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Exactly Lisa...You see exactly what I mean.(I'm vaping a Winston with Strawberry right now btw)
Well,here is the thing:
I have all the the Tobacco flavors from Dekang, and all the Sweet flavors from a known UK supplier.
The tobacco flavors are good, but for a heavy vaper like me, it comes a time when they become too much "tasty" yet tasteless. They just need some flavor.
And the Sweet flavors are too sweet for my tooth...I just can't vape so much sweet...Especially strong flavors like chocolate...They even cut my appetite after few vapes...hehe.
So the ting was to cut the excess of sweet, while getting the tobacco juice some flavor that gives it some consistency and dissolves the sometimes annoying after taste.
And this is what I do now, and I'm getting mixes that you can vape for days in a row without even wanting or needing to change.
Which is exactly the formula for a good E-liquid.
But my best discovery was the DK-Tab.
This special juice is amazing. It has a strong, very strong taste that you can recognize instantly.(btw, all other tobacco flavors seem to be the same formula, but more or less diluted)
This juice has a pure and special taste.
One day you'd love it, and the other you'd just hate it. Very hard to describe.
I vaped it for quite a while, then all of the sudden couldn't really bare it anymore, so I restricted its use to periods when I had just vaped so much, that I couldn't feel anymore taste...Or on weak atomizers.
Then there was this chocolate juice that I couldn't vape because I would feel like eating a ton of chocolate. But it was a very accurate chocolate flavor, very good and very successeful, yet so strong that it didn't even get of the atty after a good cleaning.
So there I had the DK-Tab on one side, and this chocolate juice.
I had to mix them!
It would be this, or letting them on the shelve for eventual dark days of shortage.
1/3 chocolate and 2/3 DK-Tab...And the result was ...a revelation! It got so close from a very popular flavor, that I could swear that if I had a little caramel flavor...I would have hit it!
I then tried to mix the DK-Tab with other sweet flavor...Perfect.
I always got a very good flavor, strong and light at the same time, very consistent and comfortable. A flavor that you'd vape constantly without the need to change it.
Now I'm out of DK-Tab...But I'm trying all the other tobacco flavors from Dekang.
They're all very good, with slight differences, especially that I feel that they are variations of the same ingredients, more or less diluted.
The flavors I get with them, when mixed with sweet flavors are all kind of cousins, with each others, and with the DK-Tab mix.
Only the DK-Tab is so strong and tasty, that it adds something other just don't...I don't know what exactly, but it makes it very special.
BTW...The DK-Strawberry is really really good...
Anyway, I think that the best recipes start with a tobacco flavor from Dekang as base...Anything else is just not recipe for E-liquid, but only casual flavors, more or less mixed together...which in a way, is not that big deal.
An E-juice is like a wine. Only the base is tobacco and not grape. You are not supposed to literally taste the tobacco or the many ingredients you mix with it. You are only supposed to guess them in your pallet and for some, in the back of your throat and have a certain scent, a certain memory of their taste.
This is what makes the difference between a good wine, and a grape juice. Well E-juice recipe should follow the same process.
That's at least my official experience
Mix some juice for me please. Your description is nearly sensual. I could almost taste it just reading about it. Send me a PM telling me how much and I will buy some from you.
Exactly Lisa...You see exactly what I mean.(I'm vaping a Winston with Strawberry right now btw)
Well,here is the thing:
I have all the the Tobacco flavors from Dekang, and all the Sweet flavors from a known UK supplier.
The tobacco flavors are good, but for a heavy vaper like me, it comes a time when they become too much "tasty" yet tasteless. They just need some flavor.
And the Sweet flavors are too sweet for my tooth...I just can't vape so much sweet...Especially strong flavors like chocolate...They even cut my appetite after few vapes...hehe.
So the ting was to cut the excess of sweet, while getting the tobacco juice some flavor that gives it some consistency and dissolves the sometimes annoying after taste.
And this is what I do now, and I'm getting mixes that you can vape for days in a row without even wanting or needing to change.
Which is exactly the formula for a good E-liquid.
But my best discovery was the DK-Tab.
This special juice is amazing. It has a strong, very strong taste that you can recognize instantly.(btw, all other tobacco flavors seem to be the same formula, but more or less diluted)
This juice has a pure and special taste.
