note of this. I was aware of the feature, but it's really too much trouble for me to use.


Thanks, Don. You're pretty much the king of thorough reviews around here, so that really means something. I agree that an updated version could easily make the Darwin a total success.

I've been around, just not nearly as active as I was previously. PVs have gone from a constant obsession to a just regular part of life for me, so I don't spend hours per day here any more.

Do those work with 510 cartos without adapters? If so, I'll order one today.

You'll want at least a 510:510 extender on the Darwin to use 510 atties and it be functional.

I keep at least a 510>510 on my Darwin anyway (thread, heat, and juice protection level), with the shield on a 510 atty I use 510>510:510>901:901>510 bridges and slide the shield on down to the most likely leak point. While it would work with just the one 510>510, or some other shorter series of bridges...this combo allows the perfect length for the arm to swing fully closed with plenty of clearance with the shield on (no rubbing against Darwin when closed).
 

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I was going to get the pro vari then the opportunity arose to be one of the first batch I'd darwins! I snagged one no questions asked. Worth every penny. I have actually never ran the battery down yet. I vape it all day long on weekends no decrease on battery bar! I am exclusive to cartos so if I pop a low resistance carto on the Darwin I lower the wattage all the way down and work my way up, just to play it safe! I think the Darwin is the best thing since sliced bread! So i use my go go for stealth vaping at work and Darwin all other times.

Great review by the way!
 

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I have a Provari and I absolutely love it! It was a toss up between the Darwin and Provari for me as well. I just couldn't get past the look of the Darwin, reminds me of a cheap breathalyzer or some type of meter. My only gripes about the Provari are the battery life and that I wish it displayed wattage...those 2 things weren't enough for me to get over the looks of the Darwin. Honestly, if the case is machined specifically for the Darwin (not something else modded into an PV)...then I suggest that they make it more appealing to the public. Im pretty sure that the Provari is out selling the Darwin mainly on looks alone.:2c:
 

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I have a Provari and I absolutely love it! It was a toss up between the Darwin and Provari for me as well. I just couldn't get past the look of the Darwin, reminds me of a cheap breathalyzer or some type of meter. My only gripes about the Provari are the battery life and that I wish it displayed wattage...those 2 things weren't enough for me to get over the looks of the Darwin. Honestly, if the case is machined specifically for the Darwin (not something else modded into an PV)...then I suggest that they make it more appealing to the public. Im pretty sure that the Provari is out selling the Darwin mainly on looks alone.:2c:

I struggled with the same decision you did. I've had some other VV devices. I wanted to try the latest round of toys. Since I was interested in watts, not the variables leading up to it, the Darwin was of interest. But the online pics of it looked pretty weird. Since both were in such high demand I knew I wouldn't get stuck with either I won I picked. I could put it in the classifieds and recoup all my costs if I didn't like it. I choose the Darwin because of the wattage wheel.

When I opened the package I was pleasantly surprised. The Darwin looked pretty cool. I liked it's industrial type look. It was also much smaller than I anticipated. I work with computer networks and it is so neat to just spin the little wheel to tune in what tastes good at the moment instead of pushing buttons several dozens of times to get where I want to be. The surprisingly small size of it makes it a no-brainier to stick in a pocket. I get a lot of comments. I do get the breathalyzer one and people asking if it is an inhaler - I answer yes, for brevity. People that have seen my other stuff think it is pretty neat.

The battery life on the thing is amazing. I was hoping for 2 days. It is running 4 days. That blows my mind with its small size. If the battery (similar to cellphone technology) goes bad after the included 2 year warranty, the maker will install a new one for $25. I like that.

Probably the biggest surprise came from my boss. He is a Virgina Tech graduated electrical engineer. He is intrigued with it, and while he hadn't banned me from my previous devices in my office, he said he was glad I was bringing it now instead of the ones that looked like a .

I hadn't thought of that. I thought more about things looking like pipe bombs or vibrators. Sucking on the end of a vibrator is not my thing.

I think it's probable I'll get a ProVari 'cause I'm a gadget freak. I'll get another Reo first though. I love the Reos. It'd be interesting to to see the sales volume of the ProVari versus the Darwin. I think you might be surprised.
 
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garyinco, your take on setting the power adjustment is one way vapers approach it i guess, but i shoot for an educated guess at which volt/watt setting would be best, then go from there.
With the provari, it's a matter of up (Pu) or down (Pd), from where you've set it..."dozens of times" is far from the reality... it's no big deal.

...same with the Darwin... you know where you're going to want it to start (i.e. whatever the watts recommended for a 2.2 Ohm atty), then you either go up or down.

The LED on the Vari is bright and much larger digits, vs. smaller type and less lighting of the D.

There are other minor advantages and disadvantages of both. I am not a tech freak, and for me the deciding factor in picking up the Vari vs the Darwin, when i had both, was ease of use. Were i more tech oriented i might see the Darwin as more "got to have".
 

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My Darwin is so hard to use...

I miss having to screw it open and remove the battery and stick it in another gadget that I'm not really supposed to leave unattended to charge it. That was so much easier to me.

I can't stand that I only have to turn the wheel to make it hotter or cooler. It'd be easier to do some math in my head, multiple button clicks, or use a screw driver and multi meter.

I hate that I can set this thing flat on a table or on the car seat and keep my tank upright cuz of that hard to use funky looking swinging arm...

It truly bothers me how many different ways I can adjust this stupid swinging arm to make it more comfortable to use in various positions/situations/grips.

I hate how light it is, and only wish it were heavier.

The worst part is the amazing battery that can crank out high amps up to 12v lasting so bloody long, and that stupid usb pass-through option to keep it fresh...ugg. Makes it so hard to use.

I think I need an easier to use PV.

All Kidding aside...
Had I already owned multiple mods and piles of batteries and chargers...I'd probably have gotten a Vari without the extended warranty and saved a few bucks.

Since it was my first mod, and will probably be my last (unless someone comes out with a juice feeder mod I really like)...Darwin just made sense. Everything I need in one slim unit. Well...a USB cord, which I already carry around for the dozens of other gadgets that use one just like it, and an atty, carto, or tank.
 
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