NOT Happy with the Leo!!

[MtnLioness]

Atty was dead inside of 3 weeks, and had no back up atty. Ordered 2 atty's (for $22 total), was so stoked to finally get them today--and now one of the Leo batteries is dead as a door nail. Vendor will NOT replace the battery, so I'm done with it. Back to what's reliable--a Joye eGo! Got one in September of last years, batteries are fine, and the atty's last a lot longer.

NOT happy!!!

 

[eLaureen]

Sorry to hear this!! Intersted to hear about other peeps experience with the Leo...

 

[monsterkitty]

wow, i'm also sorry to hear this. i got my leo a little over a week ago. so far, so good. i also have 2 back-up attys and a back-up battery. geez i thought the leo was more reliable than that. i did a search and found others that had problems. did the vendor say anything about the atty? if both the atty and batt went, that's the entire thing! now i'm wondering about mine......

 

[JollyRogers]

My battery died within a week. My vendor replaced mine under warranty fairly promptly. madvapes. First atomizer is still OK, but it isn't being used as a main PV.

 

[Mobius_13]

Sorry to hear this!! Intersted to hear about other peeps experience with the Leo...

I've had mine since Christmas and all is well. I have 2 batteries that I interchange, and use one atty. Even though I have a back up just in case. It's been great for me so far. Great taste, lots of vapor, and long battery life. I chain vape and it lasts all day.

 

[Jackal3]

That sucks about your atty and battery. I still have my two from October going strong. That's 3 months now. I'm curious, though, for those who's battery went dead and those with attys that died, what method were you doing? Dripping or carts? Were you charging the batteries with the given usb cable or others? Using a PC to charge or wall charger from another PV?

I charge all my PVs via a powered (plugged into a wall outlet) 6 port USB hub. Its not even connected to a PC. I bought the USB hub and stuck all my PV chargers into it (those with USB charging cables).

I rarely drip with the Leos. When I do it's 2-3 drops, that's it. I also check that no liquid gets between the battery and atty by wiping the tiny bit out often.

So I'm wondering if it's method that kills batteries and attys or is it the units themselves?

 

[Jackal3]

Oh, and Mtlioness, I'd be complaining with whom you bought your Leo. What vendor was it? (you can PM me if you don't want to announce it publicly). I bet there is a warranty, I know Boge has a warranty on parts.

 

[ec!gg]

I am really sorry to hear about your Leo. I would ask for some sort of credit or something considering they provided you a 30 day warranty.

So far I have only heard excellent things about the Leo.

 

[MtnLioness]

That sucks about your atty and battery. I still have my two from October going strong. That's 3 months now. I'm curious, though, for those who's battery went dead and those with attys that died, what method were you doing? Dripping or carts? Were you charging the batteries with the given usb cable or others? Using a PC to charge or wall charger from another PV?

I charge all my PVs via a powered (plugged into a wall outlet) 6 port USB hub. Its not even connected to a PC. I bought the USB hub and stuck all my PV chargers into it (those with USB charging cables).

I rarely drip with the Leos. When I do it's 2-3 drops, that's it. I also check that no liquid gets between the battery and atty by wiping the tiny bit out often.

So I'm wondering if it's method that kills batteries and attys or is it the units themselves?

Dripping and connecting to a wall outlet.

I'll PM you with the vendor--who I did complain to. He refuses to replace the battery. No 30 day warranty.

 

[Jackal3]

We'll I know the Leo single battery sets do not come with a wall adapter, just a usb cable. I wonder if the wall adapter was too much or too little power for the battery? I have one of the Royal Leo sets and came with a wall adapter. I'll have to check the specs on it.

 

[mgmrick]

I still stand by my stance that the leo produces a better vape,flavor,and throat hit compared to my ego. I did have my first atty go bad at 6 days (my vendor replaced free of charge)

I do however feel that the leo is way over priced. With boge's stance now that they can not be sold for less than 50 dollars for a one battery one atty that is too high. At that price I would never buy it. Ego products now have a new tanks system and have more vendors selling and can be had for almost half of the leo cost

 

[lasttango]

Yeah, I know my vendor would have bonused me an atty if that were the case...
good luck.

 

[mgmrick]

On boge's website I thought I read something about 3 month warranty

 

[MtnLioness]

I still stand by my stance that the leo produces a better vape,flavor,and throat hit compared to my ego. I did have my first atty go bad at 6 days (my vendor replaced free of charge)

I do however feel that the leo is way over priced. With boge's stance now that they can not be sold for less than 50 dollars for a one battery one atty that is too high. At that price I would never buy it. Ego products now have a new tanks system and have more vendors selling and can be had for almost half of the leo cost

Agreed---much better vape with the Leo vs the eGo. ...Wow, dead atty in 6 days? Yes, overpriced with only 1 atty in a kit, esp. with attys that expensive that die so quickly. Just not worth it.

 

[MtnLioness]

On boge's website I thought I read something about 3 month warranty

Maybe if you buy them from Boge's site, but my vendor certainly wasn't honoring that. I even brought this up to him.

 

[VeeDubb65]

My Leo atty died in just under 3 weeks. Not counting the Blu kit I started with, it's actually the first atty I've every popped. It simply died. I had only cleaned the atty twice, both times with nothing more than hot tap water.

I used carts modified for better wicking (my own mod very similar to the ADM) about 90% of the time, and dripped the rest.

I only use straight PG juice because I care more about flavor and TH than big flavorless clouds.


The one interesting note is that I have always used dekang juices. My Leo atty died just a few days after switching to an american made RY4.

