As you try different juices, you can tell right away if it's super sweet or not.
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As you try different juices, you can tell right away if it's super sweet or not.
Jeremy, dude, I can't help thinking that somewhere down the road, you are going to regret making this decision. If I was young again, with healthy lungs and my future ahead, I would not put anything in there but the cleanest air I could find. I say this as a guy who started smoking VERY early on.
There are many who do enjoy vaping as a hobby, but most started to get rid of a dangerous addiction, and support a less hazardous activity.
My $.02.
Maybe the advice to follow is the advice your lungs are giving you. Pain. Don't.
There are many who do enjoy vaping as a hobby, but most started to get rid of a dangerous addiction, and support a less hazardous activity.
My $.02.
Maybe the advice to follow is the advice your lungs are giving you. Pain. Don't.
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I will say this. I don't "adore" the "But it's so much safer than smoking!" argument as a rationale for vaping. A lot of things are "safer than smoking" including: skydiving, welding (if using the right safety equipment-- perhaps, taking up the flute, learning to paint, lying in the grass staring at the stars, etc.
The only rationale for "It's safer than smoking" is the one that should be used for harm reduction in smokers.
The rest of you are "hobbyists." Don't be claiming it's safer than smoking as a reason, though. It's kind of a "Who cares?" moment for me. Hobbyists or people taking up vaping for pleasure should OWN that fact (and the associated risks, IMO).
Hobbyists are NOT vaping because it's "safer than smoking" for the most part, they find vaping intriguing enough to want to jump on board. I don't mind saving you a place on the ship,
BUT it is a ship, a harm reduction and NOT a harm elimination ship, that does lead to some areas of concern. Vaping became popular because of the fact that smokers were finding VAST harm reduction (not elimination).
IMO whenever someone says "It's safer than smoking!" as a new vaper, I kind of wince. It IS safer than smoking, but if you weren't going to pick up a big old pack of cigarettes to get yourself addicted, then don't say that plays/played a role in your decision. No offense to you at all I just doubt that most hobbiests even WANT to smoke. They want to experience vaping, which is fine by me.
Just... Don't use the "safer than smoking" argument unless you have already started smoking and used vaping to quit. It's a very different feeling (I would imagine) compared to taking it up as a hobby.
The fact that vaping CAN and DOES have risks should be evidenced by the fact that your lungs hurt. Etc.
Anna
The only rationale for "It's safer than smoking" is the one that should be used for harm reduction in smokers.
The rest of you are "hobbyists." Don't be claiming it's safer than smoking as a reason, though. It's kind of a "Who cares?" moment for me. Hobbyists or people taking up vaping for pleasure should OWN that fact (and the associated risks, IMO).
Hobbyists are NOT vaping because it's "safer than smoking" for the most part, they find vaping intriguing enough to want to jump on board. I don't mind saving you a place on the ship,
BUT it is a ship, a harm reduction and NOT a harm elimination ship, that does lead to some areas of concern. Vaping became popular because of the fact that smokers were finding VAST harm reduction (not elimination).
IMO whenever someone says "It's safer than smoking!" as a new vaper, I kind of wince. It IS safer than smoking, but if you weren't going to pick up a big old pack of cigarettes to get yourself addicted, then don't say that plays/played a role in your decision. No offense to you at all I just doubt that most hobbiests even WANT to smoke. They want to experience vaping, which is fine by me.
Just... Don't use the "safer than smoking" argument unless you have already started smoking and used vaping to quit. It's a very different feeling (I would imagine) compared to taking it up as a hobby.
The fact that vaping CAN and DOES have risks should be evidenced by the fact that your lungs hurt. Etc.
Anna
Right there with ya Anna. Jeremy sounded very young.(Of course I cannot know) I have to own my decision to smoke in the first place, but that choice was made when I was a 9 years old! Hardly a mature, advised consent.
If you're 25 years old, and wanna go cloud chucking, or building toys, good on ya. OP asked for advise on an open forum, and this is mine.
DON"T do something you will regret later in life. It may look like fun, but it is also expensive, time consuming, and there is an element of risk involved which, for someone who hasn't the smoking risk, already, may not be acceptable.
Porcupine OUT.
If you're 25 years old, and wanna go cloud chucking, or building toys, good on ya. OP asked for advise on an open forum, and this is mine.
DON"T do something you will regret later in life. It may look like fun, but it is also expensive, time consuming, and there is an element of risk involved which, for someone who hasn't the smoking risk, already, may not be acceptable.
Porcupine OUT.
I can already taste the sweet in the menthol haha
I already stated that i know the risk, i say its safer than smoking as an excuse because it really is part of the reason why i decided to give it a shot, i once was hanging around smokers, i never once smoked but still got plenty of second hand smoke and had a lot of opportunities to start smoking but never took as i was scared of the risk, now what i pretty much did was a comparison of the 2, pros and cons and made a final decision. I know it might sound frustrating hearing me say this as an excuse but it really is part of the reason why i chose to. When it comes to electronic, i am a huge geek so having such a tech played a big role in making this decision, something to tweak with sounded like a great idea and then there is the flavor of course. Don't worry, i am not offended, i will keep in mind your opinion and will try not to use it as an excuse or explanation to my decision the next time i need to.
