New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[Rossum]

Oh gawd, another one of "them"......

We're everywhere!

I have seen some nice compact dna squonkers though, just not my cup of tea.

Yep. I built one the first week the DNA40 was out. It was my most used mod for a bit over a year. Then the board died. No problem, I have plenty of spare boards (as I'm sure you know from the CoOps), and since I built it to begin with, I could certainly have replaced the board. Except I never bothered, because for me, mechanicals vape just about as well.

FWIW, my builds are practically identical. 3x30 twisted, 7 wraps, 2mm ID. Of course with Kanthal on a mech, I've got about 3x the resistance I had with Ti on the dna, but the amount of power and therefore the heat flux is about the same, as is the wicking (rayon). So one might deduce that peak temps are about the same as well, and I never hit temp limit on the dna unless I did something wrong, which wasn't often. No, I don''t really know what the 350°F I had the mod set to really was because the DNA40 didn't have a calibration for Ti. But I do know it only produced the slightest discoloration on dry rayon...

One thing that's better about mechs (at least for me) is that I'm not tempted/able to turn the power up to compensate for an aging build, something I very much had a tendency to do with my DNAs.

Anyway, there's no question that temperature is important, but I do believe that with builds using a conservative heat flux and good wicking that's kept wet, TC isn't needed to keep coil temps under control, at least not the way I vape.

Maybe one of these days the DNA60 will actually be available and I'll get motivated to fix that mod, and do some more experiments. Unfortunately, DNA75s do not work in the form factor I desire.

 

[NU_FTW]

Unless I want to use that ss coil in power mode, correct?

you can use the ss identical to how you would its kanthal counterpart even though resistance is less at same Watts will vape the same

 

[Katya]

you can use the ss identical to how you would its kanthal counterpart even though resistance is less at same Watts will vape the same

In power mode????

 

[Dubminer]

In power mode????

Yes in power mode.

 

[Katya]

Yes in power mode.

I give up... Just when I thought I was beginning to understand TC.

 

[Dubminer]

I give up... Just when I thought I was beginning to understand TC.

SS coils can be used in TC mode or power mode.

 

[Katya]

Anyway, there's no question that temperature is important, but I do believe that with builds using a conservative heat flux and good wicking that's kept wet, TC isn't needed to keep coil temps under control, at least not the way I vape.

That is still my belief, really. I use single coils, but my wicks are always wet and there's plenty of air in my atties. I don't chain vape, I vape at low(ish) wattages, I always have several devices in play and alternate between them. In other words, I practice safe vaping. Heat flux is a very good thing. I build Goldilocks coils--just right--not too hot and not too cool. I try to keep mine at 150-200 or so--nice and green.

I often vape unflavored, mostly very lightly flavored e-juices, I avoid diketones and deep lung inhaling. Makes me happy and keeps my nicodemons at bay.

What else can one do?

 

[Katya]

SS coils can be used in TC mode or power mode.

I know. But I thought that when used in power mode, their resistance mattered...

Oh, I see. Power mode is wattage mode.

I'm still thinking in voltage mode (sometimes, when I'm really tired).

Please forgive me and --NEVER MIND!

 

[kiba]

So 316 and 316L are interchangeable (for our purposes here)?

Any particular gauge/build you'd recommend? I normally use Kanthal single coils (touching), 29/28 g, 2.5mm ID, 1.2-1.5Ω. (I don't do fancy coils, Claptons, etc., unless they come with the atty. )

They're not quite interchangeable, but they're closer together and 316 setting you can probably use 316L and just offset your temp. I'm not sure you could do that with 430 bc it has a lot higher TFR range.

Use whatever guage you like for kanthal, but space them.