One day you'd love it, and the other you'd just hate it. Very hard to describe.
I vaped it for quite a while, then all of the sudden couldn't really bare it anymore, so I restricted its use to periods when I had just vaped so much, that I couldn't feel anymore taste...Or on weak atomizers.
Then there was this chocolate juice that I couldn't vape because I would feel like eating a ton of chocolate. But it was a very accurate chocolate flavor, very good and very successeful, yet so strong that it didn't even get of the atty after a good cleaning.
So there I had the DK-Tab on one side, and this chocolate juice.
I had to mix them!
It would be this, or letting them on the shelve for eventual dark days of shortage.
1/3 chocolate and 2/3 DK-Tab...And the result was ...a revelation! It got so close from a very popular flavor, that I could swear that if I had a little caramel flavor...I would have hit it!
I then tried to mix the DK-Tab with other sweet flavor...Perfect.
I always got a very good flavor, strong and light at the same time, very consistent and comfortable. A flavor that you'd vape constantly without the need to change it.
Now I'm out of DK-Tab...But I'm trying all the other tobacco flavors from Dekang.
They're all very good, with slight differences, especially that I feel that they are variations of the same ingredients, more or less diluted.
The flavors I get with them, when mixed with sweet flavors are all kind of cousins, with each others, and with the DK-Tab mix.
Only the DK-Tab is so strong and tasty, that it adds something other just don't...I don't know what exactly, but it makes it very special.
BTW...The DK-Strawberry is really really good...
Anyway, I think that the best recipes start with a tobacco flavor from Dekang as base...Anything else is just not recipe for E-liquid, but only casual flavors, more or less mixed together...which in a way, is not that big deal.
An E-juice is like a wine. Only the base is tobacco and not grape. You are not supposed to literally taste the tobacco or the many ingredients you mix with it. You are only supposed to guess them in your pallet and for some, in the back of your throat and have a certain scent, a certain memory of their taste.
This is what makes the difference between a good wine, and a grape juice. Well E-juice recipe should follow the same process.
That's at least my official experience
Mist
I have to agree with stormy here --
a very vivid description, makes me want to try some also--
I have always mixed my juice starting with a tobacco base,
ususally a bit of chocolate and or coffee goes into mine ------
Mix some juice for me please. Your description is nearly sensual. I could almost taste it just reading about it. Send me a PM telling me how much and I will buy some from you.
Mist
I have to agree with stormy here --
a very vivid description, makes me want to try some also--
I have always mixed my juice starting with a tobacco base,
ususally a bit of chocolate and or coffee goes into mine ------
Hahaha...Thank you very much girls...You're really so sweet.
But I'm really not a pro in this, you know, and my line of work is so so far from the e-cig business...as you know well Di...hehe
Anyway,
DK-TAB (70%)+Chocolate e-liquid (15%)+caramel e-liquid (15%), would make a nice outcome for start.
Also,
DK-TAB (70%)+Strawberry e-liquid (Or Cherry e-liquid), will be good too.
And if the DK-Tab is too strong to your taste, and you don't want to cut it more with others, so others won't become too predominant, just replace the DK-TAB with either Winston, or Marlboro, or USA-Mix, or other fine tobacco flavors, but from Dekang. At least, that's what I do.
It's within these lines that you can create a good e-liquid IMHO.
Anyway on my next purchase, I'm ordering pure DK-TAB from Dekang, since I'm out of it now, and I will be doing few more tests. If they are conclusive, I will immediately send you the recipes.
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Hi Imeo!
Have you thought about making the Brass tips that Super T is? Maybe one that is aluminum too. I am sure you could put you spin on it. Tips that can extend the AFS so that that you don't need to vape so close the the top.
Do you make an AFS with Brass top and bottom so that it can match the 2 tone GGT?
Have you thought about making the Brass tips that Super T is? Maybe one that is aluminum too. I am sure you could put you spin on it. Tips that can extend the AFS so that that you don't need to vape so close the the top.
Do you make an AFS with Brass top and bottom so that it can match the 2 tone GGT?
we vape for been healthy not to get sick Big, is that right?
its very unhealthy to put brass in your mouth taking the oxide of brass. In some years maybe you will get very sick. The only material that is safe is the plastic that catridge has, thats the reason I made a plastic catridge. I care for people's health, not only for a good looking mod
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I was scratching my head about brass tips lately, and I could not help take into consideration the real and effective risk that metal corrosion and decomposition might pose, especially that we have that metal piece in our mouth all day long, sucking on it for the rest of our life.
