New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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VV is VV, most VV batteries will be similar enough. What really counts is what atty/coil you are using, and then at what Voltage setting. Only then can you begin to correlate a temperature.
Testing a battery alone doesnt tell us much.
I believe there are 1.6 to 2.4 ohm coils available for these. The Evod is on the bottom (RED) fixed output voltage. IDK if these are called 'Protank' or some such. Bottom coil with Silica wick. They surely work better with %100 VG than the Aspire tanks did. I don't think I've ever experienced a dryhit on a Evod - then again I keep an eye on the juice windows!
I picked up a bunch of 2battery 2tank kits for ~$5ea shipped.
The black one (iClick! +Aspire K1) is what got me off the stinkys. While VV the battery life was so dismal I quickly upgraded to a Vmax V5 (Silver on top) and full size Nautilus tanks. (KFv4 mounted in image)
Keep in mind that those reported temps ONLY applied to a Vivi Nova atty.
Not trying to be nit picky here, but you still havent provided enough data. 1.8/2.2 ohms only tells part of the story. A 2.2ohm coil on a CE4 atty is going to be a lot different that a 2.2 ohm coil on a nautilus atty, even if both are being driven at the same exact 4.1 volts on the exact same Ego Battery.
There are a LOT of variables that go into determining the final temperature of a given combo of equipment. You cant just look at one piece and say "this will be the temp", you have to look at the whole picture. Other factors that come into play is are you a MTL or DL hitter, Are you chain vaping, what metal (ie heatflux) were those coils made from, what was the wick (could it deliver adequate juice), and many more variables.
It really gets quite complex to "predict" a temperature on a VV or VW mod when you look at all of the potential variables.
If temperature is truly important to you, as the Wang & Geiss studies suggest it might be, then honestly, the most sure fire method is to use a TC mod. Your other (less certain) choices are to:
- Measure your EXACT combination of gear, with a reliable instrument, which can be a challenge inside a closed atty while you are actually vaping it, which is the only way you can account for ALL of the variables.
- Take the data we are collecting here and adapt your vaping style to include some "best practices" like:
- Dont chain vape
- Ensure your wick is delivering enough juice. If using top coil style attys, refill when tank is no more than half empty.
- If using a top coil atty, ALWAYS do a swirl to ensure wick saturation before every hit.
- Take shorter, even if more frequent, hits. The longer the hit the higher the temperature gets.
- Use a lower VG content juice, or at leas dilute it with water to lower the boiling point. The lower the the boiling point of the juice, the lower you need to set your Mod to get a satisfying hit.
- When your coil gets gunked, clean or replace promptly. Gunked coils inhibit heat transfer, and the most common reaction is for a user to increase their power, resulting in a higher coil temp. There is also data that suggests that burning the carbonized junk on a coil also gives off nasties.
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Are non regulated Ego batteries like 18650s? I.e. do they charge to an initial 4.1v and then cutoff somewhere around 3.2v?
Are non regulated Ego batteries like 18650s? I.e. do they charge to an initial 4.1v and then cutoff somewhere around 3.2v?
OK, I see. I'm not trying to get into the scientific approach and really don't want to get I to mods but was initially curious if my juice reached those temps. My set up is as follows
Kanger 650mah ego batt
Kanger evod 1
Kanger 2.2 cotton coils
Velvet cloud vapor juice which is mainly Vg diluted with distilled water.
I have vv ego batts and evod 2s with 1.8 coils on the way.
I sometimes chain vape at work and take long draws via mtl. I'll take the advice you've given and change my technique hoping to cut down on the nasty stuff.
Thanks!
Kanger 650mah ego batt
Kanger evod 1
Kanger 2.2 cotton coils
Velvet cloud vapor juice which is mainly Vg diluted with distilled water.
I have vv ego batts and evod 2s with 1.8 coils on the way.
I sometimes chain vape at work and take long draws via mtl. I'll take the advice you've given and change my technique hoping to cut down on the nasty stuff.
Thanks!
Mike, I'm charging up a Red Evod and will hit it with a DVM once charged. Oddly I don't notice much fall off from charged to empty, IDK if these are 'fixed regulated' or operate more like a MECH with a low voltage cut off. The DVM will tell the story.
