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New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

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  1. PugLady

    PugLady Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 9, 2012
    Arnold Maryland
    I didn't say I had an opinion on them smoking one way or another. My response was to someone saying that there aren't many or enough never-smokers vaping to deem a study on the effects if vaping on never-smokers. Again, I gave NO opinion on how I feel about teens vaping nic, 0-nic or vaping at all in general. My post was only to validate that more n more never-smokers or likely short term smokers are now picking up vaping as its gaining more trend popularity all the time.

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  2. Eskie

    Eskie ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 6, 2016
    NY
    Friday information dump.

    Measurements of electronic cigarette-generated particles for the evaluation of lung cancer risk of active and passive users
    Measurements of electronic cigarette-generated particles for the evaluation of lung cancer risk of active and passive users - ScienceDirect


    Overall meh as there's no identification of the e cig type but overall better than cigarettes and one fun factoid. 3D printers release more ultra fine particles into a room than the e cig tested. Doubt there will be a ban the 3D printers to save the children movement. Still it does provide a reasonable basis to conclude ultra fine particles won't be doing us in, at least based on current accepted levels of exposure as the amount found is well below that.

    The New Dangers of Electronic Cigarettes

    The New Dangers of Electronic Cigarettes - ScienceDirect

    Behind a pay wall but trying to make an argument for higher asthma rates among teens who vape. As the article in unavailable and there is only the abstract to go by, hard to dispute or agree. There was also some ethnic background stuff that may have played an issue in that.

    And from our very own Dr. F
    Do flavouring compounds contribute to aldehyde emissions in e-cigarettes?
    Do flavouring compounds contribute to aldehyde emissions in e-cigarettes?


    Seems flavorings don't increase aldehydes in vapor.

    Not a bad week for vaping.
     
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  3. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Thanks for the concise synopsis, Eksie!
     
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  4. kiba

    kiba Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2012
    Alexandria, Va, USA
    seems kind of weird that farsalinos was arguing against aldehyde emissions being in vapor just a few years back. (ce4 test)
     
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  5. untar

    untar Vaping Master

    Feb 7, 2018
    Germany
    He was arguing against the levels claimed by a specific study iirc
     
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  6. Semiretired

    Semiretired Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 24, 2011
    Middle Georgia
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  7. kiba

    kiba Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2012
    Alexandria, Va, USA
    Yeah I know, but he has done a lot of that in the past imo. The big ole diketones saga he started was one for the ages.
     
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  8. MikeE3

    MikeE3 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 23, 2011
    Skippack, PA
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  9. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    That report triggered me! I'm going to my safe space. Where's my wubby and coloring book?
     
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  10. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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  11. kiba

    kiba Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2012
    Alexandria, Va, USA
    It's like when you see at the beginning of a movie "based on a true story"

    btw, what was the actual article that one was based on?
     
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  12. MikeE3

    MikeE3 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 23, 2011
    Skippack, PA
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  13. kiba

    kiba Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2012
    Alexandria, Va, USA
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  14. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Dunno?

    But I'm sure those Pharmaceutical Companies were Happy with the Statistical Evaluation of the Results.


    FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE: Dr Benowitz is a consultant to several pharmaceutical companies that market medications to aid smoking cessation and has served as a paid expert witness in litigation against tobacco companies. Drs Ramo and Rubinstein have consulted for Carrot Inc, which makes a tobacco cessation device; and Dr Delucchi has indicated he has no financial relationships relevant to this article to disclose.

    FUNDING: Funded by National Institutes of Health (NIH) grants R21DA040718, P50 CA180890, P30 DA012393, S10 RR026437, and TRDRP 24XT-0007. Funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

    POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Dr Benowitz is a consultant to several pharmaceutical companies that market medications to aid smoking cessation and has served as a paid expert witness in litigation against tobacco companies. Drs Ramo and Rubinstein have consulted for Carrot Inc, which makes a tobacco cessation device; and Dr Delucchi has indicated he has no potential conflicts of interest to disclose.

    https://us.vocuspr.com/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=AAP&Entity=PRAsset&AttachmentType=F&EntityID=121686&AttachmentID=3b026982-97a7-4e43-8713-fef7106071c7
     
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  15. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    BTW - Check out the Data in this Table with regards to Acrolein...

    Biomarkers_1.png

    Check out the Median Acrolein amounts for the e-Cigarette Users verses the Control Group.

    OK... But now look at the Interquartile Range for the e-Cigarette Users verses the Control Group. Notice how much Larger the IQR is for the Control Group?

    Also look at the Range for e-Cigarette Users verses the Control Group.

    I can see why the Median Value of Acrolein for e-Cigarette Users might seem Relatively High. Because there are Values far to the Right of the Median that is Pulling the Median to the Right.

    CE4 Users?

    LOL
     
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  16. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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  17. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    BTW2 - Check Out the Differences in the Acrolein Ranges between e-Cigarette Users and Dual Users.

    And how the Dual Users Range has a Lower Maximum Value than the Control Group has.

    Does this Prove, Statically, that Dual Use is Safer than No Use at All?

    :lol:
     
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  18. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I think it proves the overall value of that study quite definitively.
     
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  19. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    Here is One More little Gem. Then I'm done with this "Study".


    "...

    Other limitations of this study
    include the fact that a wide range
    of e-cigarette products were used
    among participants, and thus, it may
    be difficult to pinpoint variability in
    toxicant exposure on the basis of the
    self-reported product used. However,
    this strengthens the external validity
    of the study because it gives a more
    real-world view of the toxicants
    found from the e-cigarette products
    commonly used by adolescents. ..."

    It is Rare to see a Research Claim that a Limitation of their Study actually Strengthens their Studies Validity in some way.

    But then again. Just about Anything goes at CSUSF when it comes to Bashing e-Cigarettes.

    :headbang:
     
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  20. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Z man, keep going! I'm really enjoying it, honestly... :)

    Anna
     
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