I did some research on metal plating, and found out that acupuncture needles are silver plated, first because silver was stable and clean, but mostly because silver plating rendered the needles harder and more resistant so they would not brake easily.
I finally got to the conclusion that the safest way, with brass tips, is to plate them in platinum. Real platinum! Yes. (It is used in all kind of medical and surgical prostheses, implanted in the human body.)
Which will turn them rather into jewelry items than just e-cig accessories.
I thought the idea was crazy at first, but then I remembered the old days when we used to smoke, and that in those days, buying a thousand dollars Dupont lighter, or a two hundred dollars Christal ashtray, not to mention other expensive smoking accessories, seemed somehow logical and natural.
So what the hell...why not a platinum mouth piece for the most beautiful and stylish Mod.
PS:On some French website, I saw for a while 1000 euros gold plated crystal encrusted e-cigarettes!
I did some research on metal plating, and found out that acupuncture needles are silver plated, first because silver was stable and clean, but mostly because silver plating rendered the needles harder and more resistant so they would not brake easily.
I finally got to the conclusion that the safest way, with brass tips, is to plate them in platinum. Real platinum! Yes. (It is used in all kind of medical and surgical prostheses, implanted in the human body.)
Which will turn them rather into jewelry items than just e-cig accessories.
I thought the idea was crazy at first, but then I remembered the old days when we used to smoke, and that in those days, buying a thousand dollars Dupont lighter, or a two hundred dollars Christal ashtray, not to mention other expensive smoking accessories, seemed somehow logical and natural.
So what the hell...why not a platinum mouth piece for the most beautiful and stylish Mod.
PS:On some French website, I saw for a while 1000 euros gold plated crystal encrusted e-cigarettes!
It looks pretty steampunk by the way...I would love to see such design option on the 7V Slim...hehe
maybe a gold plated would be a solution mist but why to add so big money to something that maybe get lost sometime? Also I find it a little excessive and I am sure that in some time it will get corrupt from the big daily usage
maybe a gold plated would be a solution mist but why to add so big money to something that maybe get lost sometime? Also I find it a little excessive and I am sure that in some time it will get corrupt from the big daily usage
Yes you are right Imeo...It is, a not so necessary luxury, that we can do without.
Although I am sure that some day, jewelers and famous luxury brands will attack the Mods market on a big scale, and will sell all kind of gold and leather and diamond encrusted accessories.
Like this one...It looks like the Joye 510 of her Majesty the queen of Zamunda
we vape for been healthy not to get sick Big, is that right?
its very unhealthy to put brass in your mouth taking the oxide of brass. In some years maybe you will get very sick. The only material that is safe is the plastic that catridge has, thats the reason I made a plastic catridge. I care for people's health, not only for a good looking mod
I highly doubt brass tips would make anyone sick if anything Plastic is something to be concerned about. Musicians (Horn,Trumpets etc.) have been using brass tips forever.
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The only material that is safe is the plastic that catridge has, thats the reason I made a plastic catridge. I care for people's health, not only for a good looking mod
Hey Imeo, I love what your doing! However, plastic is actually NOT the best choice for a cartridge. I like that your so focused on trying to reduce all unnecessary chemicals from being involved in the vaping experience, this is something I believe VERY strongly in as well.
Plastics are made moldable by the addition of plasticizers. Its been VERY well documented that these plasticizer chemicals, such as phthalates (a well known xenoestrogen - a chemical that acts in the body like estrogen does and may promote breast cancer in women), slowly leech out into liquids stored inside the plastic containers. This is well documented in things like shampoo bottles, drink containers, etc. where detectable levels of plasticizers can be identified in the solutions having leeched from the plastics theyre stored in. Another well known plasticizer toxin is BPA, also known as Bisphenol-A. It would be very far fetched to NOT expect this same thing is happening with cartridges and the E-liquid they contain, infact, id guarantee it is.
Studies have also shown that when heat is involved, the rate of plasticizer leeching is increased significantly. Leaving a bottle of shampoo inside your shower when your taking a shower, results in significantly more plasticizers leeching into the shampoo due to the heat from the shower.
