New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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And then there's this from the report itself ...
" ... It is worth noting that although e-cigarette– only users had significantly higher exposure to 5 VOCs, controls also had detectable levels of these chemicals. In fact, human exposure to VOCs from environmental sources is ubiquitous ..."
" ... It is worth noting that although e-cigarette– only users had significantly higher exposure to 5 VOCs, controls also had detectable levels of these chemicals. In fact, human exposure to VOCs from environmental sources is ubiquitous ..."
Definition of ubiquitous
: existing or being everywhere at the same time : constantly encountered : widespread
: existing or being everywhere at the same time : constantly encountered : widespread
Z man, keep going! I'm really enjoying it, honestly...
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I would. But I need to take 5 Minutes to Wipe the Spit off my Computer Monitor.
I've Noticed that this happens 87.33% of the time (n=20+) when I read a Study about e-Cigarettes that comes out of CSUSF.
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Yeah... When the Range of the Control Group overlaps with the "Median" of your Results Group (and you choose to Report your Findings using a Median - Which is Questionable In-and-Of Itself) then some would Question if you even have a Control Group?
What, Exactly, is it Controlling?
If you think these reports are scary, try reading some unbiased reports about air quality in major metro areas. In many areas just breathing is probably going to cause cancer.
The fundamental truth is we live in a toxic post-industrial world. We get toxins from our food, water, and air on a daily basis. If you want to be 100% toxin free, you are on the WRONG planet.
The fundamental truth is we live in a toxic post-industrial world. We get toxins from our food, water, and air on a daily basis. If you want to be 100% toxin free, you are on the WRONG planet.
Last year when I had a spot show up on my left lung ... there was much testing ... and visit's with multiple specialists. It all turned out to be nothing of concern. When I asked the doc, well what could have caused it. He replied ... who knows, it could have been something you inhaled walking down the city street.
Research news Friday
Extreme testing of undiluted e-cigarette aerosol in vitro using an Ames air-agar-interface technique - ScienceDirect
Interesting that under what they regard as extreme test conditions there was no mutagenic effect of vapor from e juice.
Air monitoring at large public electronic cigarette events - ScienceDirect
Not much toxic stuff at a vape meet. Good to know if you attend vape competitions several times a week.
A longitudinal study of electronic cigarette use and onset of conventional cigarette smoking and marijuana use among Mexican adolescents - ScienceDirect
And our usual Debbie Downer, higher conversion of adolescent vapers to cigarettes. Good news not to another plant based smoking material (come on, it's sort of a big part of the article so hard to ignore under forum rules).
Not a terrible week. That conversion stuff will remain a big deal whichever way you look at it.
Extreme testing of undiluted e-cigarette aerosol in vitro using an Ames air-agar-interface technique - ScienceDirect
Interesting that under what they regard as extreme test conditions there was no mutagenic effect of vapor from e juice.
Air monitoring at large public electronic cigarette events - ScienceDirect
Not much toxic stuff at a vape meet. Good to know if you attend vape competitions several times a week.
A longitudinal study of electronic cigarette use and onset of conventional cigarette smoking and marijuana use among Mexican adolescents - ScienceDirect
And our usual Debbie Downer, higher conversion of adolescent vapers to cigarettes. Good news not to another plant based smoking material (come on, it's sort of a big part of the article so hard to ignore under forum rules).
Not a terrible week. That conversion stuff will remain a big deal whichever way you look at it.
Imo it's a strong argument against restricting flavors. Won't only allowing menthol and tobacco make that conversion even more likely?
It's a possible argument to keep flavors around for juice but not cigarettes. I find it more of an issue that there have been conflicting findings dependant on the data collection methods and statistical analyses as to whether it really is a "gateway" to cigarettes or not. I think the jury is out on that for now.
I do think it's an argument for low to no nicotine combustible tobacco products while allowing for nicotine containing juice as it would greatly decrease the temptation to transition off of vaping to smoking. In my mind the most pragmatic approach is to enforce the age limitations. That would solve the problem if exposure to adolescents never occurs. We don't ban beer and other alcoholic beverages because teens might find a way around the law, and I can't see why such a reasonable approach cannot be extended here.
