NEW RoyalSmokers C-E2 R4 Review, Tips, Info, Help, Video

[BanjoMan]

Zoid not knocking your religion or anything but the supplied tips that came with my newest clearos fit them just fine... nice and tight. No need to pull the tube off and reverse it.

A longer stem on the tip is all that's needed to seal the cup (or like you said earlier, just cut a bit of length off the tube). Not sure why your tips aren't fitting the carto as is. I pulled some older tips from my grab-bag of E2 stuff and they look identical to the new ones.

edit to add: My new clearos are regular length. Maybe the XL's have a smaller ID (?).

 

[zoiDman]

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edit to add: My new clearos are regular length. Maybe the XL's have a smaller ID (?).

The New CE2's do seem to have a small ID Tube than the Older Clearomizers or the Metal CE2's. Check out this post...

Here are some dimensions of three different 510 CE2's


-------------------Tube ID----- Cup OD------Cup to Tube
Metal XL Rev"4"____ .339"______ .246"_______ .0465"
Clearo CE2 Rev"?"___ .332"______ .238"______ .0470"
New CE2 Rev"?"_____ .329"______ .238"______ .0455"

As you can see, the Cup to ID Wall isn't really changing. But what is changing is the Tube ID.

This is one reason that the Cup Seal is more difficult to remove on a New CE2 verses and older one. Also, the Cup Seal doesn't slide as well on the Tube walls of a New CE2 as it did on the older CE2's.

NOTE: These dimensions were taken from only One Carto of each type. It would be better to average 10 or 15 dimensions for each but I don't have 45 cartos I can destroy in the name of Dimensional Accuracy.

There is going to be some variation in ID. I meassured a few more and there isn't much. The Metal CE2's don't seem to vary much at all.

I just went and bought some DVD-R's at a computer store and had it in my pocket the entire time. Granted I checked it about every two minutes but I didn't get any leaking. And the Tip never budged.

Not to say that the tip can't leak or come out. I'm just not seeing it right now.

Even if this was just an "At Home" mod, I think many people would enjoy a Tool-Less way to fill an CE2.

 

[zoiDman]

Zoid not knocking your religion or anything but the supplied tips that came with my newest clearos fit them just fine... nice and tight. No need to pull the tube off and reverse it. ...

BTW - Maybe I should clarify what I mean when I said the tip didn't fit without reversing the tube.

The tip fit into the tube. Sure. But the Tip didn’t go down any farther the top of the Cup.

What I was looking for was to have the Tip seal the cup in the same way that the Cup Seal Does. Not to just have it resting on the top of the cup. By reversing the tube it allowed the tip to form a seal very similar, if not a tad better, than the flat O-Ring does when it is flipped over.

If the tip was just resting on the top of the cup, it probably would leak

Go back and look at the photo. (I know it isn't the greatest.) See how far down the bottom of the tip goes. It is covering about 1/2 of the slot in the Cup.

 

[tiburonfirst]

zoid, i never bothered with trying to get the tip down far enough to really seal the cup, and i had no leakage. like banjo, most of my cartos where the regular size not the xls. and yes, the id changed with the newer versions.
most of my mishaps occurred in the colder months, i guess due to shrinkage ......

and the older tips fit better once you reverse the tube .......

 

[zoiDman]

zoid, i never bothered with trying to get the tip down far enough to really seal the cup, and i had no leakage. like banjo, most of my cartos where the regular size not the xls. and yes, the id changed with the newer versions.
most of my mishaps occurred in the colder months, i guess due to shrinkage ......

and the older tips fit better once you reverse the tube .......

Now I'm confussed...

I thought you were the one with the "wet pockets".

 

[tiburonfirst]

yep, i'm the one with the wet pockets because the whole tip got dislodged and fell off, not because of leakage .....

and a couple of times because the tube itself came off

 

[zoiDman]

yep, i'm the one with the wet pockets because the whole tip got dislodged and fell off, not because of leakage .....

and a couple of times because the whole tube came off

Gotcha...

The New Tubes do seem to want to stay on the Battery connector so that problem seems to have been worked out. But the Tip coming out would be a Huge Problem. That is why I went to so much effort to get the Tip bottom firmly seated Below the cup.

I can dangle my Provari by holding onto the tip alone. It also passes the finger "Flink" test. In fact, I pulled the cup up as well as the guts by just yanking on the tip hard when I did my last refill.

Like I said before, I'm sure there could be a mishap. But by getting the Tip bottom below the top of the cup, the Tip doesn't want to come out on it's own.

And the only way I could get the Tip this far down was by Reversing the tube.

 

[wyojoe]

BTW - Maybe I should clarify what I mean when I said the tip didn't fit without reversing the tube.

The tip fit into the tube. Sure. But the Tip didn’t go down any farther the top of the Cup.

What I was looking for was to have the Tip seal the cup in the same way that the Cup Seal Does. Not to just have it resting on the top of the cup. By reversing the tube it allowed the tip to form a seal very similar, if not a tad better, than the flat O-Ring does when it is flipped over.

