New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

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Ok so let me make this easy for someone to make it easy for me:

My setup:
Dual coil
Twisted 24g A1K
.2 ohms
66.0W
Organic cotton
Doesn't really matter the mod, but it's an ipv something or other. Tops at 80w which I never go to.

6mg 80vg/20pg mix
Never let it run dry

I should note that I am not running this setup to "chase clouds". It's simply the right hit for me. Perfect airflow on my hanya postless, perfect throat hit, satisfactory nicotine amount.

I can't sit and read all 217 pages in this thread. It's been a while since I've seen what new stuff people are using to vape. Apparently people are using ss-316 wire and temperature control these days. Once I found my supremely satisfying vape, I stopped paying attention and enjoyed it. So should I switch what wire I'm using now and begin using the temperature control?
 

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Ok so let me make this easy for someone to make it easy for me:

My setup:
Dual coil
Twisted 24g A1K
.2 ohms
66.0W
Organic cotton
Doesn't really matter the mod, but it's an IPV something or other. Tops at 80w which I never go to.

6mg 80vg/20pg mix
Never let it run dry

I should note that I am not running this setup to "chase clouds". It's simply the right hit for me. Perfect airflow on my hanya postless, perfect throat hit, satisfactory nicotine amount.

I can't sit and read all 217 pages in this thread. It's been a while since I've seen what new stuff people are using to vape. Apparently people are using ss-316 wire and temperature control these days. Once I found my supremely satisfying vape, I stopped paying attention and enjoyed it. So should I switch what wire I'm using now and begin using the temperature control?
Youre not smoking so that is good.

I have no clue how hot your vape is getting. If you are concerned look at my blog (in my tagline) and look at the "Variables" post.

I would try SS430 as SS430 would match resistance closer. Make a build with SS that you like, play with and find that satisfying vape. SS430 will run on whatever mod you are currently using. Then try your build on a friends TC mod and see how hot you have to dial it up to match that vape.

I will say, your build sounds an awful lot like a build I tested for @Mowgli, high mass, low resistance etc. And in my tests for him I found he probably was not getting above 440F.

See:
I know you have some V2 Aromamizers...Do you have any 24ga SS430?

I'm running dual 3.5mm 24ga SS430 with 6/5 wraps in my Aromamizers with Sally's rayon.
The Boxer it's running on reads .143Ω when I lock resistance at room temp (68-69F).
The vape is thick & flavorful enough for me @ 410F with 45j on my sx350j Boxer mods.
87% VG, 10% PG-based flavoring, 3% saline, 3mg/ml (VG) nicotine
I'd guess 40W-45W would equal the vape.

I've been using 50W when I hike. I use VW when I hike because temp varies.
I'd be interested in knowing what the coil temp is at 40W-50W in my setup.

If you have 24g SS430 and you're taking requests...

I quit using twisted and run 24ga SS430 in all my tanks now.
I could send you some for testing if you like. PM if so.
I also have some UNK 28g & CW 27g that I'll probably never use.
Let me know if it'd help.

And my testing:
New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

and also here:

New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
 

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UWells website says their pre made .5 coils for the Crown II are SUS316 Stainless Steel. Are these ok for temp control use?I know Kanthal isnt but SS generally is a metal you can use for TC?
I couldn't get a good vape in TC with my SS Crown 1 coils.
They're SS with Ni200 legs so it's near impossible to nail down a good TCR
Try it if you have them already.
 

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I couldn't get a good vape in TC with my SS Crown 1 coils.
They're SS with Ni200 legs so it's near impossible to nail down a good TCR
Try it if you have them already.

Im using it right now, set power to 65w and capped it at 390F and its quite nice. At 3.3 seconds it gets up to 370F. Maybe the Crown II coils are straight SS?
 

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Future Testing schedule:
  • Rebuild of RSST genesis atty using 2ohm, 28g kanthal build
  • SMOK TFV8 Big Baby, will test a stock X4 dual coil, and a stock T6 triple coil.
  • Eleaf MELO 4 Sub Ohm Tank, will test stock EC2 0.3ohm and EC2 0.5ohm coils
  • Joyetech Atopack Penguin, will test stock 0.25 Ohm and 0.6 Ohm coils
 

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What temp should I stay under for ss430? I'm set at 450F at 45 watts, & 50watts preheat for 2 seconds. I get the temperature protected before I finish my hit.
"Temp Protect" is NOT a bad thing. It just means the mod is doing its job and not letting you go above 450f. I would not worry about "Temp Protect" messages at all.

