Now we have to worry about booze in our vapes.

[ENAUD]

I wonder if folks were scratching their heads and saying WTH is going on here when the ...... madness print and newsreels were hitting the streets?...More of the same tried and true lie to them till they believe it crap being shoved down the publics throat till they just accept the lies as facts...

 

[Hulamoon]

I like the "study" currently running on MSN that touts "E-cigarettes Don't Help Smokers Quit tobacco: Study". E-cigarettes Don't Help Smokers Quit Tobacco: Study The U.S. is chock-full of self proclaimed "experts" who know very little about anything except how to prostitute themselves for funding. The -war- against vaping rages on....

Ah, but I was heartened by the sheer volume of replies - just hammered that article right into the ground. Refuting every idiot article like this should be on every vaper's agenda. What makes me wild is when they put this trash on the 'net, without an option to reply.

 

[Racehorse]

what's going on? i know plenty of vapers that purposely add alcohol to their DIY e-liquid to improve the throat hit in low MG juice. I would have-to assume the amount we vape daily would have NO effect on the central nervous system and NO negative effect on the brain/organs.

Are any of you recovering alcoholics?

I'm not, but I know people who are, and they don't even like to use food flavorings or mouthwash w/alcohol in it.

Also, Yale Univ. researchers were lauded as wonderful in one topic here recently where they found something "good" about ecigs.

Yet in a topic a few weeks earlier, they were demeaned as a TCOR site who were only researching pimping themselves out. (when they found something not wonderful.)

To be honest I get WHIPLASH reading about research facilities that are good.....no wait, they're bad........no wait, they're good.......no wait, rhey're bad.

 

[Racehorse]

are these "college boys" trying to show us how stupid they think we are or how stupid they are.

Yes, higher education sucks doesn't it? Esp. the ones with advanced science and medical degrees. Getting an advanced degree, that takes you 8 years of hard work is a total waste of time, and anybody doing that must be an idiot, according to the anti education crowd.

 

[Racehorse]

BTW - What the Cluck is up with Yale? Are they vying for the Coveted Prize of being the Slant King of Bad Science? Dethroning UCSF.

Yes, I guess so: Surely this study is also BS, then, right?:
Yale study, youth ecig bans increase youth smoking

 

[MorpheusPA]

Hic! Who's worried?

Hic!

 

[Mazinny]

23.75% of 5ml is 1.1875ml, not that anyone could vape 5ml in 20 minutes or less. If they're impaired after 1ml of alcohol, I'd call that a cheap date.

Never mind the alcohol, how much flavoring does Virgin Vapor use if 23.75 % of the entire liquid is ethyl alcohol !?

 

[crxess]

Are any of you recovering alcoholics?

I'm not, but I know people who are, and they don't even like to use food flavorings or mouthwash w/alcohol in it.

Also, Yale Univ. researchers were lauded as wonderful in one topic here recently where they found something "good" about ecigs.

Yet in a topic a few weeks earlier, they were demeaned as a TCOR site who were only researching pimping themselves out. (when they found something not wonderful.)

To be honest I get WHIPLASH reading about research facilities that are good.....no wait, they're bad........no wait, they're good.......no wait, rhey're bad.

It is not the Univ. or the Test I have issue with. They can do their testing - Just be up front with Criteria. We can or can't take it apart accordingly. It is the Useless Press Propaganda and half-azzed connections I get fed up with.

Oh there is a Very high concentration of Alcohol(a natural extraction process) found in (1) Flavor. By the Way - xxx,xxx High School Teens tried e-cigs last year. WTH?

Did they All order a bottle of Natural Vanilla for their Cig-a-likes?

 

[Falconeer]

Cheers Mates from Sunny Spain!

http://i.imgur.com/A57caPnm.jpg

 

[Hulamoon]

Actually, I'm not quite getting it. What exactly constitutes "youth" in these studies? If the laws are now in place that purchasing tobacco or vaping products under the age of 18 - and now 21 for goodness sake - is illegal, shouldn't these nannies be pursuing these dreadful offenders?

 

[Falconeer]

White Cloud zero nic Champagne Flavour in the tank, cava in the glass - think I got them the right way round!

 

[Lessifer]

Never mind the alcohol, how much flavoring does Virgin Vapor use if 23.75 % of the entire liquid is ethyl alcohol !?

If I had to guess, about 23.75%. I think it was a single flavor liquid that they tested and 20-30% flavoring is not unheard of in commercial liquid, though it's on the higher end, especially since the sub Ω craze hit.

 

[Mazinny]

It is not the Univ. or the Test I have issue with. They can do their testing - Just be up front with Criteria. We can or can't take it apart accordingly. It is the Useless Press Propaganda and half-azzed connections I get fed up with.