This is not strictly true. Vaping is much older than being used to stop smoking. It has a pretty interesting history. All commercial juices have sucralose or some form of sweetener. Just stick with higher ohm lower watts for a while and let your body adjust. We enjoy vaping, no reason why you shouldn't too.
These statements are contradictory. No electronics geek would have to look up Ohm's law; they would know it by heart, along with Kirschoff's laws.
These statements are contradictory. No electronics geek would have to look up Ohm's law; they would know it by heart, along with Kirschoff's laws.
I say that but i still had to learn those, haha... I say electronic geek, but i guess i only started to learn on electronic recently
, i'd say that i am a geek beginner haha, i always had interest in electronic.I would never call myself an electronics geek. My husband is one though, so I just make him do all my tough stuff.
I mean, Sunday is our day of rest.... He's out there trying to "complete" a sundial for the back yard with some corrugated iron, LOL.
He's not an electronics engineer but when I said, "Ohm's law" he said, "Oh yeah, I know that one but it's been awhile... I'd have to look it up." LOL. That's far better than where I started from.
He also seems to have some sort of "intuitive understanding" of what I consider to be complex menu items, he'll usually grab my mod, ask me what I want to do, then do it. LOL. I have instructed him in the use of ecigs, but when it comes to complex menu options he's kind of an idiot savant.
So, I have not great motivation to learn electronics but so far, the husband has fixed everything broken I've thrown at him, so my motivation remains low.
And when the kid and him talk well, it's my "happy tune out time" where I just enter an imaginary world of unicorns and rainbows while they talk about various phone and computer---"blah blah blah blah."
I think you get to be an electronics expert by learning and I think some knowledge (engineering and electrical) can generalize so if the guts of your ecig and measuring your battery's performance or WHATEVER floats your boat, it does.
If you also feel at risk of smoking, I'd say that starting vaping instead is sort of a rational line of defense. Etc.
Anna
I mean, Sunday is our day of rest.... He's out there trying to "complete" a sundial for the back yard with some corrugated iron, LOL.
He's not an electronics engineer but when I said, "Ohm's law" he said, "Oh yeah, I know that one but it's been awhile... I'd have to look it up." LOL. That's far better than where I started from.
He also seems to have some sort of "intuitive understanding" of what I consider to be complex menu items, he'll usually grab my mod, ask me what I want to do, then do it. LOL. I have instructed him in the use of ecigs, but when it comes to complex menu options he's kind of an idiot savant.
So, I have not great motivation to learn electronics but so far, the husband has fixed everything broken I've thrown at him, so my motivation remains low.
And when the kid and him talk well, it's my "happy tune out time" where I just enter an imaginary world of unicorns and rainbows while they talk about various phone and computer---"blah blah blah blah."
I think you get to be an electronics expert by learning and I think some knowledge (engineering and electrical) can generalize so if the guts of your ecig and measuring your battery's performance or WHATEVER floats your boat, it does.
If you also feel at risk of smoking, I'd say that starting vaping instead is sort of a rational line of defense. Etc.
Anna
Yeah, that's pretty much how we get me and my dad haha, my mom just feel like we are talking in an alien language lol.
Picking up that first cigarette is about the only thing I ever did that I regret without reservation.
On the other hand "It may look like fun, but it is also expensive, time consuming, and there is an element of risk involved" probably applies to a lot of the things I've really enjoyed in my life.
As life choices go, trying vaping just doesn't seem like a big one to worry about.
You're gonna do what you're gonna do...
As much as I hate seeing a non-smoker start vaping (or smoking), I am thankful that you have the choice to vape instead of smoke.
We didn't have that choice.
As far as I can tell, after studying the subject for the last year, there is no credible, conclusive evidence that vaping is harmful in any way. And nicotine, as long as one does not ingest quantities great enough to be poisonous, does no damage to the human body either. People simply enjoy the sensation that small quantities of nicotine induce, just as they enjoy a similar effect from the caffeine in their coffee.
I do see a great number of fear mongering headlines in the popular press about vaping and nicotine, but they all seem to be designed to stir controversy and incite the passions rather than inform readers. And there is a lot of weird, baseless speculation like, for instance, mixing PG and VG together and heating it might somehow magically create carcinogens! No theory from chemistry is suggested or even alluded to to explain how this might occur. As Garrison Keillor used to joke on his long running radio program "there is always a group of upright people who spend all their time worrying that someone, somewhere may be having a good time".
The thing that puzzles me is why someone would take on and persist with a new activity, like vaping, if it causes them pain or discomfort. But, I guess it must offer you some reward or you would just stop doing it. Perhaps you'd want to consider dropping the menthol. It was always too powerful a sensation for me when I smoked tobacco.