Just for kicks I tried two different rebuilds on the tank: the 1st one with 37AWG NiFe70 - the coil failed after attempting to fire it (looked fine on the ohm reader) and the 2nd attempt I'm still using - 34AWG Ti ~2.0ohms wicked with Rayon.
Firing with 3.7V on a Vmax the resistance tops out at 3.4ohms.
I understand your point, especially considering your own experience with cigalikes. The counter argument ; What about the people who had a bad experience with their first open platform purchase ? The ones who couldn't get a consistent and satisfactory hit because of leaks, dry hits, bad coils, etc,.... I know of quite a few people who tried our way of vaping and gave up because they weren't dedicated enough and/or didn't have the time or weren't willing to put in the time through searches and trial and error.
Open system vaping is what worked for me, but may not be the answer for everyone. Look at the increasing popularity of pod mods. Perhaps that's the answer for some. The more options in the market the better imo. Let's have them all : Cigalikes, Pod mods, Open system vaping, Iqos, gum, patches, lozenges etc.... Whatever works !
You've put me in the awkward position of seeming to defend big tobacco, and that's not my intention at all. But i don't really buy into the theory that big tobacco is deliberately putting out a sub-optimal product, in order to dissuade people from quitting smoking. The reason they have chosen the cigalike over open system platforms is purely because they can exercise more control in that segment and the technology would be proprietary. The decision is a financial one.
I realize that cigalikes are closely associated with big tobacco and some in this community even think of it as synonymous with BT, but let's not forget that cigalikes have been in production in China since 2003, and hit the European and North American market in 2006/2007. Big tobacco didn't join the party until 2012, at which time there were already dozens of companies in the cigalike market and hundreds if not thousands in the open system market. The idea that they would enter the market with a deliberately bad product doesn't make sense to me, nor does it reconcile with the fact that they are spending billions of dollars on THR research across multiple platforms. Just my opinion though.
I don't know if there are non-regulated Ego batteries in the market or not. The Ego i purchased in 2013 was regulated at 3.7 volts. There were vv Egos in the market as well ( 3.2 -4.8 volts )
Until more of the pod mod market developed, JUUL was viewed as a cigalike. And it is a better performing, albeit more expensive "cigalike" than the standard gas station options.
Just as I suspected my fully charged 650ma EVOD puts out 3.7V. The other one that I can't recall the last time it was charged outputs 3.65V.
I have heard enough good things about the Juul that I am tempted to try one, just for the experience. At 50mg of nic, it doesnt need to be a high power atty to stave off the nico-demon, and I do know they have a temp limit feature, "presumably" correlated to the juice characteristics.
If they werent so expensive I would try one, but I suspect it would be a throw-away so I havent been willing to fork over the bucks yet. Plus theres that whole thing of whether I would like their flavors, I know I dont do tobacco flavors at all. Simply because I dont want to romanticize that experience. I learned that real quick when I found a cigar flavor I liked early on, it just made me want a real cigar more.
Just as an FYI, for the last tens years of my smoking I smoked 5-6 cigars a day, big fat 50 ring gauge ones, and I inhaled every last puff.
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Actually, Juul is ~50 mg nic salts, so that should hold off just about any demon that shows up, short of Satan in person.
Form at the dentist listed bidis in tobacco products question (it didn't ask about vaping).
Nobody knew so I Googled it when I got home.
yuk - bidi - Google Search
Yeah, typo, I corrected it.Actually, Juul is ~50 mg nic salts, so that should hold off just about any demon that shows up, short of Satan in person.
lol, is your dentists office in an Indian neighborhood ?Form at the dentist listed bidis in tobacco products question (it didn't ask about vaping).
Nobody knew so I Googled it when I got home.
yuk - bidi - Google Search
I'm not sure why you linked to the portion of my posts that lists various quitting and THR products though, bidi is an especially dirty cigarette.
Well, oops. 2 thoughts collided and my OT comment crawled from the resulting carnage.
I quoted that part because it's 100% awesome...
...but unrelated to the bidi post
I know, it's because you listed so many options and the dentist's form listed so many ways to die.
It didn't list vaping or SNUS though.
Ways to live instead of smoking (suicide on the installment plan).
It didn't list vaping or SNUS though.
Ways to live instead of smoking (suicide on the installment plan).
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