br has been ill but is back home now, hopefully he'll feel up to getting back online again soon.
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br has been ill but is back home now, hopefully he'll feel up to getting back online again soon.
Sorrry to hear that Br has been ill but Very glad to hear that he is home.
Get well Soon Br.
Br.... sorry to hear you were ill. I haven't been online much either due my medical issues -- back surgery -- ugh. I hope you are feeling better now and wish you a speedy recovery. I always enjoy reading your posts and have learned from them. Take care and I hope you feel well enough to get back on the forum very soon.
Sincerely..... Horton
Sincerely..... Horton
zoid - one drawback of organic flavorings is the not-so-robust taste. so - it takes quite a bit more to achieve the desired taste which means vaping even more of the flavoring and that is a completely unkown, much more so than pg or vg ......
does it compare to 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, who knows???
i'm hoping vaping will prove to be the lesser evil but there is no guarantee ....
does it compare to 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, who knows???
i'm hoping vaping will prove to be the lesser evil but there is no guarantee ....
Gotcha...
Organic is a confusing term for me. I think of organic compounds as compounds derived from Plants and Animals.
Heh, I always said I'd try them once they got to revision 14... Seems they got there so I orderd 1 each of regular and XL. should be here any day now (maybe today).
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Wow!! So it is true. I look forward to your thoughts although you're spoiled on the Genisis
Ordered his First CE2's.
WTF? Did he just get out of Prison or something?
Time off for Good Behavior?
dahahaha, it's coming. Maybe a preliminary?
I ordered 1 box XL 2.4-2.6Ω, 1 box reg. 2.6-2.8Ω (only because it appears the reg. doesn't come in a lower ohm)
XLs:
1) 2.5Ω
2) 2.4Ω
3) 2.7Ω
4) 2.7Ω
5) 2.7Ω
Regulars:
1) 2.9Ω
2) 2.8Ω
3) 2.7Ω
4) 2.7Ω
5) 2.7Ω
Currently I am using DeKang Desert Ship (Camel) and occassionally DeKang 555 (3-5). Both 100% VG.
Started with XL #1. Packaged in the individually sealed plastic and the little rubber tip and leur lock needle stuffed in the box.
First the needle... this is a joke? My juice is the consistency of 30w motor oil. I think I would have to split the molecules first before they would go through that needle. I kept it because maybe it would be useful to clear clogs in the tips of my regular needles (18 - 20 gauge).
Carto looks quite nice (barely translucent charcoal gray/black).
Construction looks and feels quite nice (not a big fan of the positive contact on the 510 connector but it works fine on my PVs. I could see where lesser designed PVs might have difficulties -- depending on the female 510 connector's positive contact).
Dissection. Take the top plug/mouthpiece out. Take the second ring out. Everybody said remove the bottom ring on the cup as well so I started working on that. It's in there... Small tweezers had little effect. Started picking at it with very long, fine point, needle nose pliers. Those would nip at it and eventually I started tearing off small bits. I think the problem is that it's down on the rim of the cup so there isn't much to get hold of without also grabbing the rim of the cup inside the ring. Also did some sliding a jeweler's flat head screw driver down the sides between the plastic tube and the ring to make sure any potential glue was broken loose (not sure if it's glued or not -- there were a couple of drops of what appeared to be liquid on the ring when I opened it up). Finally got hold of a piece and the rest of it came out.
Wick looked snow white, fat, neatly placed and the coils were snug but loose around it and evenly spaced. Great.
Tried a dry burn and definitely got some vapor/smoke. Mainly on the first shot and some on the second. ok...
Dripped down the side, replaced second ring upside down and used the tip (not much point to the tip for me... more on that later).
Tried it. A short interlude is in order to understand/explain my impressions:
I've been using a Genisis for almost a year now. I've modified it to accomodate my preference for "direct" inhaling (haha, sort of analogous to a .... hit). Instead of taking a cigarette like drag sucking a mouthful and then inhaling I just ... inhale. so I have relatively huge air holes into the vapor chamber and the Genisis will keep up (I wrap my coils to 1.4-1.6Ω). Truly huge, thick volume accompanied by stronger than average TH. So going back to a conventional device is something like drinking a milkshake through a coffee stirrer. My previous cartos of choice were the Joye mega cartos (they weren't really "mega" in size so I'm not sure why the name... Katya can tell you which ones they were. Mostly around 3.1Ω and I was doing them at 6v).
