Newest B&M Scam

[TaketheRedPill]

I don't really believe in this logic. Initially that may be the case at first thought but once someone learns how to quit properly and switch to vaping, I find the strength of the nic has more to do with the TH, especially if they straight lung hit. I was a somewhat heavy smoker bitd but I could never do over 18mg because it was just too harsh on the throat with the devices I was using. New Vapor's should not be vaping only when they get a nic urge at a 24mg if it is too harsh for them. They should be vaping all the time throughout the day at a comfortable level of a TH for their tastes. This settles those urges instead of getting spikes.

Not sure what to say about that except it's a time proven method and why bottlers bottle the strengths that they do. Nobody said vapers should only be vaping at 24mg. But if a vaper discovers that vaping 1 mil of 24mg or 18mg or 11mg throughout a day of scheduled smokebreaks keeps them from cigarettes, why discourage that in favor of chainvaping 10 mils of 2.4mg?

Lung inhaling is not a smoker behavior. I've never met a smoker who 'lung inhaled' cigarettes. Smokers I know are used to a smoking style that is scheduled - in time and in amount. And I don't think that nicotine gets processed any differently in lower lung tissue than upper lung tissue. Recommending all-day deep-lung inhaling to smokers with compromised lung function is not something I would do.

the quality nicotine of today is so highly refined it has little to no taste and pretty much zero throat hit at 3mg/ml. For the most part, TH at 3-6mg is a result of heat, PG and additives.

 

[AndriaD]

But that's not the case with most, They're using 3 times the juice/hit which means they're using the same amount of nicotine as you/hit. They're just paying three times as much for it.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with folks using 15-20ml a day if prices really go as high as so many keep hollering about, after the "regulation" takes effect.

Andria

 

[alicewonderland]

if it ever gets to a point where nicotine costs get so high, i honestly am just going to start vaping pure vg/pg 0% nic. im just wworried it wont be satisfying to me and i can see myself just quitting vaping altogether at that point. I dont see it difficult to quit vaping, at this point in time, i just fear going back to cigarettes for the 'satisfaction', they were so easy to get hooked on in the first place i dont think iw ould have the willpower to -not- pick up a cigarette up once in a while, then every once ina while turns into 2packs a day again...

 

[KenD]

A person does need three mods. You need a mech, something with a dna 40, and a back up for the dna 40.

Actually, you need a backup for every mod you own. So if you have three you'll need six, at which point you'll need twelve, at which point you'll need 24, and so on. At least that's the way I've been going at it

 

[KenD]

But that's not the case with most, They're using 3 times the juice/hit which means they're using the same amount of nicotine as you/hit. They're just paying three times as much for it.

Unless you diy. It'll still be more expensive than 1/3 of the juice at triple the nic concentration, but not thrice the price. Then again, at this point I vape for my enjoyment rather than for the nic. 1 mg/ml (with mostly 0 mg/ml in my drippers), due to the memory/stabilizing effects nicotine has on me.

 

[beckdg]

Can you imagine being the very first dude to drip 12 or higher on accident via discovery?

I'd be very upset. [emoji14]

Tapatyped

 

[alicewonderland]

I'd be very upset. [emoji14]

Tapatyped

when i first started dripping i was dripping 24-36mg lol.

 

[EBates]

That settles it. I'm going into business with a new business model.

I will sell joose mg kits.

Low ... 15 ml 0 mg & 15 ml 6 mg

Med ... 15 ml 12 mg & 15 ml 18 mg

High ... 15 ml 24 mg & 15 ml 36 mg

All bottles with nic level labeled solely by undisclosed color code to be released at a later date.

[emoji23]

Tapatyped

Not pretty colors, please. For the children's sake

 

[kaahn]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with folks using 15-20ml a day if prices really go as high as so many keep hollering about, after the "regulation" takes effect.

Andria

I would hope that e juice suppliers would drop their profit margin to keep the prices around the same if government decides to over tax us as e-juice companies are already making a killing on juice as it is.

 

[WillyZee]

I would hope that e juice suppliers would drop their profit margin to keep the prices around the same if government decides to over tax us as e-juice companies are already making a killing on juice as it is.

increases in operating costs almost always get passed onto the consumer ... IMO, vaping will not be the first industry to stray from that.

 

[DC2]

3 is around because of drippers. Am I right? People? People? Am I right?

