Nicotine poisoning rockets mid e-cig battle

[Traver]

I put this up because it is the first case I know of someone dying from drinking juice.

In May, a two-year-old girl in Israel died after drinking the liquid, and cases of liquid nicotine poisoning are becoming increasingly common worldwide. Poisoning can occur through drinking the liquid or inhaling the vapour.

http://www.thelocal. se/20131230/sweden-child-nicotine-poison-ecigarettes-increase

Nicotine poisoning rockets mid e-cig battle - The Local

 

[tommy2bad]

Well if their grasp of the Ecig part of the TPD is anything to go by then this is garbage.
As I recall the Israeli story was never confirmed and could have been gum, no inquest report so we'll probably never know. The idea that poisonings are on the increase is worrying but surely this is a non story as all needs be done is child proof caps and adequate warnings about access by children.
No mention of the fact that a ban on ecigs and juice is the problem here as it leads to badly packaged products. Simple solution; legal ecigs and e juice with packaging regulation and labeling.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Duplicate

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-toddler-drinks-liquid-nicotine-perished.html

 

[Fulgurant]

I put this up because it is the first case I know of someone dying from drinking juice.

In May, a two-year-old girl in Israel died after drinking the liquid, and cases of liquid nicotine poisoning are becoming increasingly common worldwide. Poisoning can occur through drinking the liquid or inhaling the vapour.

www. thelocal.se/20131230/sweden-child-nicotine-poison-ecigarettes-increase]Nicotine poisoning rockets mid e-cig battle - The Local[/url]

The quote you've excerpted is astoundingly brazen in its disregard for basic reasoning: first, the author mentions that one child died, which is at least a verifiable fact even if we don't know the exact circumstances leading to the death. Then, before the audience has a chance to catch its breath, the author slides smoothly into the sweeping pronouncement that, "cases of liquid nicotine poisoning are becoming increasingly worldwide," which is at best debatable, but sure, for the sake of argument I'm sure we can stipulate that some form of liquid nicotine poisoning -- whether it has any long-term implications or not -- could plausibly happen with some regularity.

But then the author skips straight to, "Poisoning can occur through drinking the liquid or inhaling the vapour[!!!]." Wait, what? We only have questionable data to suggest that even trivial liquid poisoning occurs with any considerable frequency. The article's reference to a ten-fold increase in nicotine poisoning in Sweden certainly isn't convincing, given that the ten-fold increase still only amounts to less than 30 freaking people, total. Hasn't anyone in the press heard of the difference between marginal and absolute gains? If I have an investment that yields a 1000% return, but I only invested $1, then should I be throwing an expensive party to celebrate?

Anyway, we've suddenly gone from the questionable premise that the strength of the liquid is problematic to the bald and unsupportable assertion that e-cigarette vapor is poisonous. Unbelievable.



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[Elnroth]

This is old news. Some very shady things occurred with the investigation due to the fact the child more than likely died for reasons other than nicotine poisoning

Notice the article does not reference the autopsy report

 

[Traver]

Newspapers and journalist try their best to sensationalize their story's. That's what sells and it isn't going to change.

I am suspicious of this story because it runs counter to the evidence from hundreds of thousands of of children that have been reported to have ingested tobacco in this country. It also seems unlikely that she could have ingested a lethal dose without throwing up. Nevertheless there can always be an exception.

I guess we will never know unless they release a blood test.

Just as important is that this being reported all over the world.

 

[Nermal]

Certainly it's being reported all over the world, just as you state. You just reported it again, and your choice of headline assures that it will be picked up by others from outside the forum.

 

[YKruss]

This has been discussed - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/422959-israeli-toddler-drinks-liquid-nicotine-perished.html

 

[AgentAnia]

:trend-spotting agent reporting in: We recently saw the KY poison control center story. It was taken up by several media outlets as a "national poison control center crisis" report. Now it looks like the ANTZ are taking it worldwide.

I've been monitoring the Israeli child story and to date there have been no updates and no confirmations, which actually I find curious. Nothing has ever been published as to established cause of death. So the Swedish journalist's statement, presented as fact, is in fact based on a single unsubstantiated news story.

Side note: I'm surprised this comes out of Sweden, home of the wildly successful snus THR.

 

[Orb Skewer]

What about another 2 more links to the same 7 month old 'un-verified' tragic story just for luck?

 

[Uma]

Dr. Farsalinos said what I said, only in a much polite way! Mines still in moderation mode lol.

 

[Traver]

Certainly it's being reported all over the world, just as you state. You just reported it again, and your choice of headline assures that it will be picked up by others from outside the forum.

You are there's nothing new here.