Let's also recognize the vast number of teen purchases for vaping revolve around cigalikes and pods like Juul that are obtained in the US at convenience stores and gas stations, not vape shops, so enforcement should be focused there if you really intend to limit access to the age group, not concentrate on true vape shops.
Something I don't understand, is my Pico 25mm with a Goon RDA on TC setting 450F - I get no temperature cut offs, as I get on DNA75 chip, but it still prevent dry hits...
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Some questions that may help answer this question:
What is the Amp rating on the battery you use with the DNA vs the one you use in the Nano? I have seen this behavior with multiple brands of mods and boards using batteries with weaker amp ratings.
What is the resistance of the coil(s) in the Goon and does it read the same on both mods?
Are you locking the resistance on both mods or letting it "free float"?
Is it a DNA 75 or DNA 75C?
The Amp differs between 20-30 (Sony VTC5, Sony VTC5A, LG HG2, LG HB6)
The resistance on the Goon is 0.2ohm (measured on GeekVape 521 Tab Pro).
Two different mods, same resistance reading - NOT possible
I lock the resistance, when I TC.
The DNA75 display is black&white
Try using the higher amp batts in the DNA and see if that changes things. I had the exact same issue with my VapeForward Vaporflask Lite if I used lower amp batts. As soon as I put higher amp batts in it, it worked perfectly.
I know the reading won't be exact but the difference between the reading on them should be minimal. If one is way off on reading the resistance, there could be a problem, and TC will not work right.
I know the reading won't be exact but the difference between the reading on them should be minimal. If one is way off on reading the resistance, there could be a problem, and TC will not work right.
Hi all and @mikepetro.
An interesting new study just out focusing on the results of e-liquid on live cells:
Evaluation of e-liquid toxicity using an open-source high-throughput screening assay
And includes a searchable data base on flavors/ingredients/chemicals:
TCORS E-Liquid Research and Analysis
The study is very extensive, and while I can wrap my head around most info on at least a basic level, I find much of this a bit over my head, and am unable to read further until this weekend.
An earlier study you posted here, I quoted on how investigating flavors was needed, and the 2nd link seems to be a good start on that.
The toxicity shown of PG/VG alone seems concerning.
And grows with flavors and concentration.
Vanillin was shown to be one of the most toxic of the flavorings.
Would love your take - and others here - on the data.
And/or/also if anyone feels/wants to start another thread on this study, have at it.
It would be poorly served by me.
An interesting new study just out focusing on the results of e-liquid on live cells:
Evaluation of e-liquid toxicity using an open-source high-throughput screening assay
And includes a searchable data base on flavors/ingredients/chemicals:
TCORS E-Liquid Research and Analysis
The study is very extensive, and while I can wrap my head around most info on at least a basic level, I find much of this a bit over my head, and am unable to read further until this weekend.
An earlier study you posted here, I quoted on how investigating flavors was needed, and the 2nd link seems to be a good start on that.
The toxicity shown of PG/VG alone seems concerning.
And grows with flavors and concentration.
Vanillin was shown to be one of the most toxic of the flavorings.
Would love your take - and others here - on the data.
And/or/also if anyone feels/wants to start another thread on this study, have at it.
It would be poorly served by me.
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It would have been Nice if they had Included what the Flavoring/Chemical Compound Percentages were?
Are we talking about a Flavored e-Liquid using 3% Total Flavoring? Or one at 20%?
No clue. Lots of data to sift through to get to it maybe?
But the 1st example with the heavy vanillin flavors shows a noticeable deviation (more toxic) from the PG/VG curve vs. the 2nd example with no vanillin that tracks with PG/VG.
But the 1st example with the heavy vanillin flavors shows a noticeable deviation (more toxic) from the PG/VG curve vs. the 2nd example with no vanillin that tracks with PG/VG.
Actually this is true for ANY study, which is exactly why there's multiple studies done by multiple researchers over a long period of time for the same question/topic. The ideal is that each subsequent researcher will expand and build upon the last researchers research until all the gaps are filled and a concrete conclusion can be made.
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