So I did conventional drags for a while. I wouldn't say it tasted "tinny" and I wouldn't say it tasted "musty" but it definitely tasted like other cartos. It was dissappointing and it was a bit "thin" and without much TH. So I did most of the 1.8 ml and things improved. Taste improved to where it seemed better than my Joye 510 megas. Still that hint of "carto" tinge. Volume improved to where it seemed better than my Joye 510 megas. TH was about the same. TH is pretty much a function of watts. You can get TH when it's starved for juice with the same watts but that's not really what you want. So I wouldn't say the lack of TH *for me* was due to this particular carto (it never is) but a function of a 2.5Ω vaporizer on a 3.7v battery. I finally settled on direct inhaling by letting air leak through the sides of my lips while drawing on the carto. For this the tip was a hinderance and just using the mouthpiece plug with the larger diameter of the carto tube was easier.
Did it keep up? reasonably well. I could take a lung full and achieve pretty good density. Less, but pretty good. Better than the Joye 510 megas without "burn out" -- running out of juice. Second back to back lung full... not quite. Third back to back lung full was all burn. Who does that anyway? Wicking recovery seemed adequate. 10 or 15 seconds between hits and a bit more of an interval between those seemed fine. Seems like it wicked the same all the way to the bottom as well.
Initial results: They're good! Better than the Joye 510 megas I used previously. Good taste, a bit less density in the volumes I drag at, lacking in TH due to the ohms, and mechanically they function very well.
On to Regular #1:
Heh, there's no second ring in here... Did I measure to see if the tip would reach the cup with the inner ring removed? NO. Did it? NO. Conclusion: Do not remove the cup ring on the regulars. Otherwise you have a small carto that must remain upright when loaded.
Dry burn and little to nothing visible produced. Coil appears to be even but maybe tighter around what might be a thinner wick? Hard to tell. It functioned ok... Did not seem to wick anywhere near as well as the XL I just tried. Maybe if you absolutely had to have the small form factor it might be ok for somebody.
Figured I'd try an XL without removing the cup ring. Opened up #3. Coil wraps were unevenly spaced and sort of scrunched up towards one side. Wick looked thinner or maybe it was just squeezed by the tighter wound coil. I sort of picked at things a bit with little but some effect. Dry burn produced a tiny trace of visible burn off but not much. Used a 20 gauge sharp to go through the fill hole (I got to dig out my syringe order to check on what size needles I'm actually using... could be larger -- it's really hard drawing VG into the syringe but OK plunging it out).
This one seemed to work almost as well as the first. Less so at first but it improved a little (function/volume/density, taste and everything was the same). I decided I'd remove the cup ring to see if that helped. More picking/pinching/nipping. Things weren't going as well and it was evident I was going to end up with a gasket around the cup with nothing on top... Then I remembered I had PICKS! lol, those things that have various shaped hooks/points at the end and look just like dentist tools/picks. Took one of those and stabbed the ring and it came right out. This was such a revelation that I took a third one, poked around the edge a bit with the jeweler screw driver and removed the ring in a single motion. Tadah.
Anyway, it seemed maybe to improve to the same level as the first one. Maybe it was on it's way there anyway. It was a subtle difference if any.
Tried a second regular without messing with the ring. Pretty much the same as the first regular. Probably carry one of those to use on my BB if I ever need something concealable in my shirt pocket.
Overall (*preliminary*) impressions:
Best conventional carto I've tried (KR808D1 -> somethingorother (6v) -> Cool Carts -> Joye 510 mega cartos (6v))
Good construction
Nice form factor
I always did like the design/functional concept
Above average quality control (5 pack XL, 5 pack reg , visually inspected all, metered all, dry burned all to check for "stuff", tried 2 of the xls through 2 fills, tried 2 regulars through 1 fill).
No it's not up to a (my) Genisis but it's adaquate. If I went on vacation and lost/broke it I would not be bummed at all having to use these as backups. If I didn't have a Genisis these would be it and I'd be happy with them. Not ecstatic but happy. Best I could do previously with commercial stuff was "ok, I can manage with this but I'm always aware that it's lacking". This is better. Still lacking but better. I firmly believe you can only physically go so far with a conventional wick.
How's that for a preliminary?
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You have a better impression than I thought you would, coming from your SS wick. Looks like you waited long enough to give 'em a try.
Thanks for the effort.
You have a better impression than I thought you would, coming from your SS wick. Looks like you waited long enough to give 'em a try.
Thanks for the effort.
Haha, yes. It's not an SS wick with coil coverage and watts tuned to my preference and personal method of use... and I allowed for that. I tried to give an impression in the context of commercially available stuff.
wipes sweat of her brow - so glad you find them acceptable, quick! i hate to stick my neck out but i was pleased with them and .... i don't have a genesis
btw i use the reg size and pushing down the included tip as far as it goes does prevent leaking for me
btw i use the reg size and pushing down the included tip as far as it goes does prevent leaking for me
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