New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[Rossum]

I think flavorings are a pandora's box. For one thing, the flavoring companies want no part of it.

There seems to be one exception: FA. They've gone above and beyond doing cell-culture studies with their flavorings. I wonder if they've looked at the effects of heat though?

But I am happy with unflavored, which what I vape about 75% of the time.

And there I thought you were hooked dill pickle flavored juice.

 

[Mayhem987654]

Lamfao

 

[Mayhem987654]

After reading all this I still don't know what a freaking "tootle"puffer is

 

[Rossum]

After reading all this I still don't know what a freaking "tootle"puffer is

Someone who vapes MTL at low power, although exactly what the power limit is isn't entirely clear; probably somewhere between 10 and 20 watts.

 

[Lessifer]

After reading all this I still don't know what a freaking "tootle"puffer is

Just a low wattage vaper, usually using more restricted airflow atomizers.

 

[DaveP]

I use only glass tanks (or PC) because I can see my eliquid clearly. Haven't had a dry hit in years.

I like to watch the bubbles rise. That's my assurance that the juice went into the chimney and kicked some air back out into the tank.

 

[Katya]

I like to watch the bubbles rise. That's my assurance that the juice went into the chimney and kicked some air back out into the tank.

Yup! Bubbles are good.

 

[Katya]

Just a low wattage vaper, usually using more restricted airflow atomizers.

N/M

Rossum beat me to it.

Note to self--read all the new posts before replying.

 

[mikepetro]

There seems to be one exception: FA. They've gone above and beyond doing cell-culture studies with their flavorings. I wonder if they've looked at the effects of heat though?


And there I thought you were hooked dill pickle flavored juice.

Truth be told, laziness took hold. Not only is unflavored easier to mix, but it is easier on the coils too.

 

[mikepetro]

Hey, Mike, am I the only one that sees the irony of using a TCR sensor to check a TCR device?

Well, thermocouples are precise enough to confidently validate accuracy. I have access to Fluke Process Calibrators that are traceable to the NIST to validate a thermocouple. So I know I can trust what they tell me. Also they work a little different. A thermocouple works by measuring the voltage potential across two dissimilar metals. A mod just uses a single piece of wire.

Where TC mods dont have anywhere near that accuracy level .

 

[Layzee Vaper]

Mike,
Have you verified the resistance measurement? That would be my first step. You would need a decent 4 wire ohm reader (I think some of the process calibrators have them....)

 

[sofarsogood]

Truth be told, laziness took hold. Not only is unflavored easier to mix, but it is easier on the coils too.

I've been using 1% flavoring all along. The taste comes through fine. My coils turn black but no gunk. I've been experimenting with burnishing the inside of the coil with a diamond deburing tool, hand held and turned with fingers. That seems to shine up the inside of the coil. I still find I like to rewick twice a week and rebuild twice a month, which seems to promote throat hit.

 

[mikepetro]

Mike,
Have you verified the resistance measurement? That would be my first step. You would need a decent 4 wire ohm reader (I think some of the process calibrators have them....)

Yes, I have a kelvin milli-ohm meter.

 

[Layzee Vaper]

OK. I was thinking you could compare the resistance reading on the mod to the measured resistance with your meter. BUT to get within 10 degrees your mod would need to be more accurate than your meter!
If I can get hold of a DNA board at a reasonable price I will do some comparisons I have access to a UKAS calibrated bench multi meter that we use as a calibration standard at work.

Any one know where I can get a cheap DNA 60 in the UK?

 

[mikepetro]

OK. I was thinking you could compare the resistance reading on the mod to the measured resistance with your meter. BUT to get within 10 degrees your mod would need to be more accurate than your meter!
If I can get hold of a DNA board at a reasonable price I will do some comparisons I have access to a UKAS calibrated bench multi meter that we use as a calibration standard at work.

Any one know where I can get a cheap DNA 60 in the UK?

Oh, I have done this a lot of times. Once you plug in an "offset", to compensate for the mod enclosure resistance, into Escribe the DNA measures the resistance quite well.

Note that under the hood the DNA actually reads resistance out to 4 decimal places.

 

[WillyZee]

we've seen people vaping, going on 10 years now ... has there been any cases where someone has actually been diagnosed with cancer, caused by vaping?

and putting cancer aside ... in the last 10 years, can someone confirm any serious negative health issues that have cropped up in regards to vaping?

 

[leftyandsparky]

we've seen people vaping, going on 10 years now ... has there been any cases where someone has actually been diagnosed with cancer, caused by vaping?

and putting cancer aside ... in the last 10 years, can someone confirm any serious negative health issues that have cropped up in regards to vaping?

I'm with you on this! I think We would have seen things showing up in x-rays and in COPD patients.

 

[DaveP]

Yup! Bubbles are good.

Yep, until juice runs down the side and out the air hole.

 

[DaveP]

I'm with you on this! I think We would have seen things showing up in x-rays and in COPD patients.

I think most of that would be a result of prior smoking more than vaping the last few years. It usually takes decades of smoking to cause emphysemia and/or cancer. We all hope we have avoided the smoking bullet, but time will tell.

IMO, vaping has to be much, much safer than vaping as long as the nicotine is clean and NETs or flavorings don't contribute to health problems. Most any doctor will agree, but will also tell you that it takes decades to develop accurate profiles for drug safety and environmental substances.

 

[leftyandsparky]

I think most of that would be a result of prior smoking more than vaping the last few years. It usually takes decades of smoking to cause emphysemia and/or cancer. We all hope we have avoided the smoking bullet, but time will tell.

IMO, vaping has to be much, much safer than vaping as long as the nicotine is clean and NETs or flavorings don't contribute to health problems. Most any doctor will agree, but will also tell you that it takes decades to develop accurate profiles for drug safety and environmental substances.

I know my lungs showed damage after 5 yrs of smoking, so that's why I think if vaping was as a bad, something would have shown by now.