The IDEAL material for you to focus on trying to create cartridges from, would be either pyrex or glazed ceramic. Pyrex is especially great choice because of its inert properties, being heavily used in modern day chemistry equipment where any contributed impurity could severely impact the results of the chemistry processes being performed. However glazed ceramic surfaces should also be more than sufficient.
So for the sake of improving the health factor of the vaping experience, I highly encourage you to look into pyrex or glazed ceramic catridge construction, if you ever pulled this off, I would kiss the ground you walk upon (although if you did pull this off, I suspect id be kissing the water you walk on
).My second idea id love to see you tackle? Creating a CLEAR vaporizer, where you can see all the internal workings through the encasing. In otherwords, a clear pyrex casing. I know this would be a MUST have for damn near every member on this forum!! Not to mention it would make the device look like it was from light years ahead in the future.
The biggest challenge here is that pyrex, especially a long casing like what would be needed, could break/crack/shatter very easily if dropped on a hard surface. One possible solution (that would need to be explored/tested of course) would be having a clear inner pyrex tube, then a clear PLEXI-GLASS outer tube (which is actually plastic but because the inside would be pyrex, this shouldnt be a problem assuming the pyrex doesnt get rediculously hot which in a PV, it shouldnt).
By putting a plexi-glass outer tube you could potentially give a much greater level of protection for the pyrex inner tube from breaking if dropped, as the plexi glass would absorb the brunt of the impact, but because both materials can be had perfectly transparent, you could still keep the unit perfectly see through and accomplish this.
To add some sex appeal, you could get logo/designs FROSTED into the surface of the plexi glass outer tube. Now how siiiiiiick would such a thing look? Sicker than a case of swine flu at an AIDS convention (okay sorry that wasnt a very tasteful comment!).
To summarize ideas id love to see you tackle sometime:
1) A pyrex or glazed ceramic cartidge - the ULTIMATE safety choices for a cartridge holding liquids.
2) A completely see through encasing, because everyone would want one just for the novelty value alone!
Anyways, keep up what your doing, I see many great things still to come from you
Soft plastics, yes, and even there the level varries a lot. Hard plastics like the carts do usually not contain those, or only in very small levels.
What I would love to see carts made off, or at least mouth pieces, is ebonite, the stuff used for traditional tobacco pipe mouthpieces. That's because I like to hold my PV with my teeth, and ebonite is absolutely great for that. It also does not have to problem mentioned above.
But then, I dream of a PV that is made like a traditional pipe or better, from one. And no, those pipes on the market now are a cruel joke on a really elegant way of smoking.
They are not just brass, I am totally sure about it my good friend. This metal has some treatment on it, otherwise they would have turned green and they would had been corrupt very soon
Hey Imeo, I love what your doing! However, plastic is actually NOT the best choice for a cartridge. I like that your so focused on trying to reduce all unnecessary chemicals from being involved in the vaping experience, this is something I believe VERY strongly in as well.
Plastics are made moldable by the addition of plasticizers. Its been VERY well documented that these plasticizer chemicals, such as phthalates (a well known xenoestrogen - a chemical that acts in the body like estrogen does and may promote breast cancer in women), slowly leech out into liquids stored inside the plastic containers. This is well documented in things like shampoo bottles, drink containers, etc. where detectable levels of plasticizers can be identified in the solutions having leeched from the plastics theyre stored in. Another well known plasticizer toxin is BPA, also known as Bisphenol-A. It would be very far fetched to NOT expect this same thing is happening with cartridges and the E-liquid they contain, infact, id guarantee it is.
Studies have also shown that when heat is involved, the rate of plasticizer leeching is increased significantly. Leaving a bottle of shampoo inside your shower when your taking a shower, results in significantly more plasticizers leeching into the shampoo due to the heat from the shower.
The IDEAL material for you to focus on trying to create cartridges from, would be either pyrex or glazed ceramic. Pyrex is especially great choice because of its inert properties, being heavily used in modern day chemistry equipment where any contributed impurity could severely impact the results of the chemistry processes being performed. However glazed ceramic surfaces should also be more than sufficient.