If the tip was just resting on the top of the cup, it probably would leak

Go back and look at the photo. (I know it isn't the greatest.) See how far down the bottom of the tip goes. It is covering about 1/2 of the slot in the Cup.

Your photos and post was fantastic, Thanks for the information and your inventive spirit. I maybe wrong but, I thinks what people are missing in your post is that by doing what you have shown, you will take out the center seal AND the cup seal and not use them anymore, then you will be able to use just the mouth piece and easily take it off and its ready to fill with E-juice.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Gotcha...

The New Tubes do seem to want to stay on the Battery connector so that problem seems to have been worked out. But the Tip coming out would be a Huge Problem. That is why I went to so much effort to get the Tip bottom firmly seated Below the cup.

I can dangle my Provari by holding onto the tip alone. It also passes the finger "Flink" test. In fact, I pulled the cup up as well as the guts by just yanking on the tip hard when I did my last refill.

Like I said before, I'm sure there could be a mishap. But by getting the Tip bottom below the top of the cup, the Tip doesn't want to come out on it's own.

And the only way I could get the Tip this far down was by Reversing the tube.

i'm counting on the sturdier tubes. that's why i am giving the ce2s one more try - we shall see!

but the main point is again - why not design a sturdy tip that seals at the same time instead of all those inner rings which i threw out all along ....... how hard can it be?
or were they waiting on br to send them a prototype?

 

[tiburonfirst]

Your photos and post was fantastic, Thanks for the information and your inventive spirit. I maybe wrong but, I thinks what people are missing in your post is that by doing what you have shown, you will take out the center seal AND the cup seal and not use them anymore, then you will be able to use just the mouth piece and easily take it off and its ready to fill with E-juice.

joe, that's what a lot of us have been doing - very few people can live with syringe filling ........

 

[zoiDman]

Your photos and post was fantastic, Thanks for the information and your inventive spirit. I maybe wrong but, I thinks what people are missing in your post is that by doing what you have shown, you will take out the center seal AND the cup seal and not use them anymore, then you will be able to use just the mouth piece and easily take it off and its ready to fill with E-juice.

Thank wyojoe...

Yes, the concept is to remove ALL the seal and just using One Tip that does it all. And No Tools needed to fill.

i'm counting on the sturdier tubes. that's why i am giving the ce2s one more try - we shall see!

but the main point is again - why not design a sturdy tip that seals at the same time instead of all those inner rings which i threw out all along ....... how hard can it be?
or were they waiting on br to send them a prototype?

I hear you...

But it is what it is and RS/MiT seems to be Very Slow to get what the People who Use these Cartos want.

It blows my mind that RS/MiT hasn't done a One Piece Seal/Tip by now but then again, they are the ones who think that Tweesers and a Microscopic Plug is the answer to the CE3's.

Maybe when the CE4's come out they will come with a 7 piece tool kit. LOL

 

[naviathan]

Breakthrough ?

OK, so I was thinking of Br's One Piece Mouth Piece (OPMP) and decided to see if I could modify a Drip Tip and make it work.

So I got out the Spare Parts box and when I was poking around for a Drip Tip I found a Black Silicone Tip that comes with a pack of CE2's.

I have about 120 of them. Never used them just like I never used the Blunt Luer-Lok Syringe. I just throw both in a bag because it makes putting the CE2's back in the box easier after Dry Burning Washing/Drying.

While holding the Black Silicone tip I thought, "Man, this is perfect. Why didn't they just make it longer and it would work?"

There was a Blinding Flash of Light and I heard the God of e-Cigs voice say, "Cut Thou Tube zoiD and Your Quest Shall Be Over."

Of course. It was so simple! I thanked the e-Cig God and got out an Exacto Knife.

I cut off about .200" from the end of a New CE2 and tried to put the Tip in. It didn't want to go. The New CE2 Tubes have a slightly Smaller ID than the Older CE2's. I tried different things but it just didn't work.

Dismayed, I though, "How can I Enlarge the Tube to except the Tip?" I poked around in my top drawer for something to force the tube wider. Nothing seemed to work.

Once more the e-Cig God commanded me. "Your Journey is Nay Complete until you Reverse Thy Course."

WTF? Wouldn't it just be easier if the e-Cig God didn't speak in Old English? I held the New CE2 in my hand for a couple of minutes. "Reverse Thy Course"? "Reverse Thy Course"?

Again with the Flash of Light.

I had it. The Battery end of the tube was Larger where they had pressed it onto the Battery Connector.

With trembling hands I pulled of the Tube and "Reversed" it. It made a good tight seal to the Battery Connector. Holding my breath, I pushed the Tip into the tube. It Fit !

I could hear Trumpets blowing as the e-Cig God proclaimed in a Thundering Voice, "Thou hast Achieved Your Reward. Go forth and Tell My Disciples what thou has Wrought."

Perhaps the Trumpets were a little Over the Top but I have found it's best to not Piss Off the e-Cig God so I just Thank him and got out my Camera.

Here is what it looks like...

It's going to need some overnight testing but so far it is Not Leaking and the Taste is Fantastic.

Maybe the OPMP has been sitting here all along? Ironic as it may be.