Oh there is a Very high concentration of Alcohol(a natural extraction process) found in (1) Flavor. By the Way - xxx,xxx High School Teens tried e-cigs last year. WTH?

Did they All order a bottle of Natural Vanilla for their Cig-a-likes?

This.

It would be nice if the science and health reporters have enough of a scientific background, to be able to put studies in perspective, but how much traffic would those stories get ? Sensationalism sells.

Here's the CV for the writer of this article :

Dan Mangan

Reporter
Dan Mangan is a reporter covering health care and other issues for CNBC.com.

Mangan has been a journalist for more than 20 years, most recently as a general assignment/rewrite reporter at the New York Post.
In his more than dozen years at The Post, Mangan routinely covered major stories, including the 9/11 terror attacks, the Bernard Madoff Ponzi scheme, the 2008 financial meltdown and a slew of juicy Gotham scandals du jour ...

For those of you not familiar with the New York Post, here's an example of some of their headlines :

 

[Mazinny]

If I had to guess, about 23.75%. I think it was a single flavor liquid that they tested and 20-30% flavoring is not unheard of in commercial liquid, though it's on the higher end, especially since the sub Ω craze hit.

Is there nothing else besides ethyl alcohol in the flavoring ? Where does the vanilla taste come from ?

20-30 % seems a lot. I have just started to follow some FA diy threads, and very rarely do they have more than 7 % flavoring in the formulas, often far less.

 

[Lessifer]

Is there nothing else besides ethyl alcohol in the flavoring ? Where does the vanilla taste come from ?

If it's anything like vanilla extract used for cooking it's at least 35% alcohol and possibly much more, so maybe it was 30% flavoring. The number does seem high though. Of course we don't get to see any methodology in this article so who knows how accurate the testing was. Not inconceivable that they didn't shake the bottle and took a sample from the top.

I remember when science used to be about testing a hypothesis, with detailed methodology, so that others could repeat the experiment and confirm your results. I miss those days.

 

[Mazinny]

If it's anything like vanilla extract used for cooking it's at least 35% alcohol and possibly much more, so maybe it was 30% flavoring. The number does seem high though. Of course we don't get to see any methodology in this article so who knows how accurate the testing was. Not inconceivable that they didn't shake the bottle and took a sample from the top.

I remember when science used to be about testing a hypothesis, with detailed methodology, so that others could repeat the experiment and confirm your results. I miss those days.

Have you seen the actual study ? Do you have a link ? I would love to read about their methodology before forming an opinion, one way or another.

 

[Douggro]

Actually, I'm not quite getting it. What exactly constitutes "youth" in these studies? If the laws are now in place that purchasing tobacco or vaping products under the age of 18 - and now 21 for goodness sake - is illegal, shouldn't these nannies be pursuing these dreadful offenders?

Young people will somehow always have access to those things that they are not legally allowed to have. That they should not have it or questioning their avenue of supply is really a secondary and separate issue of the societal and enforcement variety. In that respect, it's not much different from asking the same group if they had consumed alcohol or other intoxicants, including illicit drugs. Determining frequency of use is a far more telling statistic though, rather than the "have you used X in the last month" question that seems to have been asked.

I used to get my cigs from a vending machine at a gas station. I was 12. Nobody said a thing nor seemed to give a whit. Go figure.

 

[Lessifer]

Have you seen the actual study ? Do you have a link ? I would love to read about their methodology before forming an opinion, one way or another.

Nope, nothing in the article pointing to the actual study, that I saw.

In fact, I didn't even see a mention that it was a PUBLISHED study, let alone where it was published. Which makes me wonder how this journalist was even aware of it.

That's kind of my point. It used to be that scientists would never go to the press, unless they had a confirmed finding.

 

[Hulamoon]

Young people will somehow always have access to those things that they are not legally allowed to have. That they should not have it or questioning their avenue of supply is really a secondary and separate issue of the societal and enforcement variety. In that respect, it's not much different from asking the same group if they had consumed alcohol or other intoxicants, including illicit drugs. Determining frequency of use is a far more telling statistic though, rather than the "have you used X in the last month" question that seems to have been asked.

I used to get my cigs from a vending machine at a gas station. I was 12. Nobody said a thing nor seemed to give a whit. Go figure.

Yes, me too. . I was just getting the impression that some studies referring to "our youth" could embrace anyone under 30!

 

[Douggro]

Yes, me too. . I was just getting the impression that some studies referring to "our youth" could embrace anyone under 30!

I cannot deny that I am getting long in the tooth and "kids" seems to apply to a much wider age group than it used to. But in the context of the studies that are being done/cited, "youth" is defined as those under the legal age.

One of my best days ever was getting carded for cigarettes at the local grocery store. I was just getting over the flu; felt and looked like crap. I was in my early 40's at the time. I thanked the clerk profusely for making me feel good while I was laughing and trying to cough-hack out part of a lung.