Citric acid will turn freebase nic into nic salts, which is milder tasting, for one.
New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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I want to lower my pH primarily for the reasons Mike said above. I've been using Nude Nicotine "Smooth" nic salts, and its great at first, however after a few months it turns amber and it's affecting the taste of my vape (though NN says it shouldn't oxidize any faster than regular nic, I think that it does). Nic salts gives a much smoother vape than regular at high nicotine and I use it in Myjet pods and starting to use it in my tanks as well. At 80/20 pg/vg though, that's a rather high pH and so its a little harsher on the throat (not nic harsh, just very alkaline). I bought "Signature" nic salts from NN this time (just came in the mail) since my sample bottle stayed clearer than the smooth, it has a little harder nic hit and I am thinking of adding a little citric acid and water to it to drop the ph in smaller batch juices, so it doesn't turn as fast and gives a smoother vape at the lower pH. I don't think its as effective as other acids used by Juul and NN in producing nic salts for faster uptake in the body, and I've read it can give a citrus taste to some juice flavors, but it should help to some degree make for a smoother vape.
Actually I read some recipes posted by a site that's closing (forget the name) and they used citric acid in some of their recipes, and then I went to the DIY forum and saw others using it. Not sure they were doing it to lower their pH, but I saw other sources say it was good for that lowering pH and that's my main reason, any salts formed is a bonus
Actually I read some recipes posted by a site that's closing (forget the name) and they used citric acid in some of their recipes, and then I went to the DIY forum and saw others using it. Not sure they were doing it to lower their pH, but I saw other sources say it was good for that lowering pH and that's my main reason, any salts formed is a bonus
It sounds good. I can get where in those high nic settings like a pod that something to smooth out the nic makes sense, but I wasn't familiar with using citric acid for it.
Here's a quick look at nic salts for the Juul:
What are the nicotine salts in the Juul Pods? - Cigalike Freak
Havent tried one but I am intrigued by them. They use 5% (50mg/ml) nic. Thats why a lot of smokers have success with them, it delivers the nic big time.
I started out with Vuse, which at the time I knew nothing about (literally bought at a 7 11 with no research and I was still smoking). Sure enough I was off cigs the same day. Later found out Vuse is 48 mg of nic as well. When I moved over to a "real" vape, it was a mtl 24 mg setup for some time before I started dropping nic, mostly because I was developing a more DL pattern of use. I'm a strong believer that a new vaper/ex-smoker transitioning over does better with a higher nic setup to keep the cravings down. I think there are situations where a new vaper gets stocked up with a DL type of setup and then fails at getting off smokes. If I had jumped straight off into the deep end with vaping I doubt I'd still be at it.
Then again, if I had started with Juul or a MyJet or other decent pod, who knows if I would have ever felt the need to get deeper into vaping. One thing I'll give credit to, a well designed pod/cigalike with a quality juice is a big step up from earlier "entry level" cigalike things, and probably a terrific first choice for a smoker needing an easy transition. Stopping smoking is hard enough. Having to learn all about vape gear/mods/tanks/coils/juices and batteries is asking a lot when you're really missing that cigarette with your morning coffee.
Everything you said here mirrors my thoughts exactly. I started vaping at least part time probably over 4 years ago, tried Apollo Ecigs, Blu's, NJOYs, and Vuse when it came out (like you said, best thing at the time for those wanting to get off cigarettes, with that high nic). Then I found this forum, tanks, and still vaped high nic 36 mg and some 24, then went to 18 to 24, and now with nic salts im back up to 32-36mg in my myjet pods (and sometimes 32 mg nic salts in my tanks at low power, lol). Yet I vape less with the high nic salts, about 2 ml a day. If I were to give someone a device today to quit smoking, it would be a Myjet pod with NET extract at 32 or so mg nic salts, Its better than a cigarette, pure tobacco flavor. Or an NJOY Daily, or a Juul, though those are so expensive. Or a Nautilus coil tank, or better yet my recent favorite drop in coil Ego One V2 with CLR coils, at a lower nic salts level. If they like menthol, I have a DIY Peppermint Ice thats just as good as an NJOY daily Menthol IMHO. Most folks going from cigarettes where they did MTL will do better with those setups than with higher power DL at 3 to 6 mg nic. I would have failed quitting smoking with that or chain vaped all day long lol.