 

[Spazmelda]

Ooh. If I was Jameson's I'd be pretty freaking mad about that picture.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Ooh. If I was Jameson's I'd be pretty freaking mad about that picture.

If your gonna do a 'sensationalist' piece of trash journalism why not enhance the 'scene setting' for maximum subliminal effect and add a picture of what to the casual reader, looks like a minaiture bottle of very strong whiskey ?

I'm surprised they didn't use a bottle of 'Radiator Pluid' turned slightly in the shot to show only the word 'Radiator'


Aunty-freeze anyone *rolleyes*

 

[Rickajho]

Speaking of "'sensationalist' piece of trash journalism" - aren't these the very kind of stories that should have been posted with broken links?

 

[Orb Skewer]

Speaking of "'sensationalist' piece of trash journalism" - aren't these the very kind of stories that should have been posted with broken links?

I know this is the 'suggested' approach-but it's not one I personaly agree with, information is information, if someone curious types e-cigs into google and ends up on that page they are then privy to reading the 'counter-comments', if a 'noob' in here gets interested in the wider politics they might be put off joining the link up-or may not even know how, as I've said before Rick-we have the moral high ground here and have nothing to hide.
Whatsmore if someone types 'killer -ecigs', or 'is there antifreeze in electronic cigarettes' and end up in here-then that can only be a good thing, the 'education' is in here-and not necessarily 'out there'.
ECF hiding stuff aint gonna hinder-but it could help. Dunno if that made any sense ?

Another way to look at it
Anyone in the world could type (insert illicit drug name here) into a search engine and they wont end up in here.
However they could type in 'Arsenic' and they could end up in here, or 'Anti-Freeze', or 'Exploding e-cigs'.

So the suggestion is to break links to junk science-but what does that realistically achieve ?.

 

[tommy2bad]

I know this is the 'suggested' approach-but it's not one I personaly agree with, information is information, if someone curious types e-cigs into google and ends up on that page they are then privy to reading the 'counter-comments', if a 'noob' in here gets interested in the wider politics they might be put off joining the link up-or may not even know how, as I've said before Rick-we have the moral high ground here and have nothing to hide.
Whatsmore if someone types 'killer -ecigs', or 'is there antifreeze in electronic cigarettes' and end up in here-then that can only be a good thing, the 'education' is in here-and not necessarily 'out there'.
ECF hiding stuff aint gonna hinder-but it could help. Dunno if that made any sense ?

Another way to look at it
Anyone in the world could type (insert illicit drug name here) into a search engine and they wont end up in here.
However they could type in 'Arsenic' and they could end up in here, or 'Anti-Freeze', or 'Exploding e-cigs'.

So the suggestion is to break links to junk science-but what does that realistically achieve ?.

It's to do with the way google works. Every time someone clicks a link google increases it's position in search results. If the link is broken and needs to be copy 'n' pasted to a browser search bar then google doesn't add to the rankings.
By breaking links we deprive articles like this of publicity when someone searches for ,ecigs, nicotine, poisoning or any of the attached keywords.
Breaking the link needn't be filling it up with spaces or extra characters, it's enough to add a space once in the right place.
A small bit of extra effort on our behalf to save the antz propaganda spreading.

 

[generic mutant]

It's to do with the way google works. Every time someone clicks a link google increases it's position in search results...

It's a little more complicated than that. If lots of people create a link to some site, so the link text reads "bananas are yellow", Google is likely to show that site near the top of searches for "bananas are yellow" - hence how you can Googlebomb something.

But also, spiders will read web pages in near real-time and create a database of keywords and links on them. How the algorithm decides which sites are important is obviously a trade secret, but it's to do with the how frequently they're linked to, and on the same page as what keywords. So probably pretty much every time you put up a link to a news story, on a site called 'e-cigarette-forum', with e-cigarettes mentioned in the page's text, you're increasing that news story's Google index ranking for phrases with 'e-cigarette' in.

 

[Rickajho]

A mod will have to come in and explain this all over again, but yet another reason is if the link isn't broken then ECF gets tracked as the referring URL to the hit for the link. In tracking-speak ECF likes "Nicotine poisoning rockets..." Pretty sure we don't, but that's not how Google works.

 

[Orb Skewer]

So, it's supposed to 'alter ranking' and search results to negative, ANTZ and propogandised articles, and that somehow jams something in the spokes of the 'oppositions' war machine ?

try these strings in any search engine and tell me if you can see what effect it's having, if any ?

E-cigs
Are E-cigs healthy
Are E-cigs safe
Are E-cigs bad for you
Are E-cigs dangerous
What are E-cigs
Should I use an E-cig

There are gazillions of results

IMHO trying to damage the ANTZ war machine by breaking links is akin to trying to bring down a Death Star with a pea shooter