New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[mikepetro]

Good news, I found a decent deal on a Mettler/Toledo™ PB 303-S/FACT® Precision Balance on eBay. Lets hope it matches the description on the listing.

Readability of 0.001g
Max Capacity 310g
Repeatability 0.001g
Linearity 0.002g

 

[mikepetro]

hm in my experience,
when I increase my nic drastically I will get headaches. -that pain would make me then vape less...but not really how Id like it. I think increasing nic by 20% would not make me vape 20% less.

When I said "bump it up a little", I didnt mean "crank" it up.
Anyway, just something to try if you are interested.

I know I will increase my nic by 10% when I know I am going into a situation where I will need to stealth vape. I definitely puff less often, and still dont have any problem with nic cravings.

 

[mikepetro]

I hate to admit this in a public forum. I understand very little of what has been written. My take away has been that lowering the temperature of the vape is generally considered to be "safer" - if "safer" is the correct word to use (my preference has generally been "risk reduction").

Endeavoring to do so, I have changed have been changing the coil build for use in my mechanical squonkers. I aim for a "heat flux" number in what is considered to be the rather cool range. I use the old style of the Steam Engine coil calculator.

Now, to the question, has my take away from what I have read been correct? Does the cooler coil, in some way, mimic the beneficial effect of temperature control in regulated mods?

@mikepetro I have to thank you for the work you have put into this project, it is obviously extensive and time intensive. I wish that I had the educational background to understand all of it (or, after reading my post, you may wonder if I understood any of it).

I wouldnt call it temperature "control", but you have effectively reduced your temperature by reducing the heat flux the coil operates in. It is no doubt a move in the less harmful direction.

 

[badwaterbill]

Pierogies are sacred:

I will not watch a thread in which porn is displayed, pizza and stuff which I have a weakness for.

 

[mikepetro]

I will not watch a thread in which porn is displayed, pizza and stuff which I have a weakness for.

If you have a weakness for "coffee" you better stay out of the other thread I hang out in then......

 

[Katya]

Though contrary to what many may think, increasing your nic could actually be safer from an aldehyde POV.

Another reason why I stay with MTL vaping--I don't want huge volumes of I-don't-know-what getting into my lungs; 12-16 mg/ml, short drags, lower wattage, no chain vaping. Heck, I don't even inhale all the time--think cigar or pipe smoking. Works for me. My lungs have suffered enough.

YMMV, as always.

 

[Katya]

I wouldnt call it temperature "control", but you have effectively reduced your temperature by reducing the heat flux the coil operates in. It is no doubt a move in the less harmful direction.

Funny how Brandon and John always insist on using the term temperature limiting, not temperature control, which is, of course, a more accurate term. But nobody listens. TC won the day.

 

[mikepetro]

Funny how Brandon and John always insist on using the term temperature limiting, not temperature control, which is, of course, a more accurate term. But nobody listens. TC won the day.

I think it more semantics than anything else. "Control" vs "limiting" might have different FDA connotations.

 

[mikepetro]

Another reason why I stay with MTL vaping--I don't want huge volumes of I-don't-know-what getting into my lungs; 12-16 mg/ml, short drags, lower wattage, no chain vaping. Heck, I don't even inhale all the time--think cigar or pipe smoking. Works for me. My lungs have suffered enough.

YMMV, as always.

I inhaled every last puff of my cigars....... 5+ a day.
I vape 36mg, its what I started at, and Ive never cut back. I also havent smoked a cigar since........

 

[Katya]

I think it more semantics than anything else. "Control" vs "limiting" might have different FDA connotations.

Interesting. I haven't thought about it.

I inhaled every last puff of my cigars....... 5+ a day.
I vape 36mg, its what I started at, and Ive never cut back. I also havent smoked a cigar since........

Really? Hardcore?

 

[mikepetro]

The sad thing though, that photo still makes me drool a little.

 

[Katya]

The sad thing though, that photo still makes me drool a little.

E-cigar, perhaps?

 

[mikepetro]

E-cigar, perhaps?

Naw, I dont want anything that even reminds me of it. I found a really good Cuban Cigar ejuice early on, had to dump it, it just made me want the real thing. To this day I wont do tobacco juices, dont want to romanticize the devil. I do fruits and savories, or just unflavored.

 

[DPLongo22]

I think it more semantics than anything else. "Control" vs "limiting" might have different FDA connotations.

It's going to take one great, big anvil on my head before I believe that the FDA has even the smallest concern for our health in mind. If they did, many things (GMOs, tobacco, the metric system*, etc.) would be different in our world. This old story hasn't changed, and has gotten worse actually.

The driving forces have been identified (IMO), and they have nothing to do with temperature (other than that which is generated by our anger).



Follow the...

* "metric system" was a joke, just by the way.

 

[DPLongo22]

An interesting article by Dr F:

Changes in puffing topography and nicotine consumption depending on the power setting of electronic cigarettes


So, this leads me to wonder......

Though contrary to what many may think, increasing your nic could actually be safer from an aldehyde POV.

We self-titrate, which means we will unconsciously take as many puffs to get the nic our body craves. If the nic level is too low we will take more, and LONGER hits. Remember LONGER hits means higher temperatures.

So if you bumped you nic up a little bit, you would actually find yourself taker fewer and shorter hits. You could also reduce your wattage and still get a similar satisfaction level.

This is why I never traveled the "lower nic" road. Not for the aldehydes or anything, but because it took me more to satisfy myself (so to speak).

Almost exactly six years to the day ago, I began at 18mg. I currently vape 15-18mg, with no plans on reducing. I am happy.

Actually, I guess I don't plan to change much of anything now, do I?

 

[Katdarling]

Nope.

 

[DPLongo22]

Nope.

Bye again.

 

[Katdarling]

Grab my coat, wilst ya?

 

[Boobsley]

I inhaled every last puff of my cigars....... 5+ a day.
I vape 36mg, its what I started at, and Ive never cut back. I also havent smoked a cigar since........

Ha, I’ve still got a humidor full of that very brand. Only they are Maduro & not the torpedos. 52x7 I believe. Listed them on Craig’s list about a year ago, but no takers. I’ll bet they are aged quite well by now. I’ll probably give them to my brother for Christmas.

 

[440BB]

There's quite a bit of useful info for those of us who are happy with our legacy setups to have an even safer vape. Something as simple as dialing back the voltage/wattage a bit, taking shorter draws and cutting down chain vaping can keep the temps lower and more consistent. For those of us who DIY, adding water to improve VG viscosity has been done for a long time so it should be easy for anybody to incorporate.

I think whatever one's style, there is useful information here that they can choose to use without much change at all. Even an dinosaur like me, a better informed dinosaur thanks to this thread!