Not exactly. I'm a dripper and I use 12mg strength.
Of course, I drip on a standard 510 atomizer using an Ego Twist battery.

 

[Retro138]

Most of the B&M shops near me will add whatever nic level to 0mg for free. I thought this was a staple of sorts.

 

[AndriaD]

Not exactly. I'm a dripper and I use 12mg strength.
Of course, I drip on a standard 510 atomizer using an Ego Twist battery.

I use a Magma or Veritas -- but dripping means only a 1mg reduction, because my drippers' coils are quite similar to my kayfun coils, and no change to my 83%-84% PG. I vape to refrain from smoking, not to create my own personal weather.

Andria

 

[kaahn]

increases in operating costs almost always get passed onto the consumer ... IMO, vaping will not be the first industry to stray from that.

I understand that there will be more operating expenses but even with those costs the profit margin will still be huge. That is why there are so many different ejuice companies out there. There is also another variable though...DIY! So they can choose to pass the cost to the consumer or choose to lose customers.

To be quite honest, if juice gets any more expensive than $20 a 30ml bottle...DIY here I come!

 

[Ryedan]

I would hope that e juice suppliers would drop their profit margin to keep the prices around the same if government decides to over tax us as e-juice companies are already making a killing on juice as it is.

I really don't think that is in the cards

 

[Ryedan]

Not exactly. I'm a dripper and I use 12mg strength.
Of course, I drip on a standard 510 atomizer using an Ego Twist battery.

Like I said earlier, it's not about dripping, it's all about the watts

 

[DaveP]

I vape 6mg juice. Sometimes, my supplier is out of 6mg, so I order 50ml of 0mg and 50ml of 12mg in the same flavor and mix them. If you keep an empty 50mg bottle around it's easy to make 6mg.

B&M owners are always in a struggle to keep customers buying juice. You pay more, but most have a juice bar where you can try all the juices. That's worth something. My local B&M has no juice that I'd pay elevated prices for. They have around 60 flavors from several vendors, but I guess I'm picky about the juices I vape.

I buy a lot of my hardware from them simply because for the extra $10 bucks or so I pay to "get it now" they will swap defective mods over the counter and deal with their wholesale supplier to get a replacement. I get a new one and they do the leg work.

There's value in having a good B&M close by.

 

[ronscave]

Ok the way I see it. Say you only want 30ml and 30 will cost you $15, but your forced to buy two 15ml bottles (0mg and 6mg). The 15ml cost $9.50 so now you've spent $19 to get your 30ml worth or $4 more for the same amount. I've been in that situation myself and yeah I kind of felt ripped off.

 

[jseah]

I would hope that e juice suppliers would drop their profit margin to keep the prices around the same if government decides to over tax us as e-juice companies are already making a killing on juice as it is.

It would be interesting to see what exactly that tax would amount to if the government imposes a tax on e-juice. Because then we would be able to see exactly what the profit margin on e-juice is. In NYS, the tax is 75% on the wholesale price. So if they are selling the e-juice for $12 for a 15 ml bottle, and NYS then imposes a $4 tax on that 15 ml bottle, then we know that the wholesale price is $5.33 ($4 divided by 0.75) and the remaining $6.67 is retail markup. FYI, NYS currently imposes a $4.65 tax on every pack of cigarettes. NYC imposes an additional $1.60 on each pack. I believe the federal tax is $1 per pack.

It would also be interesting to see if the tax is imposed per ml or per bottle.

 

[alicewonderland]

It would be interesting to see what exactly that tax would amount to if the government imposes a tax on e-juice. Because then we would be able to see exactly what the profit margin on e-juice is. In NYS, the tax is 75% on the wholesale price. So if they are selling the e-juice for $12 for a 15 ml bottle, and NYS then imposes a $4 tax on that 15 ml bottle, then we know that the wholesale price is $5.33 ($4 divided by 0.75) and the remaining $6.67 is retail markup. FYI, NYS currently imposes a $4.65 tax on every pack of cigarettes. NYC imposes an additional $1.60 on each pack. I believe the federal tax is $1 per pack.

It would also be interesting to see if the tax is imposed per ml or per bottle.

the taxing of eliquid is the stupidest thing ive ever heard of imo. What are they going to do, tax 0mg and 24mg bottles the same? might as well just go to walmart and pick up a bottle of humco VGlycerin and flavorings, or are they gonna start taxing skin emolsifiers and food flavorings as well?