Also, since there are so many different revisions of the Leo already, mine was the kit that came with 5 carts, no carry case, PT enabled and a sealed battery; but no logo on the batt.

Of course, I've got 2 more attys on the way because I love the Leo. If I get a couple months each out of my next two attys, I'll be sticking with the Leo for a looooong time. If they both pop after 3 weeks, I'll be very sad, but I'll be going back to my egos or moving up to something else.




On a mostly unrelated note, Jackal is right on about powered USB hubs. They're fantastic. BT headsets, gamepads, cell phones, e-cigs.... Seems like everything can charge over USB and a fully powered 6 or 7 port hub can be a real life saver. Do be aware however, that some devices will recognize that they are attached to a hub and not just a charger puck, and refuse to charge if the hub isn't connected to a computer, or the computer isn't powered up, even if it's a fully powered hub.

 

[caged]

Maybe if you buy them from Boge's site, but my vendor certainly wasn't honoring that. I even brought this up to him.

Where did you buy from?

 

[throatkick]

The short version:

The Leo helped me quit smoking. I received it in the morning of Dec 24th 2010. Not only have I not smoked, I'm having more fun vaping! I can only be forever thankful!

Longer version:

I bought two kits in order to have the spare parts. It is a good thing I did because 1 atty went rather quickly. The site I bought it from says he will guarantee them for 30 days, so no problem there. The issue is that I think I want to frame it and not send it back!

The atty works but it doesn't produce any vapor. I have tried cleaning it and can try again but I fear I am losing the patient!
Any ideas?

The $$$ issue:
Putting a $ value on quitting smoking simply will never happen for me. I spent a total of $400 on vaping supplies and I am close to breaking even already. If it is expensive, it may hurt sales and I would hate to standardize on something hard to find. Assuming replacement parts don't break down so quickly, I have zero concerns.

Leo wish list:
1. Make parts more reliable (Obvious and assumes they aren't. 510 atty went in a week too)
2. Seal battery. Although if you look closely, it will require gross negligence to flood
You get the gurgling when drawing far before enough juice collects to overflow into battery.
3. Make a passthrough I think they have but without enough sales/vendors/interest/threads it is very hard to remain current.
4. 510 and other popular atty adapters to allow choice of batts. I would like to be able to use use my ego mega batt with the Leo atty if needed.
5. Some kind of tank /feeder system. 1-2 drops DD every few minutes is getting a bit tiresome.

eGo vs Leo:

There is simply no comparison. The end.

I have an eGO sitting right next to me with 3 batts (one a passthrough) and about 10 attys (some mega). The eGo is an excellent all around, very versatile device. That is about it. The vape is cold and lifeless. The LR attys most probably do damage to the batts eventually if not right away. Even with LR attys, the vape is "dead"

With the Leo I can use 18 mg juice and much less of it. With the eGo I use 36 or very lightly diluted 36mg and use about twice the juice. I still have to take mega drags to counteract the "dullness" of the vape.

That's it. Any help with the Leo atty appreciated.

The atty patient:

 

[VeeDubb65]

Leo wish list:
1. Make parts more reliable (Obvious and assumes they aren't. 510 atty went in a week too)
2. Seal battery. Although if you look closely, it will require gross negligence to flood
You get the gurgling when drawing far before enough juice collects to overflow into battery.
3. Make a passthrough I think they have but without enough sales/vendors/interest/threads it is very hard to remain current.
4. 510 and other popular atty adapters to allow choice of batts. I would like to be able to use use my ego mega batt with the Leo atty if needed.
5. Some kind of tank /feeder system. 1-2 drops DD every few minutes is getting a bit tiresome.

1. This will only come as people spread the word about the Leo. It takes time for a new device to make headway in the market. Keep talking about it. Keep recommending it. Keep showing it to people and telling them how it helped you.

2. All the Leos being produced now, and most of the ones vendors have for sale, have sealed batteries. While there are some (like mine) that have a sealed batt and no logo, you can always be sure it has a sealed battery if it has the leo logo engraved on the band where the atty connects. Look for that with your next batt purchase (they don't last forever) and you'll get a sealed battery.

3. Exact same as #2. Replace every instance of "sealed battery" with "passthrough."

4. That will come with popularity. However, I suspect it will come slowly. Boge has little incentive to do this, and the Leo connector is unique. That means it will have to come from a 3rd party with lower resources. It will probably happen. Maybe sooner than you think, but I suspect that it will happen the other way around. As in, you'll get adapters that will let you use other attys with the Leo first. Of course, that's kind of lame since it's the atty that makes the Leo special, but it will probably help boost the fan base.

5. If you like to drip, the monstrous Leo atty can easily take 4 drops, and has only the slightest reduction in performance at 5 drops. It's only when you get to 6 or more that it doesn't work so well. If you have one of the newer ones with a sealed batt, this is even easier.

 

[Jackal3]

I just received one of the newer ones with the Leo scroll work on the battery band. It has a sealed center hole and all Leos made by Boge as of November 2010 are Pass Throughs. I too wish more vendors sold the Leo as well as spare parts. Makes me wish I had enough capital to open my own store.

For those few with a bad atty or battery (and I believe the total count is still way under 10 people), I ask you to consider how many stories of bad 510 atties are out there? How many third party companies had to make their own version of the 510 atty to compensate for the poor quality atties? Who's one of the better 510 atty makers? Boge. Who makes some of the better qualilty cartomizers for 510? Boge. So before giving up on your Leos, I think we should all give this new Leo design a fair chance.

Boge is working on improving the Leo all the time. They've gone from a simple 800mAh battery to a PT version, to a sealed battery version, and more improvements are coming and I know you'll like them ; ) .