This has got to be the best ecig story I've seen yet. But, I've been cutting my tubes down, pulling all the plugs and using my delrin drip tip flush to the cup since the deluze was released. I actually just pull one out, grab an exacto knife, use the bottom edge of the original mouth piece as a line and cut. Remove the rest of the plugs and the delrin drip tip fits right on top of the cup. It's a tight fit, but like the base, it stretches. I started doing this with BD tubes, but once the deluxe came out with the stronger tubes I stopped using my BDs.

 

[BanjoMan]

After I read your post Zoid I went back to my clearos and tried again. I just got these about a week ago from GV. With a little pressure I was able to insert the tip past the rim and get it down inside the carto body:

It didn't take a lot of pressure and I didn't have to alter anything. Try a fresh one on your end and try to force it home. It helps a bit if you pinch the tip while pushing.

 

[zoiDman]

... I started doing this with BD tubes, but once the deluxe came out with the stronger tubes I stopped using my BDs.

The New Material of these CE2 has been a Huge improvement. In more ways than one.

After I read your post Zoid I went back to my clearos and tried again. I just got these about a week ago from GV. With a little pressure I was able to insert the tip past the rim and get it down inside the carto body:

It didn't take a lot of pressure and I didn't have to alter anything. Try a fresh one on your end and try to force it home. It helps a bit if you pinch the tip while pushing.

Looks good Banjo...

One thing that I find helps is if one side of the Tip doesn't want to go between the Cup and the Tube, just give the tube a squeeze at the cup. This makes the tube bulge slightly and the tip usually seats fully.

Any leakage so far?

 

[BanjoMan]

No leaks so far. I've tried both flipping it upside-down and laying it on its' side.

The vape is a bit warmer using the tip and the tip itself feels funny after using the stock mouthpiece for so long, but it works.

I'm guessing the distance from the top of the cup to the top of the carto is longer on the XL(?). If so I can see why'd you'd probably want to trim it a bit.

Looks good Banjo...

One thing that I find helps is if one side of the Tip doesn't want to go between the Cup and the Tube, just give the tube a squeeze at the cup. This makes the tube bulge slightly and the tip usually seats fully.

Any leakage so far?

 

[wyojoe]

zoiDman, I just tried last night, the method you outlined in your post and it works great. Just pop off the mouth piece and your ready to fill the carto. I find after taking the mouth piece off, the side of the clear tube has enough moisture to be able to just twist the mouth piece a little and it goes right over the cup. Love it. I do wish I could use a regular drip tip because it has a larger hole in it. Also after setting all night, no leaking what so ever, just picked it up and started vaping. With your method you can refill by carefully dripping down the side of the tube, but its faster with a syringe.

 

[zoiDman]

No leaks so far. I've tried both flipping it upside-down and laying it on its' side.

The vape is a bit warmer using the tip and the tip itself feels funny after using the stock mouthpiece for so long, but it works.

I'm guessing the distance from the top of the cup to the top of the carto is longer on the XL(?). If so I can see why'd you'd probably want to trim it a bit.

Good Deal…

I’m hitting on that same OPMP Carto right now and it hits sweet as Tupelo Honey.

No leaks. Not Problems with the Tip coming out. Kinda like it should be.

I think you are right. The regulars have a shorter distance from the top of the Cup to the end of the Tube. Hence the No O-Ring on the “regs”. Can't say for sure because I don’t have any regs to measure. Only XL’s.

zoiDman, I just tried last night, the method you outlined in your post and it works great. Just pop off the mouth piece and your ready to fill the carto. I find after taking the mouth piece off, the side of the clear tube has enough moisture to be able to just twist the mouth piece a little and it goes right over the cup. Love it. I do wish I could use a regular drip tip because it has a larger hole in it. Also after setting all night, no leaking what so ever, just picked it up and started vaping. With your method you can refill by carefully dripping down the side of the tube, but its faster with a syringe.

Right On. If even One Person finds this method helpful than it was worth posting.

You See, that the entire goal. To dream up a way to make a CE2 “Tool-Less” when it comes to filling.

Just about all the Performance Tricks have been dreamed up. The only thing left is to get a fill system that the Average person can do WITHOUT having to use tools.

The entire Syringe thing is fine if you use 100% PG e-Liquid and don’t mind washing Syringes or storing you e-Liquids in Plastic Luer-Lok bottle.

Me, I use 30%PG : 70% VG so a 20ga or an 18ga Syringe is a PITA. Also, I store my e-Liquids in Glass Bottles with Eye Dropper Caps.

I want a system that I can just drip down the side of an CE2 and get on with my life. And if it can be done with no tools needed to remove a Cup Seal, O-Ring and a Mouth Piece, well that is the road I want to take,

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - Just want to mention that I hope Br and any/everyone is ok in Texas.

Day after Day of Record Heat and now Wildfires. Man.

 

[tiburonfirst]

really looking forward now to get my order - it was shipped today! regular size, in green, nonetheless

quick might have to put his order in if all goes well!!!!!!

 

[tiburonfirst]

all was well with br, he was on a little earlier .....