Can someone please explain to me why all mods, particularly new ones coming out still have nickel and stainless 316? Ti I understand but does anyone actually use those? Theyre both awful in separate ways, SS316 is horribly inaccurate and nickel is very soft and taste like dirty coins... & all 3 shouldn't be dry burned unlike many of the better TC wires. Wouldn't it be more helpful to have NiFe52, Ti and SS 430 or at least 316L as the defaults? On my DNA's Ive deleted all of that other nonsense.

 

[homeuser6]

so i borrowed my kids best temp gun this afternoon. removed the cap on my rsst and held the coil about 1 inch from the lens. after holding both buttons for at least 30 seconds, max hold was 240f .
2 ohm,32 gage,3mm hollow ekowool,13% dw in max vg,standard tilt
yes, i chain tootle puff. leaving this thread now. too complicated.

 

[thatrandy]

This is a real bummer, as someone who vapes as a hobby. But luckly, I have no addiction to it so I can quit at a drop of a hat. And I think the time has come.

and I don't believe most study that come out, but this one seems quite legit.

 

[kiba]

This is a real bummer, as someone who vapes as a hobby. But luckly, I have no addiction to it so I can quit at a drop of a hat. And I think the time has come.

and I don't believe most study that come out, but this one seems quite legit.

I've quit vaping a bunch of time's, mostly out of necessity but it was always very easy compared to cigarettes. there's really no need to taper down on anything it's not like you're on methadone, I think it has to do with all the other crap that's in cigarettes that makes it so much easier.

 

[Rossum]

What else can one do

Well, one could run nothing but mods based on the boards designed by the engineer with the long blonde hair, who last I heard, is not himself a vaper. But I'm skeptical that this is necessary in order to keep aldehyde production at "safe" levels.

 

[Katya]

Well, one could run nothing but mods based on the boards designed by the engineer with the long blonde hair, who last I heard, is not himself a vaper. But I'm skeptical that this is necessary in order to keep aldehyde production at "safe" levels.

So cynical, Rossum, so cynical.

One could do that, of course.

Somehow, I was more excited about TC 2.5 years ago when I first saw Phil's interview with Brandon. Maybe because Brandon is a vaper himself, or maybe because he's a bit more attractive as an advocate of TC.

For those who might be interested, this is the interview that started it all:

 

[Katdarling]

So! Are we safe yet? Have we all discovered THE answer?

Oh my. WHAT A THREAD. Mike, you win the award. This might just be moving faster than the (what was it?) 1 Million Member thread!

(10,000? 100, 000? I can't recall.)

@Bonskibon, I'm responding as I read the thread. Sorry if I'm coming on as annoying and pushy. I think I've repeated this thing at least one time too many now

Sent from my K6000 Pro using Tapatalk

Love your posts. Please do keep repeating. For some of us, it's the only way we'll begin to get it.

I'm going to need some actual evidence of that first though.

Mmmm hmmm. <nodding>

if it turns out there is something wrong with the way I vape,

 

[Katdarling]

or maybe because he's a bit more attractive

You're itchin' to get me started, aren'tcha.

 

[Katdarling]

I'm getting an iStick 60w and CF mod in the mail today and for the first time I'm not very excited. This thread has my head going in circles.

I am soooooooooo lost

Take a number, dear!

Butts.

Carpet does NOT have formaldehyde.
No, it most certainly does not.

Damm. I miss 'Brow. YES I DO.

 

[Katya]

You're itchin' to get me started, aren'tcha.

But of course I am. I knew you were on your way....

Thanks for all the likies.

Come on, we had fun, didn't we? Oh, the good old days.

 

[Katya]

1 Million Member thread!

That WAS fast!

But I think it was 10 Million Posts thread.

 

[Katdarling]

Unsafe levels are probably not in most current generation devices.

Ooooooooookay. Then I'm truly konfused now.

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, it's just possible you haven't grasped the situation. Jean Kerr

If—

IMO, the only winner on TC will be BT and their pod style cigalikes.

There is an agenda happening against open tank vaping ... they will eradicate it from the market.

The elephant in the room, Zee Man. (and my sense tells me the same)