I think what temp you vape at has a lot to do with your juice.
See
Juice Boiling Point and Vaping Temperatures (includes BP Charts)
 
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Future Testing schedule:
  • Rebuild of RSST genesis atty using 2ohm, 28g kanthal build
  • SMOK TFV8 Big Baby, will test a stock X4 dual coil, and a stock T6 triple coil.
  • Eleaf MELO 4 Sub Ohm Tank, will test stock EC2 0.3ohm and EC2 0.5ohm coils
  • Joyetech Atopack Penguin, will test stock 0.25 Ohm and 0.6 Ohm coils

I'll admit the genny isn't a biggie for me, but the Smok tank will sure be interesting given its popularity (just as Nauti coils are, and I was surprised by your findings with that one) and the Penguin as a sorta closed system approach.
 
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Hi Mike, I don't know if this has already been covered but I'm wondering if it's possible to get inside a cartomizer on a cigalike. I only use products like Blucigs and Njoy cigalikes. I know the blu carts are around 3.5 ohms which seems like it would get pretty hot but I have no idea how much power a cigalike is pushing. It feels more underpowered than a vivi nova at 3.7 volts, i know that much. Thanks.
 

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Hi Mike, I don't know if this has already been covered but I'm wondering if it's possible to get inside a cartomizer on a cigalike. I only use products like Blucigs and Njoy cigalikes. I know the blu carts are around 3.5 ohms which seems like it would get pretty hot but I have no idea how much power a cigalike is pushing. It feels more underpowered than a vivi nova at 3.7 volts, i know that much. Thanks.
Pod mods, maybe, cigalikes, doubtful. I have a few cartos laying around, I will take a look at them, but I dont hold high hopes.

Higher ohms does not mean higher temp though. It is just one of many variables. Depending on the design of ecig, it might actually burn quite cool. In fact, if it is a BT product my gut tells me they are paying attention to temperature.
 
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Pod mods, maybe, cigalikes, doubtful. I have a few cartos laying around, I will take a look at them, but I dont hold high hopes.

Higher ohms does not mean higher temp though. It is just one of many variables. Depending on the design of ecig, it might actually burn quite cool. In fact, if it is a BT product my gut tells me they are paying attention to temperature.

Yeah I kinda figured, thanks for the reply. And thank you for sharing and putting all this time into your research, it's been a fascinating read. What worries me about these bt cigalikes is the fact that there is still no window in the cartomizer to see the juice level, so there's no way to tell when that dry hit is coming. These guys are supposed to be the innovators yet the only cigalike on the market with temp limits is the juul, a pod system with toxic amounts of crappy nicotine from a company that specializes in weed vaporizers lol. And people can say just switch to something better but I'm speaking for the thousands of people like myself who just want something simple that satisfies. I'm only in the minority on forums like these.


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Toxic amounts? I found it merely adequate given the general lack of vapor output.

Idk, I had a bad reaction from it.. maybe it's just the benzoic acid or the "natural oils". I never felt so bad from an ecig. Could've been anything though, everyone's different. I was just talking some smack


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mike , sorry for the delay,i was out shooting with the kids and grandkids
". I would think the blue would be better in a genny."
that's 10 wraps of 28g,same everything else. 28 tends to wrap tighter on the wick because of its stiffness but the target is still 2 ohms. everything same except for the coil mass. my perception is hotter vapor. or do i imagine this. i prefer cooler vapor, no throat hit. by steam engine that would be accomplished in blue range but heat flux concept is not working for me. only you can say if my perception is wrong. there is no auto time limit ,the button stays pushed till vapor is produced. if the higher mass coil stays cooler, i will go with it. if not, i will doubt the utility of the heat flux calculation as applied to my rig. maybe you can see that i am looking for a build where evaporation cooling can keep up with electrical heating(a kind of equilibrium, but closer to 420 or 400f than 450)like tc without a circuit board.i expect more mass is harder to cool than less mass. so why is more mass blue and less mass red. i could gain some insight into what factors matter with your help. feel free to expound if you wish.
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Not the prettiest coil. 10 wraps around ekowool was a challenge, although I am sure it would get easier with practice. Worked out to 1.99 ohms using kanthal A1 28g.
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It ran a "little" hotter, but not much. What was noticeable though was how much longer it took to cool down. It held onto the heat for a while, the atty even starting getting warm. It also took a little longer to ramp up so I did 10s hits for the testing.

I was able to push it up over 500 pretty easy if a chain vaped it, ie didnt allow it to cool down between hits. If it were me I would stick with your first build, or try 4-5 wraps of ribbon wire.

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Sorry,, On A tablet Today...posting And Editing Nightmare......i Saw Your pile Of Wire...it Takes Up More Space Than All Of My Vape Gear :)

Husband Worried My Extreme Decluttering Mood Is Going To Send Him To Goodwill HahA
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35 different wires! :confused:[/QUOTE]
 
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