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Yep, Njoy Dailys (high nic, likely salts), Juul, Vuse (ugh that taste!) any device or pods with high nic nic salts will certainly get folks off smoking, though they are pricey.
I got my temp test on different juice compositions completed. The results surprised me a little, but did back up that lower Boiling points required less temperature.
Now keep in mind that was a subjective test. It was "my" opinion of what was satisfying or not. Your mileage may vary.
Minimal Vapor = Barely enough for a MTL hit, possibly would satisfy tootle puffers
Meaningful Vapor = Enough vapor for a decent, but not strong hit.
I was surprised that the Burnt Hit started at 505 on all juices. I guess thats when the bad stuff in VG became noticeable to me.
I was surprised that I liked the 75/25 as much as I did. I have been a 50/50 guy for years, usually set at 420, but the 75/25 gave me a damn fine hit at 390. I also see why the cloud chasers like VG so much, while it lacked that little something to satisfy me (probably TH) it did give dense vapor.
Anyway, if you believe the Wang Study and want to be in safer temperature ranges, lower the boiling point of your juice. If you dont know whats in your juice, try DIY or switch to something that has better labeling.
This works for VW folks too. A lower boiling point juice means that you can lower your wattage. If you can lower your wattage, you are also (more than likely) running lower temperatures. If you can run juice "A" at a lower wattage than juice "B", then juice "A" is probably a lower boiling point.
ETA: I added it to the blog so it doesnt get lost in the thread. The blog post has all the BP charts in it.
Now keep in mind that was a subjective test. It was "my" opinion of what was satisfying or not. Your mileage may vary.
Minimal Vapor = Barely enough for a MTL hit, possibly would satisfy tootle puffers
Meaningful Vapor = Enough vapor for a decent, but not strong hit.
I was surprised that the Burnt Hit started at 505 on all juices. I guess thats when the bad stuff in VG became noticeable to me.
I was surprised that I liked the 75/25 as much as I did. I have been a 50/50 guy for years, usually set at 420, but the 75/25 gave me a damn fine hit at 390. I also see why the cloud chasers like VG so much, while it lacked that little something to satisfy me (probably TH) it did give dense vapor.
Anyway, if you believe the Wang Study and want to be in safer temperature ranges, lower the boiling point of your juice. If you dont know whats in your juice, try DIY or switch to something that has better labeling.
This works for VW folks too. A lower boiling point juice means that you can lower your wattage. If you can lower your wattage, you are also (more than likely) running lower temperatures. If you can run juice "A" at a lower wattage than juice "B", then juice "A" is probably a lower boiling point.
ETA: I added it to the blog so it doesnt get lost in the thread. The blog post has all the BP charts in it.
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Mike, there's always one in every group, so I'll ask if you tried 50/50 with H2O at all?
My condolences to you for the mess in you range hood and on the stove. If it had been cold outside, say 35 or lower, you'd probably need a razor scraper for the windows. I hate to think about the walls and ceiling, too.
My condolences to you for the mess in you range hood and on the stove. If it had been cold outside, say 35 or lower, you'd probably need a razor scraper for the windows. I hate to think about the walls and ceiling, too.
Nope, didnt try it.....
But it stands to reason that adding H20 would lower the boiling point. I would just be afraid of getting the juice too thin and winding up with leaking attys.
Yeah, well, squonk if you got em........I could put straight DW one of my setups and it wouldn't leak.
I could put straight DW one of my setups and it wouldn't leak.
Yeah... Just don't look down the Drip Tip when you Squonk.
I was thinking along the lines of 5-10%. Something to try in the future.
I just ran a total and so far, since the end of 2013, I've mixed just over 15 liters of liquids.
I just ran a total and so far, since the end of 2013, I've mixed just over 15 liters of liquids.
I looked at that and said... "15 Liters? Holy Flinkering Snit!"
So I got out my Ti-89 and calculated that in the last 6 Years I have made about 13 Liters. Wow. Had never really thought about how e-Liquid I had made?
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