I do see a great number of fear mongering headlines in the popular press about vaping and nicotine, but they all seem to be designed to stir controversy and incite the passions rather than inform readers. And there is a lot of weird, baseless speculation like, for instance, mixing PG and VG together and heating it might somehow magically create carcinogens! No theory from chemistry is suggested or even alluded to to explain how this might occur. As Garrison Keillor used to joke on his long running radio program "there is always a group of upright people who spend all their time worrying that someone, somewhere may be having a good time".
The thing that puzzles me is why someone would take on and persist with a new activity, like vaping, if it causes them pain or discomfort. But, I guess it must offer you some reward or you would just stop doing it. Perhaps you'd want to consider dropping the menthol. It was always too powerful a sensation for me when I smoked tobacco.
The only harm i see in vaping really is if you get spitback from the atomizer and allergies if you have any and that you get less breathing because its still inhale and yeah i think the menthol might be too strong for me, i'd need other flavors to see the difference and i'l try pure pg and vp e-juice to see for allergies just to make sure, and i still try even with pain because i think that with time my lungs will adjust, besides for now the pain is minimal(very) and i followed previous suggestion to get higher ohms and lower wattage so i should get a less "rough" transition haha.
Yes there are many things you can probably try to make vaping easier on your system, and I would suggest trying them honestly, and probably sooner rather than later, as "pain" shouldn't be an outcome of vaping (even "minor" pain). My worry is you are going to start tuning the sensation out, and potentially be vaping something that isn't good for you.
If I hadn't discovered my PG sensitivity early on, I'd probably be something of an unhappy camper. I will say, as a 3 ppd smoker, even when things were starting to get very bad, I kind of "tuned out" a lot of it, mainly because I felt I would be unable to make the switch. It had to get pretty horrendous for me to do it, and probably even vaping a PG sensitivity was more "healthful" although it wasn't "great."
So, I'd kind of make it my goal (especially since you are a non-smoker) to make sure my lungs didn't feel "pain" in any sense of the word, and I will also point out that you are experiencing what many smokers may not, during their switch, since you have "virgin" lungs so to speak.
I wish I could say the same, and I very much doubt I'd be a vaper if I hadn't been a smoker first, and it weren't my only "way out" to be quite honest. I am 100% certain vaping is harm reduction for smokers, I am 100% uncertain of what vaping can do to a non-smoker, but you do have to come to grips with the fact that you are still (minus combustion) inhaling a bunch of things into your lungs that did not used to be there.
I just hope "the desire to vape" doesn't blind you to some of the (possible, not certain) health effects, and pain usually means "You're doing it wrong." With vaping certainly, but also many other things.
Good luck with your experiments (which I hope you do sooner rather than later).
Anna
If I hadn't discovered my PG sensitivity early on, I'd probably be something of an unhappy camper. I will say, as a 3 ppd smoker, even when things were starting to get very bad, I kind of "tuned out" a lot of it, mainly because I felt I would be unable to make the switch. It had to get pretty horrendous for me to do it, and probably even vaping a PG sensitivity was more "healthful" although it wasn't "great."
So, I'd kind of make it my goal (especially since you are a non-smoker) to make sure my lungs didn't feel "pain" in any sense of the word, and I will also point out that you are experiencing what many smokers may not, during their switch, since you have "virgin" lungs so to speak.
I wish I could say the same, and I very much doubt I'd be a vaper if I hadn't been a smoker first, and it weren't my only "way out" to be quite honest. I am 100% certain vaping is harm reduction for smokers, I am 100% uncertain of what vaping can do to a non-smoker, but you do have to come to grips with the fact that you are still (minus combustion) inhaling a bunch of things into your lungs that did not used to be there.
I just hope "the desire to vape" doesn't blind you to some of the (possible, not certain) health effects, and pain usually means "You're doing it wrong." With vaping certainly, but also many other things.
Good luck with your experiments (which I hope you do sooner rather than later).
Anna
Overheating them will definitely produce some cabonyls and the chemistry behind that is no secret, but... Even at threshold temperatures just below where it starts tasting nasty, the levels of those substances are substantially less than they are in smoke, and you're not getting all the other crap in smoke.
Just out of curio, who showed you how to rebuild? That seldom do folks post what they're cooking on during or after when these questions arise. What power are you using? Mod's niiice, but can you post a pic of your build? Like I said, just curious. And certainly not to encourage you but help if poss to isolate the source/s of your issues, I'd suggest foregoing flavorings and vape straight VG non-flavored for relief and contrast.
Good luck.
Good luck.
It is not a huge risk, perhaps, and compared to smoking, preferable. No doubt. But OP is not transitioning from smoking, but from just breathing.
The risks, however low, are non-zero and greater than his baseline. That is why i would always discourage a non-smoker from starting to inhale any foreign substance. As has been said, he will do what he wants anyway.
That info is widely available on this site. It isn't about anti-vape propaganda, or whatever. Search site for carbonyl. You said you had been researching for a year...?
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