So for the sake of improving the health factor of the vaping experience, I highly encourage you to look into pyrex or glazed ceramic catridge construction, if you ever pulled this off, I would kiss the ground you walk upon (although if you did pull this off, I suspect id be kissing the water you walk on
My second idea id love to see you tackle? Creating a CLEAR vaporizer, where you can see all the internal workings through the encasing. In otherwords, a clear pyrex casing. I know this would be a MUST have for damn near every member on this forum!! Not to mention it would make the device look like it was from light years ahead in the future.
The biggest challenge here is that pyrex, especially a long casing like what would be needed, could break/crack/shatter very easily if dropped on a hard surface. One possible solution (that would need to be explored/tested of course) would be having a clear inner pyrex tube, then a clear PLEXI-GLASS outer tube (which is actually plastic but because the inside would be pyrex, this shouldnt be a problem assuming the pyrex doesnt get rediculously hot which in a PV, it shouldnt).
By putting a plexi-glass outer tube you could potentially give a much greater level of protection for the pyrex inner tube from breaking if dropped, as the plexi glass would absorb the brunt of the impact, but because both materials can be had perfectly transparent, you could still keep the unit perfectly see through and accomplish this.
To add some sex appeal, you could get logo/designs FROSTED into the surface of the plexi glass outer tube. Now how siiiiiiick would such a thing look? Sicker than a case of swine flu at an AIDS convention (okay sorry that wasnt a very tasteful comment!).
To summarize ideas id love to see you tackle sometime:
1) A pyrex or glazed ceramic cartidge - the ULTIMATE safety choices for a cartridge holding liquids.
2) A completely see through encasing, because everyone would want one just for the novelty value alone!
Anyways, keep up what your doing, I see many great things still to come from you
Thanks a lot my good friend nanovapor, I am very happy for your suggestions. I just said plastic because its a material that is cheap and easy to be produced and of course much healthier than brass. Of course there are other materials safer than plastic but I am trying in many levels for GG like to be cheap too for my people.
GG is not the cheapest product, so its a big concern for me to keep its price as low as I can
thanks again for suggestions, be sure that I will look for new ways for catridges
thanks Alex for your suggestion too. After the release of GGTS I will have time to continoue my search in many e-cig levels. I am sure that I will satisfy you totally
Most acupuncture needles are surgical stainless steel. This would be an ideal metal to use as it does not corrode and, unlike some stainless, does not contain any metals that are potentially toxic.
Titanium would also be good. It's used for a lot of surgical instruments and orthopedic implants. It is non-magnetic and very lightweight.
Titanium would also be good. It's used for a lot of surgical instruments and orthopedic implants. It is non-magnetic and very lightweight.
I wanted to make titanium my friend Poeia but the price per kilo was 75 euros!!!!!!!!!! and the price for making it (it requires speciasl tools) was astronomic. But there is no need for this, 7075 aluminium is harder than midle steal so we are ok.
i would love to have the option to have an engraving on a gg if i got one...can this be done after purchase???it would be cool to have an optional extra of an engraving in my opinion : o)
i hate to say it but ive learned in looking for a mod looks are a big issue for me anyway...your gg is the most beautiful ive seen but i would like to personalise it somehow...
i don't know if these are available but i would love to see a bullet like case that unscrews to slide the pv in and out of to use(with rounded smooth ends)...perhaps with a chain attachment...i know there are lanyards but id love to see a silver/gold one with the gg logo on it...and again perhaps an engraving option....this would for me send the gg into a higher level of collectable(and practical!)
...i know ggs are expensive but these are all ideas that could be added to the catalogue of items. if the gg lasts as long as everyone seems to think it will wouldnt a suitable/practical/indulgent housing for it that will last forever be a good extra to be able to purchase?
i hate to say it but ive learned in looking for a mod looks are a big issue for me anyway...your gg is the most beautiful ive seen but i would like to personalise it somehow...
i don't know if these are available but i would love to see a bullet like case that unscrews to slide the pv in and out of to use(with rounded smooth ends)...perhaps with a chain attachment...i know there are lanyards but id love to see a silver/gold one with the gg logo on it...and again perhaps an engraving option....this would for me send the gg into a higher level of collectable(and practical!)
...i know ggs are expensive but these are all ideas that could be added to the catalogue of items. if the gg lasts as long as everyone seems to think it will wouldnt a suitable/practical/indulgent housing for it that will last forever be a good extra to be able to purchase?
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